BO Germany/Austria: Dune 2 fine 2nd weekend

[Taruseth]

7 minutes ago, Aristis said:

2nd Trend:

 

Geheimnis 725k (-22%/-30%)

Joker 225k (-43%)

Zombieland2 150k

Maleficent2 90k (-49%)

Addams Family 70k (-52%)

Terminator 55k (-53%)

So Joker was over predicted a bit as was Geheimnis, none the less, now Joker is exactly at where I thought it would need to be for 4M (even though I had hopes for a little higher weekend), so I still think it will get to 4M but I doubt much past that.

Geheimnis with that 2nd weekend still barely would have the 2nd biggest 2nd weekend this year.

 

 

[Giesi]

How are pre-sales looking for TROS?

[Taruseth]

54 minutes ago, Giesi said:

How are pre-sales looking for TROS?

Depends, but overall I'd say pretty good. Haven't taken a detailed look though and haven't counted at any cinema, mostly because I have no comps out that far, though if I find the time I most likely will just compare it to final sales.

[Brainbug]

9 hours ago, Giesi said:

How are pre-sales looking for TROS?

 

Compared to TLJ at my theater, its very close, but not as amazing. Still very very good though.

[Taruseth]

3rd trend is rather awful:

Geheimnis: 675k (-27%)

Joker: 195k (-51%) 

Recep Ivedik 6: 140k

Zombieland: 130k

Maleficent: 75k (-57% ouch)

Addams Family: 70k (-52%)

Dark Fate: 50k (-57%)

Lara: 37.5k

Midway: 35k

IwnniNY: 32.5k (-57%)

Parasite: 27.5k (-40%)

Shaun: 25k (-63%)

 

Mhh, makes getting much past 4M harder for both.

 

[Brainbug]

2 hours ago, Taruseth said:

3rd trend is rather awful:

Geheimnis: 675k (-27%)

Joker: 195k (-51%) 

Recep Ivedik 6: 140k

Zombieland: 130k

Maleficent: 75k (-57% ouch)

Addams Family: 70k (-52%)

Dark Fate: 50k (-57%)

Lara: 37.5k

Midway: 35k

IwnniNY: 32.5k (-57%)

Parasite: 27.5k (-40%)

Shaun: 25k (-63%)

 

Mhh, makes getting much past 4M harder for both.

 

 

Ah, Germany back at beeing Germany again.

[Feanor]

Das Perfekte Geheimnis has now passed the 2M mark in terms of admissions

[IndustriousAngel]

Germany's Top20 last weekend:

	title	adm.	th.	PTA	total adm.	total €	drop	week
1	Das perfekte Geheimnis	684.809	769	891	1.958.412	17.517.863	-26	2
2	Joker	200.923	670	300	3.496.812	32.427.620	-49	5
3	Recep Ivedik 6	147.257	119	1.237	147.257	1.276.513	-	1
4	Zombieland 2	115.659	343	337	150.548	1.270.074	-	1
5	Maleficent 2	83.149	445	187	902.854	8.782.805	-52	4
6	The Addams Family	70.274	536	131	372.830	2.759.513	-52	3
7	Terminator - Dark Fate	49.440	491	101	383.587	3.543.174	-58	3
8	Midway	36.988	356	101	36.988	348.638	-	1
9	Ich war noch niemals in New York	35.371	443	80	450.396	3.900.924	-53	4
10	Lara	33.242	83	401	41.321	332.288	-	1
11	Shaun the Sheep 2	29.542	586	50	782.479	5.303.877	-56	7
12	Parasite	27.993	146	192	252.489	2.216.141	-40	4
13	Bayala	23.332	383	61	127.677	858.371	-51	3
14	Der letzte Bulle	22.242	155	143	33.559	270.886	-	1
15	Abominable	19.658	403	49	536.340	3.810.943	-50	7
16	Angry Birds 2	19.434	360	54	725.369	5.086.449	-53	8
17	7. Kogustaki Mucize	19.218	95	202	244.614	2.132.282	-66	5
18	Dora and the Golden City	16.497	325	51	250.222	1.701.509	-56	5
19	Systemsprenger	16.091	360	45	485.652	3.185.676	-28	8
20	Haunt	12.106	232	52	78.922	661.208	-74	2

Ok weekend but with steeper drops than expected. At this rate, Joker might yet miss the 4mil total mark (still, what a success!).

Next weekend: The Irishman, Last Christmas, Ford vs Ferrari, Booksmart, Black And Blue, My Zoe, plus some more - a LOT of releases but #1 should be very very safe with the domestic comedy. Among openers, the christmas comedy is probably the biggest hope for a new #2.
 

Edited November 12, 2019 by IndustriousAngel

[Aristis]

The Thursday estimates from InsideKino see another great drop for the local Geheimnis (66k, -21% from LW estimates) and again a rather mediocre hold for Joker (16k, -38% from LW estimates).

Combined with a bit better numbers from the other report Geheimnis should get to 60k+ (-20% from LW Thursday actual) and maybe 550k WE (applying same IM as LW). Joker would indeed reach around 16k and 125k WE.

 

As for Geheimnis that would be great, it just needs 565k+ for the best 3rd WE of the year. But I hope Joker might do more than that...

Edited November 14, 2019 by Aristis

[Aristis]

10 hours ago, Aristis said:

The Thursday estimates from InsideKino see another great drop for the local Geheimnis (66k, -21% from LW estimates) and again a rather mediocre hold for Joker (16k, -38% from LW estimates).

Combined with a bit better numbers from the other report Geheimnis should get to 60k+ (-20% from LW Thursday actual) and maybe 550k WE (applying same IM as LW). Joker would indeed reach around 16k and 125k WE.

 

As for Geheimnis that would be great, it just needs 565k+ for the best 3rd WE of the year. But I hope Joker might do more than that...

Thursday actuals:

 

Geheimnis 62k // €550k / $605k (-19%)

Joker 17k // €150k / $165k (-35%)

Last Christmas 13,5k // €110k / $120k

Le Mans 66 11k // €105k / $115k

 

 

Edited November 15, 2019 by Aristis

[Aristis]

1st Trend:

 

Geheimnis 575k (-16%) 2,74M - biggest 3rd WE of the year topping TLK 565k

Last Christmas 150k

Joker 140k (-30%) 3,69M

Le Mans 66 105k

Zombieland 2 95k (-18%/-37%) 275k

Recep Ivedik 6 75k (-49%) 255k

Edited November 15, 2019 by Aristis

[Aristis]

Monday numbers:

There weren't much changes over the WE frame

 

Geheimnis 580k (-15%) 2,74M - biggest 3rd WE of the year, topping TLK 565k

Joker 142,5k (-29%) 3,7M

Last Christmas 130k (160k i.P.)

Le Mans 66 / FvF 95k (110k i.P.)

Recep Ivedik 6 92,5k (-37%) 272,5k

Zombieland 2 90k (-22%/-40%) 272,5k

Maleficent 2 60k (-28%) 980k

Addams Family 60k (-14%) 440k

 

The Top10 are down 28% compared to one year ago (FB2 opens to 995k). I hope F2 this week changes that...

[IndustriousAngel]

Germany's Top20 last weekend:

	title	admissions	th.	PTA	total adm.	total €	drop	week
1	Das perfekte Geheimnis	586.966	790	743	2.747.556	24.486.079	-14	3
2	Joker	145.354	630	231	3.699.370	34.283.193	-28	6
3	Last Christmas	128.823	490	263	169.872	1.422.891	-	1
4	Recep Ivedik 6	95.877	127	755	275.665	2.347.098	-35	2
5	Ford vs. Ferrari	92.826	362	256	109.596	1.058.911	-	1
6	Zombieland 2	91.745	380	241	273.545	2.315.598	-21	2
7	The Addams Family	62.165	555	112	442.617	3.252.888	-12	4
8	Maleficent 2	61.927	443	140	983.203	9.517.410	-26	5
9	Lara	30.415	99	307	89.815	727.117	-9	2
10	Shaun the Sheep 2	29.934	553	54	814.667	5.510.780	+1	8
11	Ich war noch niemals in New York	25.920	422	61	491.810	4.241.698	-27	5
12	Terminator - Dark Fate	25.000	329	76	424.758	3.913.060	-49	4
13	Parasite	23.984	157	153	288.803	2.532.015	-14	5
14	Angry Birds 2	20.366	313	65	747.448	5.235.127	+5	9
15	Abominable	19.071	359	53	556.619	3.945.640	-3	8
16	Midway	17.844	344	52	69.554	637.040	-52	2
17	Bayala	16.817	290	58	147.033	988.176	-28	4
18	Systemsprenger	16.300	313	52	519.932	4.061.031	+1	9
19	7. Kogustaki Mucize	14.581	70	208	264.964	2.309.733	-24	6
20	Dora and the Golden City	13.868	282	49	265.300	1.801.837	-16	6

Nive overall weekend, no big openers but beautiful holds and even increases for family releases. The domestic comedy scored the highest 3rd weekend of the year, perfect WOM obviously.

Next weekend: The big opener is Frozen2, presales look a bit lackluster but that's perfectly normal for family fare. #1 should be no problem but can it get to 1mil OW? With a target demo that young, frontloadedness will be a smaller factor than with other releases - otoh you'd be hard pressed to spot a girl NOT wearing and/or using some Frozen merchandise, this must be the most-merchandised title in recent history. However it opens, this will work its way up the 2019 charts throughout December …

A completely different audience gets targeted by Doctor Sleep which might become #2 (especially as it will eat into Joker's demo …)

[Aristis]

17 hours ago, IndustriousAngel said:

Next weekend: The big opener is Frozen2, presales look a bit lackluster but that's perfectly normal for family fare. #1 should be no problem but can it get to 1mil OW? With a target demo that young, frontloadedness will be a smaller factor than with other releases - otoh you'd be hard pressed to spot a girl NOT wearing and/or using some Frozen merchandise, this must be the most-merchandised title in recent history. However it opens, this will work its way up the 2019 charts throughout December …

A completely different audience gets targeted by Doctor Sleep which might become #2 (especially as it will eat into Joker's demo …)

Everything less than 1M would be disappointing to me (especially since it's 5-day). But I hope for 4-day 1M+...

 

As for Doctor Sleep: It won't become 2nd - Geheimnis is still very strong. The best it might hope for is 3rd, and seeing the results in other countries even that isn't safe... Also it opens in only 330 theaters.

[IndustriousAngel]

28 minutes ago, Aristis said:

As for Doctor Sleep: It won't become 2nd - Geheimnis is still very strong. The best it might hope for is 3rd, and seeing the results in other countries even that isn't safe... Also it opens in only 330 theaters.

Sorry my mistake, of course I meant #3

[Aristis]

Frozen opened to 572k (654k i.P.) in 629 theaters and went on to 4,77M admissions - an awesome multipler of more than 8x.

 

Biggest CGI animation:

Nr.			Admissions	€	Theatres	OWeek
1	Finding Nemo		8.839.084	46.360.180	1.049	2.588.509	20.11.2003
2	Ice Age 2		8.747.671	48.754.480	1.111	3.612.053	06.04.2006
3	Ice Age 3		8.709.881	56.530.290	875	2.248.629	01.07.2009
4	Ice Age		7.299.318	39.212.946	875	2.174.580	21.03.2002
5	Minions		6.945.769	57.929.442	803	1.353.739	02.07.2015
6	Madagascar		6.720.790	35.110.604	861	2.000.100	14.07.2005
7	Ice Age 4		6.700.208	52.041.305	825	1.497.726	02.07.2012
8	Ratatouille		6.116.087	34.026.400	860	1.232.969	03.10.2007
9	Madagascar 2		6.070.690	34.544.335	841	1.793.367	04.12.2008
10	The Lion King		5.532.461	50.819.752	769	1.379.689	17.07.2019
11	Shrek 2		5.322.586	27.920.179	895	1.815.591	01.07.2004
12	Frozen 1		4.766.871	35.762.932	791	778.397	28.11.2013
13	Despicable Me 3		4.651.715	37.923.183	782	1.245.812	06.07.2017
14	Madagascar 3		3.973.140	30.542.221	748	1.102.554	02.10.2012
15	Tangled		3.936.183	31.140.234	612	731.080	09.12.2010

http://www.insidekino.de/DJahr/Dcgi.htm

 

Frozen still has the 9th biggest 5th WE and Week (down just 6% from OW and OWeek)

5th WE   WE Theaters     1 967.139 809 Titanic 98 2 800.703 662 TLK 94 3 636.281 648 Aladdin 93 4 598.175 738 Avatar 10 5 582.867 1.152 HP1 01 6 575.886 645 Jurassic Park 93 7 566.862 768 Intouchables 12 8 555.368 1.070 LOTR1 02 9 540.149 791 Frozen 1 13 10 529.804 868 ID 96

5th Week   Week Theaters     1 1.304.338 809 Titanic 98 2 1.054.262 662 TLK 94 3 861.418 1.152 HP1 01 4 832.417 648 Aladdin 93 5 816.879 738 Avatar 10 6 778.191 645 Jurassic Park 93 7 762.943 768 Intouchables 12 8 742.477 671 Manitu 01 9 734.196 791 Frozen 1 13 10 721.385 1.070 LOTR1 02

 

And the 8th biggest 6th WE

6th WE
	WE	Theaters
1	853.614	808	Titanic	98
2	787.035	1.152	HP1	01
3	593.283	665	Avatar	10
4	548.991	671	TLK	94
5	478.577	769	Intouchables	12
6	437.179	507	Schindlers List	94
7	433.915	647	Jurassic Park	93
8	401.666	750	Frozen 1	13
9	389.831	994	Finding Nemo	03
10	379.659	504	Home Alone	91

http://www.insidekino.de/DJahr/DBOWochenrekorde.htm

 

Frozen 2 opens in 743 theatres now. Funny thing that I just saw, Finding Nemo opened the same day 16 years ago (20.11.2003) - that has to be a good sign

 

[Taruseth]

Wednesday evening and night showings:

CineStar Bremen

3D 20:00: 69 / 572

2D 19:30: 154 / 425

Total: 223 / 997

 

CinemaxX Bremen

OV 3D 19:30: 29 / 297

3D 20:00: 36 / 342

3D 23:00: 4 / 342

Total: 69 / 981

 

Cinestar Metropolis Frankfurt

2D 19:30: 134 / 624

3D OV 20:00: 111 / 344

3D 20:15: 80 / 642

3D 22:15: 13 / 624

3D OV 22:45: 4 / 344

Total: 342 / 2578

 

Total: 634 / 4556

 

 

I know, that I had planned and I think even wrote it, to count Frozen 2, but I didn't have the time to count, so here is a quick count for the 3 normal cinemas  - the difference between CinemaxX and Cinestar in Bremen is kinda worrying.

But Wednesday should be the second weakest day of the opening weekend (tomorrow should be the weakest)

[Aristis]

MarkG from InsideKino wrote that first numbers indicate the OD for Frozen2 could top TLK (with 70% of the country having holiday compared to 20% now). TLK opened to 208k so we should have 200k+.

 

Top OD 2019:

A:EG 462k

TLK 208k

F2 200k+

Geheimnis 165k (after 120k previews)

Joker 140k (after 100k previews)

CM 125k

IT2 100k (after 40k previews)

 

Edited November 20, 2019 by Aristis

[Poseidon]

Frozen 2 might be on its way to double the first ones opening. 

 

I hope this fall is able to change something in the heads of german audiences in the long run. 

[Taruseth]

18 minutes ago, Aristis said:

MarkG from InsideKino wrote that first numbers indicate the OD for Frozen2 could top TLK (with 70% of the country having holiday compared to 20% now). TLK opened to 208k so we should have 200k+.

 

Top OD 2019:

A:EG 662k

TLK 208k

F2 200k+

A:EG was 462k.

 

200k sounds really good, who had holiday apart from Saxony though?

Like it should have a shot at a 1M 4-day opening and hopefully a total close to the first.

 

Edited November 20, 2019 by Taruseth