Weekdays Thread 11/8-11/11 | Thu - Eternals $6.24m +48% - Clifford $3.28m +43% - Dune $1.23m +48% - NTTD $0.99m +50% - Venom $0.69 +85%

[von Kenni]

15 hours ago, Krissykins said:

That doesn’t seem that bad for Eternals. Standard big Monday drop for recent new releases. 

 

Too early to predict from the Monday drop but if it follows Venom's track like with the Monday drop it'll end up having 2.3xOW ~ $160m run. However, I'd expect it to have slightly better legs due to the older demos not rushing to see it frontloaded.

 

14 hours ago, SpiderByte said:

It'll still take a couple more days to see but it does seem like the audience reception has bouyed it a bit more even with a lower cinemascore.

 

How much do cinemascores really affect at the box office?

 

Interstellar had B+ and it still had 4xOW run. I think in the Eternals case it being different attracts people to see it with a longer tail even if it had a mixed reception with the audience, especially that not so fanatic MCU GA & older demos that can wait until seeing it. Hence slightly better legs than Venom even if the first week would follow Venom's pattern.

[Liiviig 1998]

52 minutes ago, von Kenni said:

 

Too early to predict from the Monday drop but if it follows Venom's track like with the Monday drop it'll end up having 2.3xOW ~ $160m run. However, I'd expect it to have slightly better legs due to the older demos not rushing to see it frontloaded.

 

 

How much do cinemascores really affect at the box office?

 

Interstellar had B+ and it still had 4xOW run. I think in the Eternals case it being different attracts people to see it with a longer tail even if it had a mixed reception with the audience, especially that not so fanatic MCU GA & older demos that can wait until seeing it. Hence slightly better legs than Venom even if the first week would follow Venom's pattern.

Why do poeple do this ?

 

Nolan movies typically have low Cinemascores . Batman movies are different bse they have a preexisting fan base.

Inception which is even better received than interstellar got a B.

 

Ideal comps are superhero genre.

[Liiviig 1998]

What the postrak breakdown for above 35 ,I see poeple referencing it may  attract adults .

 

Poeple trying to put this in joker and Logan  calliber  which were tailor made for adult audience right from their marketing and both still got B+ and A- CS higher than eternals seems odd.

 

 

[von Kenni]

31 minutes ago, Liiviig 1998 said:

Why do poeple do this ?

 

Nolan movies typically have low Cinemascores . Batman movies are different bse they have a preexisting fan base.

Inception which is even better received than interstellar got a B.

 

Ideal comps are superhero genre.

 

22 minutes ago, Liiviig 1998 said:

What the postrak breakdown for above 35 ,I see poeple referencing it may  attract adults .

 

Poeple trying to put this in joker and Logan  calliber  which were tailor made for adult audience right from their marketing and both still got B+ and A- CS higher than eternals seems odd.

 

 

So basically the answer to "do they matter for box office" is not really? Or in superhero genre there is a huge difference between B, B+, A-?

[Valonqar]

WOWS got C or C+ CS. Behold the legs:

 

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl3447424513/weekend/?ref_=bo_rl_tab#tabs

 

Just sayin that A+ CS doesn't automatically produce Avatar/Titanic legs nor B and C cause an automatic crash. 

[Liiviig 1998]

1 hour ago, Valonqar said:

WOWS got C or C+ CS. Behold the legs:

 

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl3447424513/weekend/?ref_=bo_rl_tab#tabs

 

Just sayin that A+ CS doesn't automatically produce Avatar/Titanic legs nor B and C cause an automatic crash. 

Once again context matters. WOWS was a pretty controversial for it's vulgarity, succession syndrome x2 by that I mean having unlikable characters doing really bad things. It's one that would definitely turn off some of the audience.

[von Kenni]

Tue Nov 9th updating as coming in...

 

		Movie	Distr	Gross	%YD	%LW	Thr	Per Thr	Total Gross	D
1	(1)	Eternals	Walt Disney	$5,250,371	+23%		4,090	$1,284	$80,809,675	5
2	(2)	Dune	Warner Bros.	$801,184	+22%	-62%	3,546	$226	$85,574,263	19
3	(3)	No Time to Die	United Artists	$664,150	+26%	-37%	3,007	$221	$144,199,735	33
4	(4)	Venom: Let There be Carnage	Sony Pictures	$331,225	+10%	-48%	2,640	$125	$197,639,024	40
5	(-)	The French Dispatch	Searchlight …	$316,206	+19%	-18%	1,205	$262	$9,033,894	19
6	(-)	Last Night in Soho	Focus Features	$228,280	+24%	-57%	3,016	$76	$8,052,360	12
7	(-)	Antlers	Searchlight …	$204,117	+10%	-49%	2,800	$73	$7,966,678	12
-	(-)	Ron’s Gone Wrong	20th Century…	$162,224	+1%	-68%	2,650	$61	$17,874,203	19
-	(-)	Halloween Kills	Universal	$146,530	-7%	-65%	3,098	$47	$90,004,430	26
-	(-)	Shang-Chi and the Legend …	Walt Disney	$75,097	+7%	-50%	440	$171	$223,991,488	68
-	(-)	The Addams Family 2	United Artists	$69,676	-2%	-77%	1,807	$39	$55,075,129	40
-	(-)	The Last Duel	20th Century…	$16,777	+2%	-82%	220	$76	$10,545,550	26
-	(-)	Free Guy	20th Century…	$4,280	-8%	-60%	185	$23	$121,507,663	89
-	(-)	Jungle Cruise	Walt Disney	$1,973	+10%	-51%	75	$26	$116,948,107	103
-	(-)	Dear Evan Hansen	Universal	$1,185	+3%	-83%	220	$5	$14,950,400	47
-	(-)	Candyman	Universal	$950	-45%	-77%	123	$8	$61,184,250	75
-	(-)	Becoming Cousteau	Picturehouse	$481	+151%	-91%	15	$32	$231,165	19
		17		$8,274,706

Edited November 10, 2021 by von Kenni

[CobbFC09]

 

Edited November 10, 2021 by CobbFC09

[titanic2187]

12 minutes ago, CobbFC09 said:

 

Nov 8, 2021	2	$656,723	-69%	-62%	3,546	$185	$84,773,079	18
Nov 9, 2021	-	$801,184	+22%	-62%	3,546	$226	$85,574,263	19

 

Also Monday, obviously last week was boosted by Election day. 

[AJG]

1 hour ago, Liiviig 1998 said:

Once again context matters. WOWS was a pretty controversial for it's vulgarity, succession syndrome x2 by that I mean having unlikable characters doing really bad things. It's one that would definitely turn off some of the audience.

I'm also pretty sure it was polled around Christmas day. It's a bad example for cinemascore comparison.

[von Kenni]

14 minutes ago, CobbFC09 said:

 

If that's true then Monday was $0.66m -69.1% / LW -62.3%. It's okay and on bar with NTTD's drops/bumps on its 3rd week but not as extra strong as last week so the IMAX/PLFs drop might be showing more there than last weekend. A good bump on Tuesday +21.2% from Monday.

[keysersoze123]

Weekdays will be strong this week. Tuesday you get usual boost with discount tickets. Wednesday evenings will be boosted as thursday is veteran's day and thursday BO will be heavily boosted. So dont expect much of a friday increase(if there is any at all). 

 

Of course last time Veteran's day fell on a thursday was 2009 when BO was different. Let us see how rest of the week goes. 

[Liiviig 1998]

1 hour ago, von Kenni said:

 

So basically the answer to "do they matter for box office" is not really? Or in superhero genre there is a huge difference between B, B+, A-?

CS affects genres differently

 

Anything below A- for animations or family movies is bad. Children are generally easy to please.

 

Anything below B+ for superhero genre and general blockbusters is bad. Eternals shares the same CS with bvs another though Wom is not those levels of bad. A- is a low score on the MCU gradient, this dropped two places below that .

 

R rated usually anything above B+  is good. But ofcorse this can depend . WOWS got CS in the CS and legged pretty well. Dead pool movies come in As which is pretty rare . It's really hard for r rated to go beyond A-. Then we have instances like joker and BOP both had B+ but joker legged out and BOp had meh legs. 

R rated CS vs legs has a lot of variables involved.

 

Horrors generally tend to affect audiences differently, some may not scare much then some like can take it to the extreme (hereditary (D) but had good legs. F is bad . Anything in D+ can be fine but it has a lot of variables.

 

Then of course special cases like nolan that tend to have legs despite most CS coming in the B/B+. His movies outside the batman movies always have low OW ,there is no fan rush for his movies, His movies are oftenly heady and can require multiple viewings. Tenet would have been 600-700m grosser in normal times despite all it's issues, the man puts butts in seats.

[jma22]

9 minutes ago, von Kenni said:

If that's true then Monday was $0.66m -69.1% / LW -62.3%. It's okay and on bar with NTTD's drops/bumps on its 3rd week but not as extra strong as last week so the IMAX/PLFs drop might be showing more there than last weekend. A good bump on Tuesday +21.2% from Monday.

-62% last week... I thought weekdays would be sub 50% after the good hold of the last weekend with the loss of imax, etc..

[Liiviig 1998]

9 minutes ago, keysersoze123 said:

Weekdays will be strong this week. Tuesday you get usual boost with discount tickets. Wednesday evenings will be boosted as thursday is veteran's day and thursday BO will be heavily boosted. So dont expect much of a friday increase(if there is any at all). 

 

Of course last time Veteran's day fell on a thursday was 2009 when BO was different. Let us see how rest of the week goes. 

Dr strange and thor ragnarok which had veteran's day on Friday and Saturday respectively both had bumps on Thursday (18.4%) (14.2%) and had inflated weekend's

Dr strange 42m(-49%) then dropped -58.7% the following weekend (17.7m)

Thor ragnarok 57m(-53.5%) then dropped 62%(21.6m)

 

TDW V day fell on Monday .it dropped 57% the coming weekend and 61% the weekend after that .

 

Find it sort of bizarre V day affects weekends like this.

 

Could eternals follow suit dropped lower than expected this weekend but drop bigger next weekend.

[von Kenni]

13 minutes ago, jma22 said:

-62% last week... I thought weekdays would be sub 50% after the good hold of the last weekend with the loss of imax, etc..

Yeah, for that and the extra strong last week's weekdays, I was too expecting sub 60% Monday drop and sub 50% LW. Well, at least we have numbers coming in, and again, it's on bar with NTTD which isn't a bad thing due to Bonds usually having good legs (..doesn't sound right) and it is a theatrical exclusive release.

[von Kenni]

Luiz knows always to throw a good positive spin for Dune.

 

 

 

[Valonqar]

44 minutes ago, Liiviig 1998 said:

CS affects genres differently

 

Anything below A- for animations or family movies is bad. Children are generally easy to please.

 

Anything below B+ for superhero genre and general blockbusters is bad. Eternals shares the same CS with bvs another though Wom is not those levels of bad. A- is a low score on the MCU gradient, this dropped two places below that .

 

R rated usually anything above B+  is good. But ofcorse this can depend . WOWS got CS in the CS and legged pretty well. Dead pool movies come in As which is pretty rare . It's really hard for r rated to go beyond A-. Then we have instances like joker and BOP both had B+ but joker legged out and BOp had meh legs. 

R rated CS vs legs has a lot of variables involved.

 

Horrors generally tend to affect audiences differently, some may not scare much then some like can take it to the extreme (hereditary (D) but had good legs. F is bad . Anything in D+ can be fine but it has a lot of variables.

 

Then of course special cases like nolan that tend to have legs despite most CS coming in the B/B+. His movies outside the batman movies always have low OW ,there is no fan rush for his movies, His movies are oftenly heady and can require multiple viewings. Tenet would have been 600-700m grosser in normal times despite all it's issues, the man puts butts in seats.

 

This is great! Thanks. Now I understand better. 

[Elessar]

45 minutes ago, jma22 said:

-62% last week... I thought weekdays would be sub 50% after the good hold of the last weekend with the loss of imax, etc..

 

When we look at NTTD, it dropped 22% on the weekend but the monday week-to-week drop was 38%. So it seems it's less a movie specific factor and more like this week's weekdays just seem to do worse relative to the weekend compared to the week before, for all movies, due to "market conditions".

Edited November 10, 2021 by Elessar

[narniadis]

Everyone is also forgetting that last Tuesday was election day in many areas including the New York Metro area. Election holidays impact box office in a positive way but always looks bad the following week. 

The family films will look especially harsh week over week today.