BO Germany/Austria: Dune 2 fine 2nd weekend

[Poseidon]

5 hours ago, IndustriousAngel said:

Monday update has HTTYD3 now with a 48% drop, at least <50% ... still, only 40k ahead of HTTYD2's total at the same point - might come in behind in the end despite the much bigger opening.

 

Dragons 2 had Summer weekdays helping. We'll see what winter holidays can add to Dragons. Would have rather seen it opening over easter, though. Next weekend, in terms of weather, looks amazing as well, so another fairly big drop is in store. 

[IndustriousAngel]

Germany's Top20 last weekend:

	title	admissions	th.	PTA	total adm.	total €	drop	week
1	How to Tame Your Dragon 3	323.497	687	471	1.166.087	10.064.291	-47	2
2	Battle Angel Alita	203.212	566	359	221.207	2.505.143	-	1
3	Club der roten Bänder	184.568	594	311	184.568	1.587.755	-	1
4	Happy Death Day 2U	96.542	325	297	96.542	839.857	-	1
5	Green Book	89.487	280	320	444.906	3.934.469	-26	3
6	Der Junge muss an die frische Luft	82.548	749	110	3.152.326	26.584.824	-46	8
7	The Lego Movie 2	78.517	462	170	238.502	1.838.189	-42	2
8	Wreck-it Ralph 2	68.463	569	120	1.081.965	8.368.687	-57	4
9	Glass	49.474	364	136	828.956	7.664.653	-42	5
10	Mia et le Lion Blanc	45.657	467	98	339.007	2.385.452	-55	3
11	Sweethearts	43.788	394	111	58.996	512.136	-	1
12	Bohemian Rhapsody	34.390	469	73	3.154.610	29.228.997	-40	16
13	Creed 2	33.316	365	91	565.475	5.093.249	-60	4
14	Instant Family	29.537	408	72	285.888	2.279.961	-60	3
15	Checker Tobi und das Geheimnis unseres Planeten	25.130	303	83	195.500	1.266.700	-58	3
16	The Possession of Hannah Grace	17.041	228	75	133.058	1.133.157	-52	3
17	Immenhof - Das Abenteuer eines Sommers	15.718	461	34	447.305	3.079.884	-66	5
18	The Favourite	14.011	136	103	163.850	1.331.544	-36	4
19	The Mule	10.201	105	97	63.258	537.401	-40	3
20	Aquaman	9.230	154	60	1.943.574	21.489.559	-64	9

Bad weekend (mostly thanks to great outdoors weather) - openers underwhelming and not even the longrunners like Der Junge muss an die frische Luft or Bohemian Rhapsody managed a good hold (both are now head-to-head in total admissions). The biggest disappointment is probably domestic romcom Sweethearts which somehow managed to evade any Valentine's Day's business.

Next weekend: The good news for holdovers is that there isn't a single big opener. The bad news is that weather stays perfect - so probably another bad weekend for the movies …

[IndustriousAngel]

horrible weekend coming ... we're dancing the admissions limbo atm and nobody seems to care.

from an article in Austrian daily DerStandard:

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Was also läuft falsch in Österreich? Nicht allzu viel, sagen Experten. Obwohl die Besucherzahlen im letzten Jahr radikal zurückgegangen sind, warnen sie vor verfrühtem Pessimismus. Der Kinomarkt sei nämlich von vielen Faktoren abhängig. Wenn einige Hollywood-Blockbuster unter den Erwartungen bleiben, schlägt das auch auf Österreich durch. Zudem ist die Abhängigkeit gegenüber dem deutschen Markt groß: 2017 war Fack ju Göhte 3 der meistgesehene Film in Österreich. Im Vorjahr blieb eine vergleichbare Produktion aus. Auch die Fußball-WM wirkte sich auf die Besucherzahlen aus. "Bei Großevents gehen die Zahlen der Ausstrahlungen zurück", sagt Roman Schöndorfer von Cinecom, dem Vermarktungsunternehmen der österreichischen Kinos. Die Annahme, dass alle nur Fußball im Kopf haben, verleitet die Verleiher dazu, weniger Filme ins Kino zu bringen. Eine "Selffulfilling Prophecy". Stärker als die WM dürfte sich aber der heiße Sommer ausgewirkt haben: Er hielt Menschen vom Kinosaal fern. - derstandard.at/2000098188164/Was-steckt-hinter-dem-Besucherrueckgang-in-oesterreichischen-Kinos

that's self-deception to the nth degree ... yep, we had a championship year, but that happens every 2nd year ... yep, some blockbusters were below expectations but we've seen such years in the past. Last year was - after the already bad 2017 - a futher steep drop and as mentioned, January brought a new all-time low. The situation in Austria is even worse than in Germany where some domestic successes dampen the decline. 😕

[el sid]

I agree. And they even "forgot" that the German team didn't even reach the round of sixteen...

The estimates look indeed not promising and today it was pretty cloudy. Maybe the actuals are better. 
Interesting that "Der goldene Handschuh", the thriller about the serial killer, seems to be the only new release with decent admissions today, especially playing in only 135 theaters.

Edited February 21, 2019 by el sid

[IndustriousAngel]

I find it really strange that nobody seems to care about the death of the movie theaters ... just compare it to France, where they put a lot of effort into putting as many  customers as possible into their seats, (and that's despite the situation being much better in France anyway, afaik the French still buy double to thrice the tickets than the Germans or Austrians)

[Taruseth]

11 hours ago, IndustriousAngel said:

I find it really strange that nobody seems to care about the death of the movie theaters ... just compare it to France, where they put a lot of effort into putting as many  customers as possible into their seats, (and that's despite the situation being much better in France anyway, afaik the French still buy double to thrice the tickets than the Germans or Austrians)

It feels like they already gave up on them. And now just wait until they can finally bury all of them.

And I can already see the headlines at the end of the year about the incredible increase in adm. 

And they all will ignore that the year before was the first in like 27 years or so. And that probably will be because Disney releases Avengers 4, TLK, Frozen 2 and EP IX (Theoretically those movies should do something like 3.5M, 6M, 5M, 6M so 20.5M together, if Germany would have a cinema going culture those numbers would be more like 7, 12, 10, 12. Non the less I fear that those 4 will miss 20M together),

But even those numbers would mean that the #1 movie of 2018 would only place fourth in 2019.

Edited February 22, 2019 by Taruseth

[IndustriousAngel]

First weekend estimates from insidekino.de:

#1/2: 150k admissions each for HTTYD3 (-54%) and Alita (-26%, I doubt that number but would be a fine hold of course)

#3/4 Green Book and RoteBänder with 80k each (-11% for Green Book, good hold once more)

 

overall a disaster, of course.

[el sid]

And some Thursday actuals (source Blickpunkt:Film):

The new releases:

Der goldene Handschuh (a German thriller which portrays a serial killer, 135): 8k → 55k admissions OW in the first trend
Vice (159): 7k → 55k OW
The Upside (315): 3k → 37.5k OW

Boy Erased (101): 2.2k → 17.5k OW
Die Winzlinge – Abenteuer in der Karibik (a French animation movie, 328): 2k → 22.5k OW
Die Schneekönigin im Spiegelland (a Russian animation movie, 158): ?k → 7.5k OW
Nobody's Fool (101): ?k → 5k OW

The holdovers:

How to Train Your Dragon 3: 17k whole day (actuals last Thursday 34k whole day)
Alita: 16.5k (40k)
Green Book: 11k (15k)
Der Club der roten Bänder: 9k (65k)

Edited February 22, 2019 by el sid

[chuck0]

1 hour ago, IndustriousAngel said:

First weekend estimates from insidekino.de:

#1/2: 150k admissions each for HTTYD3 (-54%) and Alita (-26%, I doubt that number but would be a fine hold of course)

#3/4 Green Book and RoteBänder with 80k each (-11% for Green Book, good hold once more)

 

overall a disaster, of course.

How on point are estimates like that usually?

Would love for Alita to hold like that.

[Brainbug]

The German box office:

 

[efialtes76]

3 hours ago, IndustriousAngel said:

First weekend estimates from insidekino.de:

#1/2: 150k admissions each for HTTYD3 (-54%) and Alita (-26%, I doubt that number but would be a fine hold of course)

#3/4 Green Book and RoteBänder with 80k each (-11% for Green Book, good hold once more)

 

overall a disaster, of course.

Understimating HTTYD3 like the last weekend... 

Edited February 22, 2019 by efialtes76

[MrGlass2]

2 hours ago, Brainbug said:

The German box office:

Don't worry the box office Titanic of the 21st century is unleashed worldwide in 2.5 months.

[Taruseth]

3 hours ago, Brainbug said:

The German box office:

 

Yeah, and 2019 is exactly that moment🤣

 

52 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said:

Don't worry the box office Titanic of the 21st century is unleashed worldwide in 2.5 months.

... Nop, don't think it will end in the top 5 of the year.

 

[el sid]

The second trend:

#1 How to Train Your Dragon 3 175k
#2 Alita 135k
#3 Green Book 85k
#4 Der Club der roten Bänder 72.5k
#5 Happy Death Day 2U 57.5k
#6 Der Junge muss an die frische Luft 55k
#7 Vice 52.5k
#8 The Lego Movie 2 50k
#9 Der goldene Handschuh 42.5k
#10 Ralph II 40k
#11 The Upside 37.5k
#12 Mia And The White Lion 30k
#13 Glass 30k
#14 Bohemian Rhapsody 25k

[IndustriousAngel]

expected changes - that drop for Alita looks more sensible now, and HTTYD3 ist still dropping hard but less than 50%

[efialtes76]

32 minutes ago, IndustriousAngel said:

expected changes - that drop for Alita looks more sensible now, and HTTYD3 ist still dropping hard but less than 50%

HTTYD3 will up to 185k-190k

[efialtes76]

Final Trend

Dragon 3-210k

Alita-130k

Green Book-75k

 

[terrestrial]

I just wated to pre-order my tickets for next week's CM release. Is it normal that there isn't a FSK known ~ 9 days before the release?

[IndustriousAngel]

Germany's Top20 last weekend:

	title	admissions	th.	PTA	total adm.	total €	drop	week
1	How To Train Your Dragon 3	213.680	711	301	1.439.598	12.317.607	-34	3
2	Battle Angel Alita	133.933	589	227	409.292	4.567.143	-34	2
3	Green Book	88.823	435	204	568.007	5.037.345	-1	4
4	Club der roten Bänder	74.399	595	125	303.023	2.546.382	-60	2
5	The Lego Movie 2	59.946	517	116	312.755	2.380.489	-24	3
6	Der Junge muss an die frische Luft	59.421	720	83	3.246.694	27.359.331	-28	9
7	Happy Death Day 2U	58.731	383	153	170.165	1.458.837	-39	2
8	Wreck-it Ralph 2	49.139	578	85	1.144.935	8.818.472	-28	5
9	Vice	48.953	160	306	57.023	495.128	-	1
10	Der goldene Handschuh	42.964	134	321	45.311	400.219	-	1
11	Mia et le Lion Blanc	37.695	499	76	389.959	2.729.132	-17	4
12	Glass	33.479	346	97	871.767	8.059.857	-32	6
13	Bohemian Rhapsody	29.347	481	61	3.196.910	29.623.564	-15	17
14	The Upside	24.214	323	75	38.465	290.658	-	1
15	Sweethearts	21.905	394	56	92.996	792.846	-50	2
16	Checker Tobi und das Geheimnis unseres Planeten	21.336	344	62	221.795	1.430.136	-15	4
17	Minuscule 2	16.079	309	52	19.354	129.568	-	1
18	Creed 2	16.073	290	55	586.789	5.287.210	-52	5
19	Instant Family	15.321	270	57	307.716	2.454.314	-48	4
20	Boy Erased	14.353	101	142	18.520	154.072	-	1

Some ok drops (Green Book outstanding, had already very strong holds until now, the additional Awards push might take it to 1mil total) but mostly a piss-poor weekend.

Next weekend: Again, no really big openers. Neeson actioner Hard Powder should manage >100k for the weekend, but will be beaten by the fourth entry in domestic horse-girl adaption series Ostwind which should win the weekend with >200k admissions (those series always have a very reliable fanbase). A possible surprise might be horror movie Escape Room thanks to a popular topic but I doubt if it can go as high as Ostwind4; it might beat Hard Powder though.

[Taruseth]

I guess BR should barely get past €30M.

Alita held better than I expected.