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[Merkel]

13 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

Burton's aesthetic absolutely works in live-action though. There's a reason Batman 1989 won the academy award for Best Art Direction. It's a unique and fascinating combination of both gothic and dystopian architecture that makes Gotham more of a character than it ever was in the 21st century movies. And how did the design choices make anything feel small? You seem to be conflating problems with the limitations of film production in the 1980s with the design choices.

 

I agree. If anything makes that production design feel small in way is due to technological limitations. 

 

I was always particularly fascinated by the Cathedral. It's one of the most beautiful ugly buildings I have ever seen:

 

[WittyUsername]

I personally prefer looking at a real city over a miniature set, but the respective Gothams of the Burton and Schumacher films are well crafted.

[Darth Lehnsherr]

Well as long as they do away with the idea of Metropolis and Gotham being sister cities like in BvS then that's fine.

Seeing as the Nolan films already had the "realistic" take on Batman down pat I would like to also see something more stylised too for Gotham.

[WittyUsername]

4 minutes ago, Darth Lehnsherr said:

Well as long as they do away with the idea of Metropolis and Gotham being sister cities like in BvS then that's fine.

Seeing as the Nolan films already had the "realistic" take on Batman down pat I would like to also see something more stylised too for Gotham.

It’s been all but explicitly stated that this movie won’t be in the continuity of the DCEU, so chances are that as far as it’s concerned, Metropolis doesn’t even exist. 

[dudalb]

On 7/16/2020 at 5:17 PM, excel1 said:

Nolan's realism of Gotham was needed after the insanity of the Schumacher films. Batman was not considered cool at all until Nolan redefined him. In doing so, after 3 extremely popular films, Nolan recreated the demand for a more creative version of the character. 

I like Nolan's Batman but this is sheer bullshit.

People still considered Batman cool, they just did not like "Batman and Robin" very much.

 

[excel1]

4 hours ago, dudalb said:

I like Nolan's Batman but this is sheer bullshit.

People still considered Batman cool, they just did not like "Batman and Robin" very much.

 

It is absolutely not bullshit. Batman Begins opening day and weekend grosses ranged from "bomb" to "disappointment". There was not sugar coating it.  

 

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/article/ed3396797444/

 

http://www.boxofficeguru.com/062005.htm

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB111923250139263805

 

SITH's opening day was bigger than Batman's entire weekend. It Batman Begins like 6 weeks to match Sith's first 4 days. There was very real concern that there would be no sequel. The following years Superman Returns, which actually had more money at the global box office than BEGINS and had a much more valid excuse for it's disappointment (box office behemoth Pirates 2 opened the following weekend and just crushed superman) yet that one did not receive a sequel. 

 

BEGINS had decent legs any the box office (though MR. AND Mrs. Smith and WILLY WONKA both had better legs in reality) and proved to be a monster on DVD and obviously the sequel promptly erupted at the box office (had Ledger not passed away & made the films awareness 100% 6 months before release, THE DARK KNIGHT is likely opens in the $90-100m range instead of the record crushing opening it had) but do not let it fool you. In 2005, Batman was considered lame. Spider-man was clearly king. 

 

Hell, even FANTASTIC FOUR had more impressive opening numbers than Batman Begins...

[SpiderByte]

On 7/16/2020 at 8:17 PM, excel1 said:

Nolan's realism of Gotham was needed after the insanity of the Schumacher films. Batman was not considered cool at all until Nolan redefined him. In doing so, after 3 extremely popular films, Nolan recreated the demand for a more creative version of the character. 

That's definitely a ton of horseshit. Batman has been DC's most popular character for decades, with comics, toys, cartoons, the Burton films, long before Nolan's films. The fucking company is named after the comic Batman first appeared in.

[WittyUsername]

Batman has been DC’s most profitable character since the mid to late 80s. He’s been seen as “cool” ever since Frank Miller started writing for him. With that said, the poor reception to B&R certainly did a number on his ability to sell people on a theatrical movie, but the character was still prominent in cartoons, merchandise and even commercials with OnStar. 

[SpiderByte]

Shit if anything Batman is too popular at DC, so much of what they make is Batman centric. Out of DC's 63 animated features, 28 Batman movies. Among the ones that aren't, 15 of them either star Batman or feature him.

[excel1]

I was speaking to his appeal to movie going audiences. It is obvious he was far from cool in 2005 

[The Panda]

On 7/18/2020 at 2:25 PM, excel1 said:

It is absolutely not bullshit. Batman Begins opening day and weekend grosses ranged from "bomb" to "disappointment". There was not sugar coating it.  

 

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/article/ed3396797444/

 

http://www.boxofficeguru.com/062005.htm

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB111923250139263805

 

SITH's opening day was bigger than Batman's entire weekend. It Batman Begins like 6 weeks to match Sith's first 4 days. There was very real concern that there would be no sequel. The following years Superman Returns, which actually had more money at the global box office than BEGINS and had a much more valid excuse for it's disappointment (box office behemoth Pirates 2 opened the following weekend and just crushed superman) yet that one did not receive a sequel. 

 

BEGINS had decent legs any the box office (though MR. AND Mrs. Smith and WILLY WONKA both had better legs in reality) and proved to be a monster on DVD and obviously the sequel promptly erupted at the box office (had Ledger not passed away & made the films awareness 100% 6 months before release, THE DARK KNIGHT is likely opens in the $90-100m range instead of the record crushing opening it had) but do not let it fool you. In 2005, Batman was considered lame. Spider-man was clearly king. 

 

Hell, even FANTASTIC FOUR had more impressive opening numbers than Batman Begins...

Ah yes, Batman and Robin is notoriously known as being the first Batman movie.  There were clearly no blockbuster hit Batman movies prior to Batman Begins, none at all.

Edited July 20, 2020 by The Panda

[excel1]

13 minutes ago, The Panda said:

Ah yes, Batman and Robin is notoriously known as being the first Batman movie.  There were clearly no blockbuster hit Batman movies prior to Batman Begins, none at all.

1) Where does my post say that?

2) How does this statement of yours undermine or negate anything I said? Implying anything other than Batman Begins borderline flopped on opening weekend due to the terrible sentiment from B&R is lunacy. 

[dudalb]

1 hour ago, The Panda said:

Ah yes, Batman and Robin is notoriously known as being the first Batman movie.  There were clearly no blockbuster hit Batman movies prior to Batman Begins, none at all.

Gee, I could have swore that a film called "Batman" was the #1 grosser in 1989...

[Hatebox]

The last couple of pages of this thread really took me back to mid-Noughties online Batman movie arguments. Thanks for the nostalgia hit everyone!

[cax16]

 

[cax16]

Make Batman an Xmas movie now that avatar moved. 

[grim22]

6 minutes ago, cax16 said:

Make Batman an Xmas movie now that avatar moved. 

Feels likely to happen.

[lorddemaxus]

Little Mermaid taking Dec 2021 I think.

[grim22]

4 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

Little Mermaid taking Dec 2021 I think.

At this point in time, it's kind of useless speculating about movie release dates for movies which haven't begun production because we don't have any idea about when movies which have actually finished production will come out.

[Maggie]

56 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

Little Mermaid taking Dec 2021 I think.

DUNE