The Acolyte: High Republic SW Disney+ Show, June 4th

[Knights of Ren]

Mando movie deserves to bomb.  It’s just LFL being lazy and playing it safe.  They have no idea what they are doing or how to produce SW. 

[Torontofan]

3 hours ago, Brainbug said:

Disney has one major problem with Star Wars since at least The Rise of Skywalker: A ton of Star War fans (for example, including me) think that Star Wars was just way better before Disney took over. The Sequel trilogy started strong with TFA, became incredibly divisive with TLJ and then became a meme with Rise of Skywalker (SOMEHOW PALPATINE IS BACK)

 

And the shows made it worse. Mandalorian Season 1 was amazing, Season was mostly good with an epic finale, but Season 3 tanked its momentum. The Boba Fett show was honestly trash (that insanely bad chase scene ...), the Obi-Wan show was just kind of ... there ... and even though Andor was great, Ahsoka was just meh. Cant comment personally on Acolyte as i havent seen it but its reception generally is obviously really bad and no, i dont believe that ALL people who dislike it are right-wing trolls, thats just a convenient excuse for the shows apparent failings.

I had very high hopes in the time when TFA came out. I think i was never so excited to be a Star Wars fan like back then. But Disney fumbled it. They had a golden cash cow and somehow forgot that in order to milk it, making consistently quality products must come first.

 

I will never say that the prequels are "good" movies (except for Revenge of the Sith), but now, i can appreciate them much more than 10 years ago. They "feel" like Star Wars to me when i watch them. When i watch the new stuff now, i just get sad.

 

All this rant here is just my opinion of course, if you enjoy the new Star Wars stuff then more power to you.

 

The prequels while a mess had a very direct story that the audience liked or interested in.

 

These new films seems to be made on a whiteboard on the spot.

 

TFA: Lets mystery box and do nostalgia

TLJ: Nothing in the TFA mattered, new direction

TROS: Nothing in TLJ mattered, back to past!

 

Edited August 22 by Torontofan

[PlatnumRoyce]

1 hour ago, filmlover said:

I wonder how the Mandalorian movie is going to fare at the box office because as of now I would definitely bet on a smaller total than Solo. The failure of The Marvels should've made it clear to everyone that no one is here for TV show/movie crossovers that require the viewer to do homework (and sign up for a Disney+ subscription). Wouldn't be surprised if that played a factor in WB's decision to cancel plans for a pair of spin-off shows in the same universe as The Batman as well.

I'll take the over because I think the problem there wouldn't be Mando, it's Ahsoka, Boba existing as both a bad new show and Mando 2.5, Acolyte, etc. "This movie is the capstone(/reunion project) of a tv show" projects have a pretty good track record. I just expect them to run away from the Filoniverse/Thrawn connected universe stuff they were teasing. 

 

The problem is that people didn't actually watch The Marvels and that they didn't want to be forced to keep up with random stuff. Just look at the success of High School Musical 3 or next generation spinoff movies. I don't think it's going to break the bank but I wouldn't bet against John Favreau and 250M-300M seems pretty plausible. Baby Yoda is actually something that can activate a more casual fan. 

 

[Arlborn]

21 hours ago, Torontofan said:

 

The prequels while a mess had a very direct story that the audience liked or interested in.

 

These new films seems to be made on a whiteboard on the spot.

 

TFA: Lets mystery box and do nostalgia

TLJ: Nothing in the TFA mattered, new direction

TROS: Nothing in TLJ mattered, back to past!

 

I completely agree.

 

Honestly, TFA was a better movie than any of the prequel movies, but the prequel trilogy as a whole just had a story to tell that was much more interesting than the 3 disjointed pieces that we unfortunately got with the newest trilogy in the end.

 

They were probably better off sticking with the safe nostalgia of TFA for the rest of the trilogy, much better than trying to hit the reset button with each of the other two movies anyway.

[Torontofan]

5 minutes ago, Arlborn said:

I completely agree.

 

Honestly, TFA was a better movie than any of the prequel movies, but the prequel trilogy as a whole just had a story to tell that was much more interesting than the 3 disjointed pieces that we unfortunately got with the newest trilogy in the end.

 

They were probably better off sticking with the safe nostalgia of TFA for the rest of the trilogy, much better than trying to hit the reset button with each of the other two movies anyway.

 

Likely will go down as the dumbest franchise decision ever to make a film based on nostalgia and then make a 2nd part saying the past dont matter. 

[WittyUsername]

I’m sure Lucasfilm will try to play things as safe as possible moving forward by sticking to the Favreau/Filoni model. 

[PlatnumRoyce]

6 hours ago, WittyUsername said:

I’m sure Lucasfilm will try to play things as safe as possible moving forward by sticking to the Favreau/Filoni model. 

Should we conflate Favreau/Filoni like this? Mando season 1 was "just make a high budget genre show with some modest lore content" while the later projects often feel like "let's make a live action adaptation of the Filoni animated tv universe" which isn't exactly the same dynamic. 

Edited August 23 by PlatnumRoyce

[Knights of Ren]

20 hours ago, WittyUsername said:

I’m sure Lucasfilm will try to play things as safe as possible moving forward by sticking to the Favreau/Filoni model. 

They’ve been swinging and missing also 

[Belakor]

The best case scenario is that Disney fires all the current Corpo-heads in Lucas Film, from Kathleen from the very last  of them.

 

[TwoMisfits]

On 8/19/2024 at 7:51 PM, CoolioD1 said:

ngl this show was mid but I kinda wanted to see where they was gonna take it anyway, especially with the manny jacinto character.

 

I finished the show - gave it a D+.

1st 6 episodes were a B-.  Last 2 were an F.

Only character alive at the end that I wanted to follow was Mr. Sith/Qimir - hopefully, he can turn up on another show in the era.  Anyone else I enjoyed was killed off (Jecki, Yord, Aniseya, and even Sol).

I hated the writing for Mae and Osha pretty much all season - Mae was a plot device that moved as the plot needed, and Osha was spectacularly unrealistic.  I don't blame the actress for impossible acting situations - who, supposedly good and moral, and yet without huge force powers til then, turns on a father figure of 16 years and kills him literally 30 seconds after finding out he lied while he does nothing to defend himself?  How can you even act that?

 

With so few characters around that I wanted to follow, I don't mind that this got canceled.  Where could Mae go next season, let alone Osha?  The only question would have been when Osha tried to kill Qimir to get to the real Sith lord...and I've seen that before...

Edited September 3 by TwoMisfits

[dudalb]

 Ii's a interesting debate; who messed up SW more, the George Lucas of the prequels or Disney.

The Lucas of 1999 was not the Lucas of the 70;s and early 80's;  his writing for the prequels was often lousy.

 I thought hearing the truly bad dialogue in AOTC "The guy who wrote "American Graffiti" wrote this crap?".

I had hopes Disney would bring more creativty to the films, but , sadly, they settled for what amounted to a remake of the original trilogy. Though , to give them credit, they did do some good stuff on Disney Plus. the first seasons of Mando was IMHO the best Star Wars stuff since ROTJ.

 

[dudalb]

On 8/23/2024 at 6:10 AM, Arlborn said:

I completely agree.

 

Honestly, TFA was a better movie than any of the prequel movies, but the prequel trilogy as a whole just had a story to tell that was much more interesting than the 3 disjointed pieces that we unfortunately got with the newest trilogy in the end.

 

They were probably better off sticking with the safe nostalgia of TFA for the rest of the trilogy, much better than trying to hit the reset button with each of the other two movies anyway.

Agreedm the prequels had an interesting story but were ruined by bad writing .

TFA was better done then TPM but both were remakes of ANH; IMHO they  have got to stop trying to make the new films just lile the original trilogy,

[dudalb]

On 8/21/2024 at 6:13 AM, Torontofan said:

Issue is even if you ignore the haters and racists, the show had poor ratings after first few episodes and a negative reception from most of the star wars fanbase.

 

You cant justify 200 million dollar shows pleasing a slim portion of your fanbase.

 

I am not sure you can justify a 200 Million budget for a TV show, period. There are reason why TV shows have never cost as much as theatrical movies.

[Torontofan]

3 hours ago, dudalb said:

I am not sure you can justify a 200 Million budget for a TV show, period. There are reason why TV shows have never cost as much as theatrical movies.

Maybe game of thrones season 8 maybe as that became a TV event.

[Daxtreme]

On 8/22/2024 at 7:50 AM, Brainbug said:

Disney has one major problem with Star Wars since at least The Rise of Skywalker: A ton of Star War fans (for example, including me) think that Star Wars was just way better before Disney took over. The Sequel trilogy started strong with TFA, became incredibly divisive with TLJ and then became a meme with Rise of Skywalker (SOMEHOW PALPATINE IS BACK)

 

And the shows made it worse. Mandalorian Season 1 was amazing, Season was mostly good with an epic finale, but Season 3 tanked its momentum. The Boba Fett show was honestly trash (that insanely bad chase scene ...), the Obi-Wan show was just kind of ... there ... and even though Andor was great, Ahsoka was just meh. Cant comment personally on Acolyte as i havent seen it but its reception generally is obviously really bad and no, i dont believe that ALL people who dislike it are right-wing trolls, thats just a convenient excuse for the shows apparent failings.

I had very high hopes in the time when TFA came out. I think i was never so excited to be a Star Wars fan like back then. But Disney fumbled it. They had a golden cash cow and somehow forgot that in order to milk it, making consistently quality products must come first.

 

I will never say that the prequels are "good" movies (except for Revenge of the Sith), but now, i can appreciate them much more than 10 years ago. They "feel" like Star Wars to me when i watch them. When i watch the new stuff now, i just get sad.

 

All this rant here is just my opinion of course, if you enjoy the new Star Wars stuff then more power to you.

 

This so very much this.

 

I was the biggest Star Wars fan growing up, I destroyed the tape of my Episode 4 VHS copy because I watched it too much as a kid. I know every line of the movie by heart. 

 

I don't care anymore. Lucasfilm completely destroyed my passion for Star Wars by making shitty films and TV shows, Andor notwithstanding. It's honestly shameful and it used to break my heart, but I just don't care anymore. 

 

I had some hopes with The Acolyte that we would be getting something new and interesting, and even though every fiber of my being wanted to like it—I love the setting and I want a KOTOR movie goddamnit, why don't we have one?!?! Where is it Lucasfilm?—ultimately The Acolyte is... mediocre. No soul. Made by committee, it looks cheap, the writing is nonsensical. Again. You'd think they'd have learned by now, but no.

 

Why?

 

Guess it's harder to make good stuff than a lot of people think. It's not like they're intentionally making bad media. It just happens.

 

Edited October 17 by Daxtreme

[dudalb]

18 hours ago, Torontofan said:

Maybe game of thrones season 8 maybe as that became a TV event.

Questin is would that have been an event even if they had a smaller budget? THe audience was hooked by that time.

But anyway, spending that much on almost every streaming series..which was what Marvel and Disney were doing for a while..is simply not possible without taking a loss. 

[dudalb]

11 hours ago, Daxtreme said:

 

This so very much this.

 

I was the biggest Star Wars fan growing up, I destroyed the tape of my Episode 4 VHS copy because I watched it too much as a kid. I know every line of the movie by heart. 

 

I don't care anymore. Lucasfilm completely destroyed my passion for Star Wars by making shitty films and TV shows, Andor notwithstanding. It's honestly shameful and it used to break my heart, but I just don't care anymore. 

 

I had some hopes with The Acolyte that we would be getting something new and interesting, and even though every fiber of my being wanted to like it—I love the setting and I want a KOTOR movie goddamnit, why don't we have one?!?! Where is it Lucasfilm?—ultimately The Acolyte is... mediocre. No soul. Made by committee, it looks cheap, the writing is nonsensical. Again. You'd think they'd have learned by now, but no.

 

Why?

 

Guess it's harder to make good stuff than a lot of people think. It's not like they're intentionally making bad media. It just happens.

 

I think the dilemna with SW is that they have mined the classic SW stuff as much as they can; and now to the casual viewer fan recylcing the same stuff over and over again with only minor variations has become tiresome.

But if they try new stuff, a lot of the hardcore fans don't like it 'It';s not Star Wars" etc.

Maybe they need to leave behing the simplistic "Goodguys/Badguys " and get more complex like Game of Thrones did with good and evil in every faction; but that would alienate a lot of the old time fans who love the black/white aspects of it; they have real problems on their hands.

Or maybe it is just past it's prime. I can see an 007 scenario for it; the films are still popular but they don't dominate the box office like they once did.