Disney+ MCU: Agatha: Coven of Chaos | Kathryn Hahn will return

[Spidey Freak]

2 hours ago, Daxtreme said:

 

That makes zero sense. The show has been released since Sept. 18th. They've had plenty of time to talk about it.

 

The truth is, few people care. But so far I think it's good, surprisingly.

 

Judging Agatha interest by BOT interest makes no sense lmao. There's LOTS of chatter on Twitter, though much of it is Wanda centric based on the reveals in the premiere episodes, so Wanda was trending. The true signifier were the 2500+ viewer ratings on RT versus the measly 500+ for Penguin. For comparisons with a non-CBM, "biggish" show, Shogun has 1000+ ratings.

 

Also the numbers for the Aubrey Plaza and Patti Lupone Hot Ones video is closing in fast on the Glen Powell and Daisy Edgar-Jones one despite being out for just 13 days, so there's definitely interest. Fortunately though, it's not attracting the level of haterade as an Acolyte. Interested to see where the premiere ranked amongst MCU show starts in viewer numbers.

Edited September 23 by Spidey Freak

[dudalb]

I  am in the 

6 hours ago, ChipDerby said:

I was terrified by the first half of the first episode. And then realized what was happening and the bad overacting was purposeful. Ever since the flip happened, it's actually been great. Hahn is excellent.

WIthink two minutes I knew thissegment  was baiscally like the sit coms in Wandavision,. except it was a cop show.

I am really enjoying this. I like  it's clear the just about every big fantasy/magic based movie or TV shows is going to get kidding  in this. They worked in a Wizard of Oz reference in the first minute (" Most Sincerly  Dead"). And you know the Potter  witching universe is going to get big time kidding.

 

The whole cast is good, And Hahn got a chance to show her musical talents..she has done a lot of musical theater...with 'The Witching Road Ballad*)

 It is different then your typical CB Series, which is why some CBM fans here have problem siwht it Same old story: Fanboys claim they want somehting new and different, but it you give it to them they don't like it.

It probably won't happen in this series, but sooner or later Agatha is going to  run into Stephan Strange.

And Hahn's 'Babies Are Delicioius" line cracked me up.

Hahn is yet another Northwestern ALumni; No doubt, Northwestern deserves it reputation as having the best theater program in the US.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 23 by dudalb

[dudalb]

1 hour ago, Spidey Freak said:

 

Judging Agatha interest by BOT interest makes no sense lmao. There's LOTS of chatter on Twitter, though much of it is Wanda centric based on the reveals in the premiere episodes, so Wanda was trending. The true signifier were the 2500+ viewer ratings on RT versus the measly 500+ for Penguin. For comparisons with a non-CBM, "biggish" show, Shogun has 1000+ ratings.

 

Also the numbers for the Aubrey Plaza and Patti Lupone Hot Ones video is closing in fast on the Glen Powell and Daisy Edgar-Jones one despite being out for just 13 days, so there's definitely interest. Fortunately though, it's not attracting the level of haterade as an Acolyte. Interested to see where the premiere ranked amongst MCU show starts in viewer numbers.

Maybe people thing it's a better show then Acoluyte.

Lapone is incredible . I had a chance to see her live in "Sweeny Todd" and she was amazing.

[Daxtreme]

2 hours ago, Spidey Freak said:

 

Judging Agatha interest by BOT interest makes no sense lmao. There's LOTS of chatter on Twitter, though much of it is Wanda centric based on the reveals in the premiere episodes, so Wanda was trending. The true signifier were the 2500+ viewer ratings on RT versus the measly 500+ for Penguin. For comparisons with a non-CBM, "biggish" show, Shogun has 1000+ ratings.

 

Also the numbers for the Aubrey Plaza and Patti Lupone Hot Ones video is closing in fast on the Glen Powell and Daisy Edgar-Jones one despite being out for just 13 days, so there's definitely interest. Fortunately though, it's not attracting the level of haterade as an Acolyte. Interested to see where the premiere ranked amongst MCU show starts in viewer numbers.

 

Yeah wanda remains a highly popular character despite the fact that the last movie she starred in got mixed reviews. 

 

After the BO crash of The Marvels, Wanda is arguably the MCU's most popular female character right now (counting out Black Widow as she's already been replaced). If they bring her back, well it'd be a smart move I think.

[dudalb]

3 hours ago, Daxtreme said:

 

Yeah wanda remains a highly popular character despite the fact that the last movie she starred in got mixed reviews. 

 

After the BO crash of The Marvels, Wanda is arguably the MCU's most popular female character right now (counting out Black Widow as she's already been replaced). If they bring her back, well it'd be a smart move I think.

Of course Wanda is coming back. That is a given. You don't think signed a long term contract with Elizabeth Olsen just for the fun of it?

[Daxtreme]

10 hours ago, dudalb said:

Of course Wanda is coming back. That is a given. You don't think signed a long term contract with Elizabeth Olsen just for the fun of it?

 

I wasn't aware that she signed a contract. When was that? I know she said she'd be open to coming back in an interview though, but that's it.

[Thanos Legion]

Show has been good so far, as expected. Getting acceptable chatter/reception, key will be holding quality and building buzz in midseason

[dudalb]

10 hours ago, Daxtreme said:

 

I wasn't aware that she signed a contract. When was that? I know she said she'd be open to coming back in an interview though, but that's it.

DIsney signs almost all of it's stars to long contracts with options to extend. SOP in the film business when franchsie charecters are invovled.

[dudalb]

Fun third episode. 

Agatha is beginning to be more sympathiteic, she actully show fear and some compassion toward others in this episode

And anyboyd else pick up on the  Mephisto reference? In the MCU, these kind of references usually are the start of a build up to a new major villian or hero coming into the MCU.

[Spidey Freak]

Woo hoo. Just less than a million below Loki S2 premiere. Let's good!

Edited September 28 by Spidey Freak

[PlatnumRoyce]

6 hours ago, Spidey Freak said:

Woo hoo. Just less than a million below Loki S2 premiere. Let's good!

You've fallen victim to anecdata. Loki had 10.9 views across 3 days and this is a 6 day anecdote. https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/loki-premiere-numbers-disney/

 

To try and find a quick comparison, Luminate has Ahsoka e1 at 280M minutes through day 3 and ~160M in the next 3 days. So let's assume Loki S2E1 increased by 50% from day 3 to day 6 for an apples to apples hyper rough estimate of 16M "views" for Loki at day 6.

 

Honestly, I think this is  somewhat low number for a big marvel show but it's also playing on a much lower budget level and is clearly getting good reception from its target audience.

Edited September 28 by PlatnumRoyce

[Welcbr12]

1 hour ago, PlatnumRoyce said:

You've fallen victim to anecdata. Loki had 10.9 views across 3 days and this is a 6 day anecdote. https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/loki-premiere-numbers-disney/

 

To try and find a quick comparison, Luminate has Ahsoka e1 at 280M minutes through day 3 and ~160M in the next 3 days. So let's assume Loki S2E1 increased by 50% from day 3 to day 6 for an apples to apples hyper rough estimate of 16M "views" for Loki at day 6.

 

Honestly, I think this is  somewhat low number for a big marvel show but it's also playing on a much lower budget level and is clearly getting good reception from its target audience.

 

https://variety.com/h/most-watched-streaming-originals-movies-tv-shows/

 

Luminate numbers are pretty ok tbh

[PlatnumRoyce]

34 minutes ago, Welcbr12 said:

 

https://variety.com/h/most-watched-streaming-originals-movies-tv-shows/

 

Luminate numbers are pretty ok tbh

At bare minimum that's a very good viewership increase. Doing some rough mental math it really seems like people were finding the show on day 3, 4, 5, etc. and getting caught up instead of being there on day 1.

[Thanos Legion]

Underwhelming debit makes a lot of sense with how D+ shows have been. WV is still the best and this is tapping into some nostalgia for that, I think it will grow/hold stronger than usual and put up solid final viewership numbers especially compared to budget.

 

but that will all depend on remaining good so no guarantees of course

[KnightofNight237]

 

4 hours ago, Cooper Legion said:

Underwhelming debit makes a lot of sense with how D+ shows have been. WV is still the best and this is tapping into some nostalgia for that, I think it will grow/hold stronger than usual and put up solid final viewership numbers especially compared to budget.

 

but that will all depend on remaining good so no guarantees of course

 

Yeah i'd say based on budget Disney will have been quite happy with this performance, less than $40 Million for an MCU project sounds crazy to think.

[Spidey Freak]

10 hours ago, PlatnumRoyce said:

At bare minimum that's a very good viewership increase. Doing some rough mental math it really seems like people were finding the show on day 3, 4, 5, etc. and getting caught up instead of being there on day 1.

 

Yeah, I personally watched the premiere episodes on Thursday night and the latest one on Friday night so this is not going to have the same kind of fanboy rush right off the gate like most MCU projects

[SpiderByte]

It also doesn't star leads of any of the films which probably helps. Ironheart will probably cost more though since it's much more vfx intensive.

[dudalb]

On 9/28/2024 at 2:35 PM, KnightofNight237 said:

 

 

Yeah i'd say based on budget Disney will have been quite happy with this performance, less than $40 Million for an MCU project sounds crazy to think.

Marvel is going to be spendng a lot less on the live action Marvel shows. That is a given.

[Spidey Freak]

Forbes calling the debut a hit based on the show's low budget

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/09/28/agatha-all-along-is-a-hit-thanks-to-its-lowest-ever-mcu-budget/

[PlatnumRoyce]

slight quibble - I think the "significantly cheaper than any other MCU tv show budget" takeaway (which is clearly coming from Disney) is more likely to be that Echo had a bigger budget than they initially admitted than the idea that Agatha's budget was pushing into the 20M range. It filmed in early 2022 so before the Marvel tv freakout and its actual rollout was used to send damage control messages about how you didn't actually have to watch some smaller MCU shows. Wikipedia says the show encountered significant reshoots/restructuring which all obviously cost money. 

The 40M number for Echo appears to come from Forbes blogger Paul Tassi which is fine but it's not backstopped by anything. I haven't seen Echo but does that make conceptual sense considering what the pre-meddling budget would have been? Something like 40M apparently seems possible-ish for Agatha (I don't have a great sense of this) but I think the Echo budget is being used as too strong of an anchor given Disney's incentives to downplay costs.