BO Germany/Austria: Dune 2 fine 2nd weekend

[Aristis]

So with that hold from Bully (-44%) 2M has probably gone (I still had a slim hope). Will probably land about 1,85M.

 

As for It, I have high hopes that It could be (at least a slim) breakout. It really could become the biggest King movie (or TOP3).

 

1	00	2,1M	The Green Mile
2	80	2,0M	Shining
3	89	1,7M	Pet Sematary
4	87	1,4M	Stand By Me
5	92	1,0M	Sleepwalkers

(from IK)

 

I think It should top TGM for the biggest Opening Week (460k). I think It could open to over 500k (weekend) and then make it to 2M (just my opinion though). However I'm really excited for this movie

[IndustriousAngel]

2nd estimates look better across the board; still a boring weekend but at least the trend is pointing upwards!

[Aristis]

3rd Trend

 

Most movies are stable. Big increase for Happy Family (50k/-26%) and DM3 (35k/-42%) with that trend. Annabelle has a great hold again (65k/-29%), it still didn't fell 30%+ if that holds. It'll cross 500k (Annabelle1 had 469k).

Edited September 17, 2017 by Aristis

[IndustriousAngel]

those Annabelle holds are really far out, both the first one and Annabelle 2 are much leggier than any other horror releases. Strange, maybe some different marketing?

[el sid]

3 hours ago, IndustriousAngel said:

those Annabelle holds are really far out, both the first one and Annabelle 2 are much leggier than any other horror releases. Strange, maybe some different marketing?

Hard to say because I did not not see much marketing at all (but maybe I missed it). I saw a little bit of internet advertisement but otherwise almost nothing. It's probably the good WOM (although the reactions on moviewebsites don't look overwhelming). Or/and it's the big credit the films have because of the Conjuring-connection. For me, that helped a lot to make me want to see it. But I'm mostly a fan of horror films and even liked the first one, so it could be that I'm not objective enough.
 

I'm curious how "It" will do here. The giant success in the USA will, better said has caused a lot more interest. My prefered cinema, the mathäser, gives "It" four showtimes (two are normal for bigger films) on Wednesday the 27th and the reservations look really good (about the half of the seats are already occupied in the biggest cinema hall). 

Edited September 17, 2017 by el sid

[Aristis]

Monday numbers:

 

High Society 125k/152,5k
Bully 105k/1,645M -41%
Circle 77,5k/235k -22%/-37%
mother! 70k
Logan Lucky 70k/100k
American Made 65k/250k -42%/-53%
Annabelle2 62,5k/510k -31% (seems like it's a 30%+ drop, but still great - passed Annabelle1. Will pass 600k, 28% abobe the first)
Happy Family 47,5k/315k -30%
Pfefferkörner 40k -29%/-37%
DM3 35k/4,45M -42% (will end between 4,5M and 4,6M)
Bodyguard 32,5k -46%
Griessnockerl 32,5k/740k -26% (This movie is a great Box Office Story )
Emoji 22,5k -39%
Ostwind 22,5k -41%
Jugend 22,5k -37%

 

InsideKino

 

The weekend had bad weather but this didn't really help... I do not want to imagine what admissions would have been with better weather... Time for the German Box Office to wake up! Next weekend Kingsman and Ninjago will hopefully do more than 200k each (for Kingsman I have hopes it could maybe do even more than 300k ).

[Aristis]

As for It: I have heard that it has some funny parts (and funny is always good for Germans ). I will be the first time that I'll see a real horror movie in cinema (World War Z wasn't horror). I really think this could be big!

I didn't find a list of the highest OW for Horror movies, but the biggest shoul be FSK16. So maybe this list has them: http://www.insidekino.de/DJahr/DBOStartrekord16.htm

If I am Legend (1,07M) and Scary Movie (850k) aren't Horror than maybe Scream3 is the biggest with 749k? It should be able to do more than WWZ (505k)...

 

Cars3 will probably be the movie for people who are afraid of It I have the feeling that it could open higher than Ninjago...

[titanic2187]

22 hours ago, el sid said:

Hard to say because I did not not see much marketing at all (but maybe I missed it). I saw a little bit of internet advertisement but otherwise almost nothing. It's probably the good WOM (although the reactions on moviewebsites don't look overwhelming). Or/and it's the big credit the films have because of the Conjuring-connection. For me, that helped a lot to make me want to see it. But I'm mostly a fan of horror films and even liked the first one, so it could be that I'm not objective enough.
 

I'm curious how "It" will do here. The giant success in the USA will, better said has caused a lot more interest. My prefered cinema, the mathäser, gives "It" four showtimes (two are normal for bigger films) on Wednesday the 27th and the reservations look really good (about the half of the seats are already occupied in the biggest cinema hall). 

but I dont supposed german like horror, their gross for horror like conjuring 1,2 and Annabelle , tends to make about half of france.....so how is the performance of IT in france could suggest IT's prospect in germany.... 

[IndustriousAngel]

Germany's Top20 last weekend:

	title	admissions	th.	PTA	total adm.	total €	drop	week
1	High Society	124.559	418	298	151.897	1.275.247	-	1
2	Bullyparade	104.598	698	150	1.653.262	13.348.404	-41	5
3	The Circle	76.387	332	230	234.193	1.935.238	-24	2
4	Logan Lucky	70.308	358	196	100.723	776.648	-	1
5	mother!	69.895	350	200	69.895	646.238	-	1
6	American Made	64.764	490	132	234.029	1.967.384	-42	2
7	Annabelle 2	61.647	468	132	512.681	4.574.164	-32	4
8	Happy Family	47.214	622	76	319.365	2.290.841	-30	4
9	Die Pfefferkörner und der Fluch …	40.819	491	83	113.165	735.866	-27	2
10	Despicable Me 3	35.346	513	69	4.458.906	735.866	-41	11
11	The Hitman's Bodyguard	33.586	490	69	247.262	2.124.254	-44	3
12	Grießnockerlaffäre	32.904	398	83	747.536	5.873.648	-25	7
13	Ostwind 3	23.323	530	44	1.019.303	6.835.903	-38	8
14	Emoji	23.321	462	50	606.670	4.372.241	-37	7
15	Jugend ohne Gott	22.076	325	68	156.598	1.229.686	-39	3
16	Bigfoot Junior	17.897	427	42	232.584	1.644.806	-39	5
17	Tulip Fever	15.543	251	62	154.049	1.254.946	-37	4
18	Atomic Blonde	10.674	249	43	267.089	2.208.856	-65	4
19	Weit. Die Geschichte von einem Weg …	10.273	125	82	215.168	1.662.081	+8	15
20	Magical Mystery oder Die Rückkehr …	10.035	98	102	80.348	639.102	-42	3

Awful weekend, look at those PTAs … let's move on to

Next weekend: A lot of new releases, two of which should dominate the boxoffice (no big feat at the moment, I know …) - The Lego Ninjago Movie and Kingsman 2. Not exactly blockbuster material (both will be lucky to get somewhere near 1mil total) but a 200k opening weekend is possible for both (frankly, I have no idea how popular the Ninjago brand is with kids, other than with the LEGO movie I can't see many grownups attending).

[MinaTakla]

Mark G:

Highest grossing CGI Animated films of all time in Germany - DM3 now in now #7 in the all-time top 10!

In euro:

 

57,92 Minions

56,53 IA3

52,04 IA4

48,75 IA2

46,35 Finding Nemo

39,21 IA1

36,66 DM3

Edited September 20, 2017 by MinaTakla

[IndustriousAngel]

Ice Age has always been a phenomenon in Germany, probably because of the good dubbing choices, but Minions was really the surprise, I mean the movie wasn't even that good.

[el sid]

Some Thursday estimates from insidekino.de/forum:

New releases:
Kingsman - The Golden Circle: 47k (released in 601 theaters, with few exceptions the film gets ok, good or very good reviews, the first Kingsman movie had 191.405 admissions OW (785.407 total)) – seems to do quite fine if this number holds
The Ninjago Movie: ?k (558, ok and good reviews)
Hereinspaziert! / À bras ouverts: 2k (194, very mixed reviews between 0 and 8/10)
Norman: 1k (105, good reviews)
Schloss aus Glas: 1.2k (101, ok to very good reviews)
 

Holdovers:
High Society: 8k (actuals last Thursday 16k)
The Circle: 4k (11k)
Bullyparade: 4k (10k)
Annabelle 2: 3k
mother!: 2.5k (10k) – this number can't be true or WOM is really toxic
American Made: 2.5k (no number of last Thursday for comparison but 2.5k would also be a hefty decline)
Lucky Logan: 2k (10k) - almost unbelievable low
Grießnockerlaffäre: 2k

 

All holdovers seem to have big problems today (due to Kingsman 2 probably and maybe The Ninjago Movie and also because the films lost so many screens). Hopefully these estimates are just a little bit too low and walk ups are stronger. Other reports e.g. the "South-West-report" show smaller declines but overall it just looks like the older movies won't have a nice weekend. But don't forget that all these reports ignore the walk ups so there's still some hope till the first trend is up tomorrow.

Edited September 21, 2017 by el sid

[IndustriousAngel]

Early weekend estimates:

#1: Kingsman2 - 225k incl previews, ok but not more than the first one

#2: LegoNinjago - 140k, that's only half of the earlier LEGO movies

#3: HighSociety - 90k (-27%)

 

Once more, boring weekend.

[Aristis]

5 minutes ago, IndustriousAngel said:

Early weekend estimates:

#1: Kingsman2 - 225k incl previews, ok but not more than the first one

#2: LegoNinjago - 140k, that's only half of the earlier LEGO movies

#3: HighSociety - 90k (-27%)

 

Once more, boring weekend.

That is awful... Hopefully the movies can pick up over the weekend.

 

It has to break out, there is no way that there isn't any movie that really works this year (more than suspected)

[MinaTakla]

3 minutes ago, Aristis said:

That is awful... Hopefully the movies can pick up over the weekend.

 

It has to break out, there is no way that there isn't any movie that really works this year (more than suspected)

DM3 is the only film that didn't disappoint or underwhelm in Germany this summer.

The market has been seeing a big decline in interest, just like Italy. 

Compared to UK and France, both Germany and Italy are on a big decline as a major box office market I would say.

[KeepItU25071906]

12 minutes ago, IndustriousAngel said:

Early weekend estimates:

#1: Kingsman2 - 225k incl previews, ok but not more than the first one

#2: LegoNinjago - 140k, that's only half of the earlier LEGO movies

#3: HighSociety - 90k (-27%)

 

Once more, boring weekend.

Germany is so dissapointed this year. I don't remember any huge result for decent movie.

[Aristis]

10 minutes ago, MinaTakla said:

DM3 is the only film that didn't disappoint or underwhelm in Germany this summer.

The market has been seeing a big decline in interest, just like Italy. 

Compared to UK and France, both Germany and Italy are on a big decline as a major box office market I would say.

DM3 is still down 35% compared to Minions, that decline should have been bigger (even if it's up 20% from DM2). It seems Minions could be the peak of this franchise here...

 

But the list of big movies that did good/better than expected isn't long. I would say BatB (3,4M), GotG2 (2,5M), (maybe Baywatch (1,97M)), Boss Baby (1,97M), La La Land (1,76M) and maybe Split (1,22M).

There is not much I have hopes in. It, Fack ju Göhte (local), SW VIII. 2M admissions could (under very good circumstances) get Thor3 (it has a very interesting opening date, Tuesday 31st October to have two days of holiday), Bad Moms 2 (the first one had 1,3M admissions but Baywatch didn't get to 2M so probably not), Justice League (well, if not than Germany really doesn't like DC), Happy Death Day, Paddington 2 (the first had 2,05M), Coco, Jumanji and two local comedies at the end of the year (Dieses bescheuerte Herz (That stupid heart) and Jung Brutal Gutaussehend (Young Brutally Good looking, but I do not know much about these)

[MinaTakla]

1 hour ago, Aristis said:

DM3 is still down 35% compared to Minions, that decline should have been bigger (even if it's up 20% from DM2). It seems Minions could be the peak of this franchise here...

 

But the list of big movies that did good/better than expected isn't long. I would say BatB (3,4M), GotG2 (2,5M), (maybe Baywatch (1,97M)), Boss Baby (1,97M), La La Land (1,76M) and maybe Split (1,22M).

There is not much I have hopes in. It, Fack ju Göhte (local), SW VIII. 2M admissions could (under very good circumstances) get Thor3 (it has a very interesting opening date, Tuesday 31st October to have two days of holiday), Bad Moms 2 (the first one had 1,3M admissions but Baywatch didn't get to 2M so probably not), Justice League (well, if not than Germany really doesn't like DC), Happy Death Day, Paddington 2 (the first had 2,05M), Coco, Jumanji and two local comedies at the end of the year (Dieses bescheuerte Herz (That stupid heart) and Jung Brutal Gutaussehend (Young Brutally Good looking, but I do not know much about these)

I actually think Minions 2 will make more than DM3 in Germany actually. 5M admissions plus.

[IndustriousAngel]

The only betteer-than-expected release in recent months was Grießnockerlaffäre which managed a sizeable increase from the three predecessors' numbers.

[Brainbug]

Its the combination of absurdly high ticket prices and rather unappealing movies in the last months. Im positive that IT will be a major breakout (for horror standards).