May 13-15 Weekend Thread | 67.4% drop for Doctor Strange 2

[Bigscrubnus]

4 minutes ago, eddyxx said:

Is Top Gun 2 getting released in China? Somehow I don’t see them being on board with the movie’s themes. 

It was banned a while ago

[eddyxx]

20 hours ago, Gavin Feng said:

The DL guy is full of bullshit...

 

 

Perhaps he was using a more classical definition of great.

 

of an extent, amount, or intensity considerably above the normal or average.

"the article was of great interest"

 

 

[Liiviig 1998]

1 hour ago, Gigii said:

I hope you guys consider the first marvel arc only had to introduce 4 characters before the team up. Then several iterations, new characters and multiple team ups before the finale. It took 10 years to complete the story. 
 

We’ve barely had a complete calendar year without the effect of COVID. Yet you guys complain about the box office. We now have the television shows the give more depth to the side characters yet you guys complain that no answers are given. Let’s wait another year or two before we start beating at Feige’s door. 

Nah shows just feel rushed and fumble the execution For the most part. 

 

WV and moon knight atleast had a properly realized  vision though the finales were a bit rushed and got reduced to cgi third acts.

 

FaWT didnt know what it wanted it to be tbh, sam rising to the role of CA,  Wintersolidier dealing with trauma, mechanics of the post blip world, racial politics to mention but a few and none were given ample development . nonsencial villian and a finale that has got to be the worst piece of mcu content ive seen imo.

 

loki is the literal definition of style over substance. loki turns from outright villian to being sentimental in one episode  just because he so his future in and thats all. cant believe their best idea for two lokis  is turning them into a generic romance after one day. timeline plot is convuluted and contradicted parts of the infinity saga, TVA are terrible villians and are so dumb for poeple who control time and have infinity stones in their drawers.

some good acting ,visuals and ideas here but they are put down by an incredibly lazy script. originally liked it enough to give it a 7/10 but on rewatch its was really lacking.

 

What if was fun enough but nothing special.

 

hawkeye was fun, liked kate bishop and this show didnt take itself too seriously and try to be pretentious as TFaWS and loki . finale was dissapointing though.

 

This shows have introduced way too many plotlines without ample development. 

Edited May 16, 2022 by Liiviig 1998

[eddyxx]

19 hours ago, ringedmortality said:

 

Also, weren't we told we didn't have to watch the TV shows in order to understand the movies. Didn't Feige say that.

Yeah but he also said Disney plus is the first time that a marvel series will impact what happens in the films lol. Stuff like characters introduced in the series just appearing in films and vice versa. 

[Legion Again]

I think it was really quite obvious as far back as SDCC 2019 that the shows were on the same tier of interconnectedness as the movies. What “you don’t need to watch the shows to understand the movies” means is the same as e.g. you don’t need to watch ant-man to understand CW, you don’t need to watch DS1 to understand Ragnarok, you don’t need to watch Gotg2 to understand IW…

[Liiviig 1998]

13 minutes ago, DS2HaterLegion Confirmed said:

I think it was really quite obvious as far back as SDCC 2019 that the shows were on the same tier of interconnectedness as the movies. What “you don’t need to watch the shows to understand the movies” means is the same as e.g. you don’t need to watch ant-man to understand CW, you don’t need to watch DS1 to understand Ragnarok, you don’t need to watch Gotg2 to understand IW…

That kind of interconnectedness was fine and managable. DS2 broke that rule and made WV viewing intergral to understand chunks of the movie. Was honestly suprised fiege Let it happen, he is usually strict on such issues.

Edited May 16, 2022 by Liiviig 1998

[Legion Again]

1 minute ago, Liiviig 1998 said:

That kind of interconnectedness was fine and managable. DS2 broke that rule and made WV viewing intergral to understand chunks of the movie. Was honestly suprised fiege Let it happen, he is usually strict on such issues.

I think DS2 did a notably poor job of explaining things so that people who hadn’t seen WV understood what was going on and felt emotional stakes corresponding to a believable motivation and character evolution.   
 

On the other hand it did a notably poor job of explaining things so that people who had seen WV understood what was going on and felt emotional stakes corresponding to a believable motivation and character evolution. So… I guess that’s a pass?

[Legion Again]

Lag double post

Edited May 16, 2022 by DS2HaterLegion Confirmed

[filmlover]

6 minutes ago, Liiviig 1998 said:

That kind of interconnectedness was fine and managable. DS2 broke that rule and made WV viewing intergral to understand chunks of the movie. Was honestly suprised fiege Let it happen, he is usually strict on such issues.

Was that his choice, or Disney's? Cause it's been well-established that they want to drive up the number of D+ subscriptions by any means necessary.

[Valonqar]

D+ shows just aren't very good and the big reason is that Marvel saves the big stuff for movies. So shows are made with the notion that they are basically lesser stuff, a filler. It doesn't help that already thin plot (since nothing important/big can happen) is stretched into 6 episodes or so. OTOH, TV is full of great shows to rival movie quality so D+ ones pale in comparison. Why would casual viewers be hooked on mediocre filler if they can watch actual great shows that are not affraid to tell important and exciting stories? 

 

IMO, they should use D+ for characters that they don't plan to appear in movies and give them good standalone stories. Instead of this vaguely connected to movies filler crap. 

Edited May 16, 2022 by Valonqar

[Wormow]

3 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

D+ shows just aren't very good and the big reason is that Marvel saves the big stuff for movies. So shows are made with the notion that they are basically lesser stuff, a filler. It doesn't help that already thin plot (since nothing important/big can happen) is stretched into 6 episodes or so. OTOH, TV is full of great shows to rival movie quality so D+ ones pale in comparison. Why would casual viewers be hooked on mediocre filler if they can watch actual great shows that are not affraid to tell important and exciting stories? 

 

IMO, they should use D+ for characters that they don't plan to appear in movies and give them good standalone stories. Instead of this vaguely connected to movies filler crap. 

 

And so far these movies disregard or repeat the same story beats from the show anyway - like WandaVision, and comments from the writers of Cap 4 have me worried they're doing the same with FATWS and Cap 4.

 

Moon Knight is a limited series so seems like we're going to spend another story where he figures out he has a third personality.

[Valonqar]

1 minute ago, Wormow said:

 

And so far these movies disregard or repeat the same story beats from the show anyway - like WandaVision, and comments from the writers of Cap 4 have me worried they're doing the same with FATWS and Cap 4.

 

Moon Knight is a limited series so seems like we're going to spend another story where he figures out he has a third personality.

 

Well said. It's recycling the same only with bigger budget in cinema. 

[filmlover]

The run of D+ shows has definitely been disappointing so far. Hard to tell if it's because of Feige and friends are new to working with the multiple episode TV format or if it's because they now have to juggle like 10 projects a year instead of 3 like before, but the pacing is so uneven. Hope they weren't expecting the Emmys to embrace the MCU after the Oscars have mostly failed to because WandaVision is probably the only one that's ever going to receive much love from them like it did (both because it was the first of these and also because it was Emmy catnip with the recreation of different eras of Emmy-winning sitcoms) at this rate.

[Valonqar]

Funny thing about WV success with Emmys is that WV wasn't Marvel's awards pony. It was FATWS. WV was experimental. But it caught on while FATWS fizzled. It's not the first time in this Phase that they bet on the wrong awards pony. Remember "they are in disbelief what they got on their hands"? 

Edited May 16, 2022 by Valonqar

[Legion Again]

Yeah with 6 shows out now (and neither of the next two looking likely to be home runs ( 🤞 but just being realistic)) it’s clear that some larger changes need to be made to their tv approach. If they can’t pace 6 eps well, gotta figure out an alternative to the 6 ep default.   
 

I am curious how the Halloween and Xmas specials will be received, that is one potentially interesting alternative (1 ep content chunks). 

[eddyxx]

16 hours ago, Bigscrubnus said:

Damn, Top Gun is going to kneecap the crap out of this and then JWD will take out whatever’s left

Top Gun and Jw:

 

[ringedmortality]

1 minute ago, Valonqar said:

Funny thing about WV success with Emmys is that WV wasn't Marvel's awards pony. It was FATWS. WV was experimental. But it caught on while FATWS fizzled. It's not the first time in this Phase that they bet on the wrong awards pony. Remember "they are in disbelief what they got on their hands"? 

 

I don't know about that. WV was pretty clearly made with awards in mind.

[filmlover]

2 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

Funny thing about WV success with Emmys is that WV wasn't Marvel's awards pony. It was FATWS. WV was experimental. But it caught on while FATWS fizzled. It's not the first time in this Phase that they bet on the wrong awards pony. Remember "they are in disbelief what they got on their hands"? 

Still tickles me that Don Cheadle was nominated in Guest for what was basically a 30 second cameo. I know the Emmys love him and all but lol.

[Factcheck]

29 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

D+ shows just aren't very good and the big reason is that Marvel saves the big stuff for movies. So shows are made with the notion that they are basically lesser stuff, a filler. It doesn't help that already thin plot (since nothing important/big can happen) is stretched into 6 episodes or so. OTOH, TV is full of great shows to rival movie quality so D+ ones pale in comparison. Why would casual viewers be hooked on mediocre filler if they can watch actual great shows that are not affraid to tell important and exciting stories? 

 

IMO, they should use D+ for characters that they don't plan to appear in movies and give them good standalone stories. Instead of this vaguely connected to movies filler crap. 

MCU is a connected storyline universe they can't do that, even if lead character of a show don't appear in movies his/her storyline will be connected to some movie.

[eddyxx]

On the subject of Emmy’s, I think Oscar Isaac could pick up a Emmy nom for best actor in a limited series. He gave a great performance in episode 5 and it helps that they are calling it limited and not a full series so easier chance of getting nominated.