BO Germany/Austria: Dune 2 fine 2nd weekend

[IndustriousAngel]

what I really don't understand is why theaters aren't able to cash in on their climatized rooms in the afternoon and early evening ... I mean, it's too hot even for beergardens or any outdoor "activities" except swimming.

[terrestrial]

1 hour ago, IndustriousAngel said:

what I really don't understand is why theaters aren't able to cash in on their climatized rooms in the afternoon and early evening ... I mean, it's too hot even for beergardens or any outdoor "activities" except swimming.

Someone who works here too told me they (pair with 3 or 4 children) went at the late afternoon swimming. It was so full and loud he meant he was in danger to get his hearing damaged. Not entirely jokingly meant. Per overly fullness it felt seemingly even more hot than outside the lake area, That one was a first.....

[Aristis]

This is gonna be indeed a catastrophic WE... I hoped for at least 300k. Still, considering the weather it's probably ok.

Reminds me of Minions which opened on a very hot WE, too (I think like now with temperatures around. That one had 935k first WE and 1,04M on second. So hopefully Pets can increase, too. With a multipler like Minions (x7,43, it reached a huge 6,95M!) it could still get 1,85M after this OW. Would still be down more than 50% and this 1,85M is a big maybe.

 

Awful

[Omni]

7 hours ago, Aristis said:

This is gonna be indeed a catastrophic WE... I hoped for at least 300k.

I hoped for 250k at most.

 

I'm actually surprised at Germany rejecting Pets 2 just like most of the other countries. I was thinking a retention closer to Russia's, or even higher considering the apparent love for bad animation the country usually has.

 

Here in Italy there's going to be some bad weather starting from July 4-6th. Will Germany follow suit?

[Aristis]

43 minutes ago, Omni said:

I hoped for 250k at most.

 

I'm actually surprised at Germany rejecting Pets 2 just like most of the other countries. I was thinking a retention closer to Russia's, or even higher considering the apparent love for bad animation the country usually has.

 

Here in Italy there's going to be some bad weather starting from July 4-6th. Will Germany follow suit?

I would take almost every movie to do good numbers at the moment, no matter how bad (even some AIW rerelease!) But well, that's something our countries share, love for debatable movies

 

I think we don't have the luck of bad weather for around 2 weeks...

[terrestrial]

58 minutes ago, Omni said:

Here in Italy there's going to be some bad weather starting from July 4-6th. Will Germany follow suit?

Here in the south of Germany its said it does go down, but only to the degree they think it will be only 29°C to 25°C at minimum.

Mostly sunny, only a little bit rain till incl. the Sunday of that time span.

 

= way better as not too hot like the last few days.... but still not cinema going weather.

[Aristis]

I don't know if the second Trend is too awful to share...

 

 

Spoiler

Pets 200k

 

Everything else below 50k, even Aladdin only has 42,5k...

 

[Aristis]

To add something rather nice: As of last WE Endgame is the 24th biggest movie in € in Germany. It'll reach 23rd but not any further.

 

(position/total in €/ATP/title)

22	57.929.442	6.945.769	8,34	Minions
23	56.530.290	8.709.881	6,49	Ice Age 3
24	56.428.331	5.011.808	11,26	AEG
25	55.683.049	11.899.893	4,68	The Lion King
26	55.468.003	9.272.424	5,98	Independence Day

http://www.insidekino.de/DJahr/DAlltime100bo.htm

 

[charlie Jatinder]

Thank you for Dark. Germany.

Germans are gorgeous.

[Taruseth]

2 hours ago, Aristis said:

I don't know if the second Trend is too awful to share...

 

 

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Pets 200k

 

Everything else below 50k, even Aladdin only has 42,5k...

 

It is, utterly catastrophic I had hoped for Pets 2 to stay above 200k (for the true weekend) but with 200k for the Weekend and previews that would mean the true weekend is around 160-165k.

And no movie above 50k apart from it, Aladdin with a 70% drop, I really hope that will increase by at least 50% next weekend but I don't really know.

Will be the worst weekend of the year and worst since the Weekend of 19th April last year (let's please just forget that weekend ever existed the #1 had barely above 60k adm...)

 

Probably killed Endgame's rerelease too so I don't think the movie will get a big increase.

But at least it was able to get above 5m, despite me doubting that around the 4th weekend (I think), probably to a final of around 5050k so 136k behind the all-time record of Spider-Man.

 

Also, this will be the first superhero movie ever to be in the yearly top 3 (I think Frozen 2 won't increase from the first though it only would need to increase by 6% to be above 5050k).

I think RTOS is the only movie with a solid chance to beat Endgame.

And TLK is up in the air.

Edited June 29, 2019 by Taruseth

[Aristis]

4 hours ago, Taruseth said:

I think RTOS is the only movie with a solid chance to beat Endgame.

Actually I don't have any doubt that SW9 passes AEG. If it doesn't reach that mark there is no hope for German BO

[titanic2187]

7 minutes ago, Aristis said:

Actually I don't have any doubt that SW9 passes AEG. If it doesn't reach that mark there is no hope for German BO

German BO is indeed bad, I see no local breakout even half the year has gone. German has the biggest economy in europe, yet the local industry is so meh.....

[Taruseth]

5 hours ago, Aristis said:

Actually I don't have any doubt that SW9 passes AEG. If it doesn't reach that mark there is no hope for German BO

The German BO needs TLK, Frozen 2 and RTOS too all overperform and for the latter two to outperform their predecessor.

But more realistically would probably be something like:

TLK: 2.5m

Frozen 2: 3.5m

RTOS: 5m 

 

5 hours ago, titanic2187 said:

German BO is indeed bad, I see no local breakout even half the year has gone. German has the biggest economy in europe, yet the local industry is so meh.....

We don't even care about Hollywood movies.

[George Parr]

I don't know, those numbers seem a bit pessimistic to me. Tough to say how a "§live-action" TLK remake will do, but the original was very popular and the musical helped as well, so I wouldn't exclude the possibility of it doing a whole lot more than 2.5m.It's a bit of a wildcard though.

 

5m also seems rather low for Star Wars. If you ignore the first movie of a trilogy, which always was a bit inflated to the rest, you have Episode II at 5.7m, Episode III at 5.62m and Episode VIII a 5.9m. That's pretty consistent, regardless of what general opinion may or may not have been.

[Taruseth]

8 minutes ago, George Parr said:

I don't know, those numbers seem a bit pessimistic to me. Tough to say how a "§live-action" TLK remake will do, but the original was very popular and the musical helped as well, so I wouldn't exclude the possibility of it doing a whole lot more than 2.5m.It's a bit of a wildcard though.

 

5m also seems rather low for Star Wars. If you ignore the first movie of a trilogy, which always was a bit inflated to the rest, you have Episode II at 5.7m, Episode III at 5.62m and Episode VIII a 5.9m. That's pretty consistent, regardless of what general opinion may or may not have been.

I have no idea what it will do and haven't checked presales since Monday evening, so:

20 hours ago, Taruseth said:

And TLK is up in the air.

 

Could go either way...

 

5m for SW actually isn't that low if it performs like II and III it would get like 5.8m and considering that Solo performed awful in comparison to Rogue One I can surely see it drop more than a few per cent. But I think this depends on advertisement leading up to release and then on how good the movie actually is.

 

I am obviously hoping for an overperformance for TLK and Frozen 2 and for SW to perform above TLJ.

 

I'll try to count Spider-Man and TLK this evening. If Spider-Man's showings aren't up or weak I might not do more than the previews.

[Taruseth]

Trend stays as awful:

Pets 2: 200k (160k -> 77% below Pets) (200k is with previews but still 71.7% below Pets)

Aladdin: 45k (-70%)

Five Feet Apart: 45k (-57.4% / -64.7%)

MIBI: 35k (-62.4%)

JW3: 22.5k (-60%)

 

The same multi as pets (5.45x) would give 1090k (872k).

Even a minions multi (7.43x) would only get it to 1486k (1189k) or in other words a drop of 61.4% (69.1%).

Addin the 40k previews to the numbers in brackets would give 912k or 1129k (drops of 76.3% or 70.7%)

AFAIK those OWend numbers for Pets and Minions are without Previews.

 

Think due to the lack of other kids movies apart from TLK it will enjoy a lengthy run and as it started really low it will have an amazing multi, maybe enough to reach 1900k (and with that achieve a drop of "just" 50% compared to Pets.

Edited June 30, 2019 by Taruseth

[Taruseth]

Spider-Man: Far From Home:

Spoiler

Previews on 3rd July

CineStar Bremen

30th June 23:59(T-3): 20:00 94 / 425 -> 22.12% (+59)

 

CinemaxX Bremen

30th June 23:59(T-3): OV 19:00: 124 / 454

30th June 23:59(T-3): OV 22:30 25 / 454

30th June 23:59(T-3): 19:30: 152 / 505

30th June 23:59(T-3): 23:00 4 / 505

Total: 305 / 1918 -> 15.9% (+144)

 

CineStar Metropolis Frankfurt

30th June 23:59(T-3): OV 20:00: 201 / 624

30th June 23:59(T-3): 20:00 132 / 642

Total: 333 / 1266 -> 26.3% (+156)

 

(T-3)

732 / 3609 (+416)

Comps.:

Rocketman ~90

Godzilla ~110

John Wick 3: 326

Aladdin: 173

Dark Phoenix: 47

MIBI: 43

Five Feet Apart: 100

 

Homecoming opened with 298.7k (had incredibly small sneaks of just 1.9k so total OWend of 300.6k)

The only somewhat interesting one is John Wick 3 which would point towards a 740k OWend (incl. Previews). Which would be a really surprise considering the last barely got 1m adm.

At the Cinestar Bremen it’s at 64.4% of DP (so 289k) which would be a small drop and probably assure 1m to be out of reach.

Or it’s at 20.25% of Endgame’s Previews (which had a different situation with its Wednesday opening) but only looking at Endgame’s true weekend this would translate to 339k.

 

I guess it will be headed to something around 350k obviously hoping for it to get past 400k so we finally have an OWend (wo Previews) above 300k, the last one was DP.

 

 

The Lion King:

Spoiler

Sunday 30^thJune 2019 23:59 MESZ (T-17) Cinestar Bremen

Wednesday:

3D 11:30: 2 / 572

3D 14:30: 0 / 572

3D 17:30: 4 / 572

3D 20:20: 24 / 572 (this is basically behaving like a preview showing, lol)

 

2D 14:00: 0 / 425

 

Total: 30 / 2713 -> 1.1% (+26)

 

Thursday:

3D 11:30: 0 / 572

3D 14:30: 0 / 572

3D 17:30: 2 / 572

3D 20:20: 4 / 572

3D 22:30: 0 / 425c (NEW)

 

2D 14:00: 0 / 425

 

Total: 6 / 3138 -> 0.64‰ (+6)

 

Friday:

3D 11:30: 0 / 572

3D 14:30: 0 / 572

3D 17:30: 2 / 572

3D 20:20: 0 / 572

3D 22:30: 0 / 425 (NEW)

 

2D 14:00: 0 / 425

 

Total: 2 / 3138 -> 0%

 

Saturday:

3D 11:30: 2 / 572

3D 14:30: 0 / 572

3D 17:30: 0 / 572

3D 20:20: 15 / 572

3D 22:30: 0 / 425 (NEW)

 

2D 14:00: 7 / 425

 

Total: 24 / 3138 -> 0.76% (+24)

 

Sunday:

OV 3D 20:20: 0 / 296 (NEW)

 

3D 11:30: 0 / 572

3D 14:30: 0 / 572

3D 17:30: 0 / 572

3D 20:20: 5 / 572

 

2D 14:00: 0 / 425

 

Total: 5 / 3009 -> 0.17% (+5)

 

Total WTFSS: 67 / 15136 -> 0.44% (+63 / +1571)

Total TFSS: 37 / 12423 -> 0.30% (+37 / +1571)

 

Sunday 30^thJune 2019 23:59 MESZ (T-17) CinemaxX Bremen

Wednesday – Previews:

OV 3D 00:01: 0 / 454

3D 00:01: 16 / 505

Total: 16 / 959 -> 1.67%

 

Wednesday:

3D 17:00: 6 / 505

3D 20:00: 8 / 505

3D 23:00: 0 / 505

 

OV 3D 19:30: 15 / 454

 

2D 14:00: 2 / 505

 

Total: 31 / 2474 -> 1.25% (+23)

 

Thursday:

3D 17:00: 0 / 505

3D 20:00: 3 / 505

3D 23:10: 0 / 505

 

OV 2D 19:30: 14 / 454

 

2D 14:00: 0 / 505

 

Total: 17 / 2474 -> 0.69 (+15)

 

Friday:

3D 17:00: 0 / 505

3D 20:00: 0 / 505

3D 23:10: 0 / 505

 

2D 14:00: 0 / 505

 

Total: 0 / 2020 -> 0%

 

Saturday:

3D 17:00: 0 / 505

3D 20:00: 0 / 505

3D 23:10: 0 / 505

 

2D 14:00: 2 / 505

 

Total: 2 / 2020 -> 0.99‰

 

Sunday:

3D 17:00: 0 / 505

3D 20:00: 0 / 505

3D 23:10: 0 / 505

 

2D 14:00: 0 / 505

 

Total: 0 / 2020 -> 0%

 

Total WTFSS w Previews: 66 / 11967 -> 0.55% (+47)

Total WTFSS: 50 / 11008 -> 0.45% (+40)

Total TFSS: 19 / 8534 -> 0.22% (+17)

 

Sunday 30^thJune 2019 23:00 MESZ (T-17) Cinestar Metropolis Frankfurt

Wednesday:

OV 3D 11:00: 2 / 624

OV 3D 14:00: 0 / 624

OV 3D 17:00: 4 / 624

OV 3D 20:00: 43 / 624

OV 3D 23:00: 0 / 624

 

3D 11:15: 2 / 642

3D 14:15: 2 / 642

3D 17:15: 7 / 642

3D 20:15: 30 / 642

3D 23:15: 0 / 642

 

2D 13:15: 2 / 351 (NEW)

2D 16:15: 2 / 351 (NEW)

 

Total: 94 / 7032 -> 1.34% (+58)

 

Thursday:

OV 3D 11:00: 0 / 624

OV 3D 14:00: 2 / 624

OV 3D 17:00: 0 / 624

OV 3D 20:00: 2 / 624

OV 3D 23:00: 0 / 624

 

3D 11:15: 0 / 642

3D 14:15: 0 / 642

3D 17:15: 0 / 642

3D 20:15: 2 / 642

3D 23:15: 0 / 642

 

2D 13:15: 0 / 351

2D 16:15: 0 / 351

 

Total: 6 / 7032 -> 0.85‰ (+6)

 

Friday:

OV 3D 11:00: 0 / 624

OV 3D 14:00: 2 / 624

OV 3D 17:00: 0 / 624

OV 3D 20:00: 6 / 624

OV 3D 23:00: 0 / 624

 

3D 11:15: 0 / 642

3D 14:15: 0 / 642

3D 17:15: 0 / 642

3D 20:15: 4 / 642

3D 23:15: 0 / 642

 

2D 13:15: 0 / 351

2D 16:15: 0 / 351

 

Total: 12 / 7032 -> 0.17% (+12)

 

Saturday:

OV 3D 11:00: 0 / 624

OV 3D 14:00: 2 / 624

OV 3D 17:00: 5 / 624

OV 3D 20:00: 2 / 624

OV 3D 23:00: 0 / 624

 

3D 11:15: 0 / 642

3D 14:15: 0 / 642

3D 17:15: 7 / 642

3D 20:15: 4 / 642

3D 23:15: 0 / 642

 

2D 13:15: 0 / 351

2D 16:15: 0 / 351

 

Total: 20 / 7032 -> 0.28% (+20)

 

Sunday:

OV 3D 11:00: 2 / 624

OV 3D 14:00: 0 / 624

OV 3D 17:00: 0 / 624

OV 3D 20:00: 0 / 624

OV 3D 23:00: 0 / 624

 

3D 11:15: 0 / 642

3D 14:15: 0 / 642

3D 17:15: 0 / 642

3D 20:15: 0 / 642

3D 23:15: 0 / 642

 

2D 13:15: 0 / 351

2D 16:15: 0 / 351

 

Total: 2 / 7032 -> 0-28‰ (+2)

 

Total WTFSS: 134 / 35160 -> 0.38% (+98 / +702)

Total TFSS: 40 / 28128 -> 0.14% (+40)

 

 

(T-17)

Don’t know what to make out of this…

The lack of traditional Previews makes this even harder to count.

Previews: X + 16 + X = 16 (+7)

Wed: 30 + 31 + 94 = 155 (+107)

Th: 6 + 17 + 6 = 229 (+27)

Fri: 2 + 0 + 12 = 14 (+14)

Sat: 24 + 2 + 20 = 46 (46)

Sun: 5 + 0 + 2 = 7 (+7)

TFSS: 37 + 19 + 40 = 96 (+94)

PWTFSS: 67 + 66 + 134 = 267 / 62263 (+208 / +2273)

 

Mmmh, is this good? Is this bad? Sorry, I don’t really know, I would say it isn’t bad but it also certainly isn’t good either.

[Aristis]

At least Monday numbers are a bit higher again...

 

Pets 240k (So around 200k 4-day)

Aladdin 50k (-65%)

Five Feet Apart 50k (-53%/-61%)

MIB:I 37,5k (-60%)

JW3 25k (-55%)

[IndustriousAngel]

Germany's "Top"10 last weekend:

	title	admissions	th.	PTA	total adm.	total €	drop	week
1	Pets 2	197.728	720	275	240.631	2.008.736	-	1
2	Aladdin	50.131	611	82	1.521.319	14.000.624	-65	6
3	Five Feet Apart	48.833	472	103	199.495	1.611.543	-54	2
4	Men in Black - International	38.623	636	61	309.698	2.986.297	-59	3
5	John Wick 3	25.670	456	56	1.049.096	9.760.949	-54	6
6	Rocketman	18.085	592	31	490.907	4.458.740	-65	5
7	X-Men - Dark Phoenix	16.147	393	41	353.380	3.566.719	-63	4
8	Long Shot	14.018	337	42	96.163	744.055	-69	2
9	Avengers - Endgame	12.646	211	60	5.028.083	56.597.441	-27	10
10	Pokémon Detektive Pikachu	10.965	477	23	1.345.809	11.447.504	-67	8

That was one depressing weekend … only 10 releases with >10k admissions, that's beyond bad and back to our 2018 standards. In Austria, similar numbers.

Next weekend: While weather continues its summery run (a little cooler, hopefully!), the overall weekend should be a lot stronger thanks to attractive non-family openers: Spider-Man Far From Home and Annabelle3 plus some small but interesting releases. SMFFH will win the weekend, maybe it can get 250k or even 300k admissions which would already be a success against this weather. The horror release should at least top 100k.

[Taruseth]

9 hours ago, IndustriousAngel said:

Germany's "Top"10 last weekend:

 

 

	title	admissions	th.	PTA	total adm.	total €	drop	week
1	Pets 2	197.728	720	275	240.631	2.008.736	-	1
2	Aladdin	50.131	611	82	1.521.319	14.000.624	-65	6
3	Five Feet Apart	48.833	472	103	199.495	1.611.543	-54	2
4	Men in Black - International	38.623	636	61	309.698	2.986.297	-59	3
5	John Wick 3	25.670	456	56	1.049.096	9.760.949	-54	6
6	Rocketman	18.085	592	31	490.907	4.458.740	-65	5
7	X-Men - Dark Phoenix	16.147	393	41	353.380	3.566.719	-63	4
8	Long Shot	14.018	337	42	96.163	744.055	-69	2
9	Avengers - Endgame	12.646	211	60	5.028.083	56.597.441	-27	10
10	Pokémon Detektive Pikachu	10.965	477	23	1.345.809	11.447.504	-67	8

That was one depressing weekend … only 10 releases with >10k admissions, that's beyond bad and back to our 2018 standards. In Austria, similar numbers.

Next weekend: While weather continues its summery run (a little cooler, hopefully!), the overall weekend should be a lot stronger thanks to attractive non-family openers: Spider-Man Far From Home and Annabelle3 plus some small but interesting releases. SMFFH will win the weekend, maybe it can get 250k or even 300k admissions which would already be a success against this weather. The horror release should at least top 100k.

Might try a count tomorrow evening for Spider-Man and if I can find any motivation tomorrow I might even try Annabelle 3, but won't promise anything.

Pets 2 should clear 1m without too many problems and, I think, get close to 1.5m but that still would be an awful drop.

I fully expect the second weekend to be above 200k.

 

Hope Aladdin can increase to something around 75k (I know that would be a 50% increase) but to at least get any close to 2m it would need that increase and then incredible legs afterwards, to be fair I highly doubt it will get past 1.8m but one can always hope (1.8m would be a 6.2x so quite good).

 

If Spider-Man only gets 250k you can directly scrap him (wouldn't that make it the first to drop from the prior entry in Germany for all Marvel movies (like IM<IM2<IM3; A1<A2<IW<EG, etc..).

Really hope for 350k...

 

 

Okay, might try to count it today too for Spider-Man cause that would mean less stress tomorrow as I already have all showtimes and how many seats are on sale...

Will start counting soon (so an hour before midnight roughly). I think the difference can be ignored not many people by tickets this late in the evening.