SHANG-CHI WEEKEND THREAD | NO SPOILERS | 75.38M 3-Day, 94.67M 4-Day. Record for Labor Day! | Tony Leung saved the theater! | Get Vaccinated and Wear a mask.

[Jamiem]

Me coming in here and realising there is already doom posting/meltdowns about movies moving before we even get any numbers.

 

 

I'll be back once we get preview numbers in the 8-10m range. 

[grey ghost]

1 hour ago, john2000 said:

Ow doesnt matter all that much shang will almost certainly will have a lower ww opening than bw ...however legs will probably be a lot better

 

I think if I'm Disney I'd prefer a 200m OW over a 120m OW. Especially when the profit margin is higher for PA.

Edited September 2, 2021 by grey ghost

[dudalb]

And new Joker in the deck with Ida wreaking havoc in the Northeast,the uS most licrative market for movies.

[grey ghost]

1 hour ago, CoolioD1 said:

been watching a lot of shaw brothers movies recently. hoping to check out the panda express version of those in the cinemas tomorrow. will only be my second trip to the movies this year after f9.

 

I recommend 8 Diagram Pole Fighters, Dirty Ho and Crippled Avengers.

 

These are not porn titles, I assure you.

[Plain Old Tele]

3 hours ago, Cmasterclay said:

Well you guys know I'm not much a fan of superhero fandom or the whole cinematic universe craze (fine with plenty of the individual films), but this weekend I'm a full blown MCU stan. Venice and Telluride are happening right now, and there's so many mid-sized adult films like Last Duel, Soho, Dune, and more that I want to see on big screen, not to mention the indies and the Netflix movies they show at my local Gateway theater. But for that to happen, for that wonderful fall to be a reality, we need theaters to be open. We need tentpoles to succeed in order to make the theatrical model viable. If the big movies don't bring in enough money, theaters will close again and everything will be sent to 2022 and streaming. And that would really hurt alot of the joy of life, especially for us vaccinated folks. We need Shang Chi to do 60m three day for things to feel confident enough to stick in their dates. 60m probably means Venom, Ghostbusters, Encanto, and Spider-Man stay, and Halloween doesn't go to Peacock. And if the big releases stay, the medium and small releases stay with them. So if you like any movies in theaters, not just MCU ones but all of them, we need this movie to be a hit. So do your patriotic duty and see Shang Chi this weekend. Or hell, even buy tickets and gift them to a friend in need.

 

And so ends my overdramatic post.

I mean, I think (aside from horror and Oscar hopefuls that need qualifying runs) I think the non-tentpole theatrical experience is basically dead — and nothing SHANG CHI does really changes that. 

[Cmasterclay]

11 minutes ago, Plain Old Tele said:

I mean, I think (aside from horror and Oscar hopefuls that need qualifying runs) I think the non-tentpole theatrical experience is basically dead — and nothing SHANG CHI does really changes that. 

Sad

[TwoMisfits]

15 minutes ago, Plain Old Tele said:

I mean, I think (aside from horror and Oscar hopefuls that need qualifying runs) I think the non-tentpole theatrical experience is basically dead — and nothing SHANG CHI does really changes that. 

 

Now, there's some doom and gloom...

 

Again, I disagree b/c subscriber bases must be made happy, and it takes both tentpoles and non-tentpoles to keep them happy.  And subscriber bases are the current movie theater support (heck, it's gonna be my son's Xmas gift if we ever get out of Covid b/c we also meet the bill of going often enough for Cinemark subscribership to be worth it:)...

 

And Disney already knows this plan of expensive and not expensive material, putting What If out as an MCU series after 3 big budget MCU series - sometimes, you don't need expensive home runs - you need cheap singles to carry folks over to the next home run.

 

AKA - A tentpole a month with nothing else doesn't work...a tentpole a month with some low and midbudget movies of differing types does...

[Plain Old Tele]

2 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:

 

Now, there's some doom and gloom...

 

Again, I disagree b/c subscriber bases must be made happy, and it takes both tentpoles and non-tentpoles to keep them happy.  And subscriber bases are the current movie theater support (heck, it's gonna be my son's Xmas gift if we ever get out of Covid b/c we also meet the bill of going often enough for Cinemark subscribership to be worth it:)...

 

And Disney already knows this plan of expensive and not expensive material, putting What If out as an MCU series after 3 big budget MCU series - sometimes, you don't need expensive home runs - you need cheap singles to carry folks over to the next home run.

 

AKA - A tentpole a month with nothing else doesn't work...a tentpole a month with some low and midbudget movies of differing types does...

TV series and movies are two very different animals. The current idea from the major studios seems to be “tentpoles for theaters, spin-off series for streaming” — which doesn’t really do anything except exacerbate the situation. When the studios start making and theatrically exhibiting lots of non-tentpoles, maybe we can revisit, but at this point that seems like the far-distant past. 
 

Meanwhile, the streamers are at least embracing the concept of making/buying/distributing a range and variety of movies… it’s unfortunate that they aren’t pushing for more theatrical exhibition (though there seem to be hints that might change, in part).

 

But I don’t see anything coming out this year (or the next, or beyond) that suggests the studios have any intent of making anything other than home-run swings (aside from perhaps kiddie content, though even that is heavily franchised at this point and almost exclusively animation now). 

[CoolioD1]

Patty's right. (Even if I'd include her own streaming movie from last year in this assessment). 90% of the stuff Netflix puts out looks like a fake trailer you'd see in a real movie. I just saw the red notice trailer. c'mon, that doesn't really exist. you can't convince me.

[HouseOfTheSun]

3 hours ago, titanic2187 said:

Which means, Northeast region, one of the most wealthiest region in USA, are completely unprepared for a category 3, 4, or 5 hurricane. This should be rectified once and for all , if not we will New York become a new orleans in Katrina.   

What exactly do you expect anyone to do about massive rain dumps leading to flooding? build a dome around the entire eastern seaboard? These are natural disasters for a reason. 

[Plain Old Tele]

7 minutes ago, CoolioD1 said:

Patty's right. (Even if I'd include her own streaming movie from last year in this assessment). 90% of the stuff Netflix puts out looks like a fake trailer you'd see in a real movie. I just saw the red notice trailer. c'mon, that doesn't really exist. you can't convince me.

With attitudes like Jenkins’, maybe it’s better for the “theatrical movies” to just die. 

[HouseOfTheSun]

7 minutes ago, CoolioD1 said:

Patty's right. (Even if I'd include her own streaming movie from last year in this assessment). 90% of the stuff Netflix puts out looks like a fake trailer you'd see in a real movie. I just saw the red notice trailer. c'mon, that doesn't really exist. you can't convince me.

I wish WW1984 didn’t exist 

[Plain Old Tele]

1 minute ago, HouseOfTheSun said:

What exactly do you expect anyone to do about massive rain dumps leading to flooding? build a dome around the entire eastern seaboard? These are natural disasters for a reason. 

US infrastructure is generally old and/or broken, both in need of repairs and huge adjustments given climate change. Like, maybe you could work on your drainage system, NYC. 

[Cmasterclay]

10 minutes ago, CoolioD1 said:

Patty's right. (Even if I'd include her own streaming movie from last year in this assessment). 90% of the stuff Netflix puts out looks like a fake trailer you'd see in a real movie. I just saw the red notice trailer. c'mon, that doesn't really exist. you can't convince me.

Has anyone ever explained why all the streaming movies have such terrible lighting and look the way they do? It's almost uniform across the streamers, but Netflix the worst of course.

[junkshop36]

Would really like to se Shang Chi but unfortunately that pesky little hurricane Ida came right out asses lol

[Plain Old Tele]

11 minutes ago, Cmasterclay said:

Has anyone ever explained why all the streaming movies have such terrible lighting and look the way they do? It's almost uniform across the streamers, but Netflix the worst of course.

There’s a huge range of quality in all the streaming movies and it seems really reductive to paint them all with a single brush (IMO). 

[TwoMisfits]

Just now, Plain Old Tele said:

There’s a huge range of quality in all the streaming movies and it seems really reductive to paint them all with a single brush (IMO). 

 

It is hard to get the public talking about them, though...since they are available all the time to everyone, folks all see it and then forget about it after a few days...

 

It would be fascinating if a streamer ever offered "Free Friday night 7pm showings" for 5-7 movies each weekend, and then pulled them til the next weekend with another showing of the top 3 and some new ones (and putting the least popular right to streaming)...and continued with the pattern before giving them away all the time...maybe then they'd get lasting discussion?

[AJG]

7 minutes ago, Plain Old Tele said:

There’s a huge range of quality in all the streaming movies and it seems really reductive to paint them all with a single brush (IMO). 

 

It does stand out when it comes to sequels and reboots. Coming to America 2 looked lifeless compared to the first. She's All That looked like a Disney Channel Original. The first movie looked like an actual movie. 

Edited September 2, 2021 by AJG

[Plain Old Tele]

5 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:

 

It is hard to get the public talking about them, though...since they are available all the time to everyone, folks all see it and then forget about it after a few days...

 

It would be fascinating if a streamer ever offered "Free Friday night 7pm showings" for 5-7 movies each weekend, and then pulled them til the next weekend with another showing of the top 3 and some new ones (and putting the least popular right to streaming)...and continued with the pattern before giving them away all the time...maybe then they'd get lasting discussion?

Yeah, I don’t know the solution (other than spending a lot on marketing to gain awareness). Your idea is cool, though.

[Cmasterclay]

12 minutes ago, Plain Old Tele said:

There’s a huge range of quality in all the streaming movies and it seems really reductive to paint them all with a single brush (IMO). 

I agree, and frankly a couple of my best friends work in big roles for two prominent streaming companies (not Netfilx), so I obviously don't want to shit on their work. But I just cannot get into watching a movie at home on a mediocre TV. I think perhaps if I had a better television and audio set-up, and I made a committed effort to lock my phone and laptop in another room so I didn't look at them, perhaps I could enjoy streaming films. But even then, you lose the crowd reactions and the previews and the water cooler talk (they all get buried, as TwoMisfits said). IDK, I'm a liberal and working-class guy who is generally all for expanding access in most things in the world, but I get weirdly elitist and anti-access when it comes to movies. I just think the theater, while a luxury, is an essential and irreplaceable part of American culture and public life. We are already getting too distant from each other.