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11 minutes ago, miketheavenger said:

3rd trend has Hollywood a little lower, but the other movies a bit higher:
 

#1: OuaTiH: 190k

#2: Lion King: 125k

#3: Good Boys: 102,5k

#4: Hobbs & Shaw: 80k

#5: Toy Story 4: 80k

Yesterday was a bit better than could be expected and today it looks like there might be thunderstorms in souther Germany which should help it there. Kinda surprised at TS4, 80k is still rather awful -66.7% but certainly not a 75% drop. TLK is kinda disappointing considering its so late in its run that every harsh drop will hurt a lot, none the less cinemas might try to keep it in as many rooms as possible next weekend considering its still pulling in strong numbers. And there isn't any proper big alternative for kids as TS4's total won't reach TLK's opening weekend (not in admissions and definitely not in € or $).

If TS4 gets 80k it at least should mean it will approach a final total of around $7M avoiding being the lowest grosser, none the less being the lowest in admissions is still possible and likely.

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Monday numbers:

 

OUATIH 205k (-53%/-66%) 895k

TLK 130k (-61%) 4,66M

Good Boys 110k

TS4 85k (-64%) 400k

H&S 85k (-57%) 1,42M

Leberkäs 82,5k (-38%) 915k So this will soon become the first! german movie of the year to pass 1M...

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7 minutes ago, IndustriousAngel said:

Horrible weekend, even Leberkäsjunkie had a bad drop despite an expansion ...

"Expansion" = 2 showings on the whole weekend in theatres in northern germany, that's not a normal expansion. Don't know how it was in the middle parts.

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Germany Weekend 34 2019.8.23-8.25 Euro

Rank Name WKBO WKAD Scr TOBO TOAD
1 Once Upon A Time In Hollywood €2,111,069  205,346 705 €8,988,716  900,732
2 Lion King, The €1,204,872  129,862 642 €43,461,366  4,659,122
3 Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw €816,566  86,266 539 €13,177,532  1,420,631
4 Good Boys €788,305  94,800 371 €876,554  111,666
5 Leberkasjunkie €714,945  83,777 490 €7,328,414  912,637
6 Toy Story 4 €683,044  87,615 571 €3,129,866  400,239
7 Secret Life Of Pets 2, The €188,638  26,661 625 €17,391,774  2,273,924
8 Crawl €169,272  19,230 257 €260,314  36,425
9 Stuber €165,367  19,498 291 €226,171  29,903
10 Yesterday €157,934  18,536 376 €5,731,801  686,395

 

Out of TOP10 

Bohemian BO 101,009/33,688,14 AD 12,962/3,671,446

Der Junge muss an die frische Luft BO 45,817/30,887,781 AD 7,125/3,729,799

Alladin BO 24,594/17,530,371 AD 3,053/1,940,585

Endgame BO 19,862/57,438,811 AD 2,097/5,119,041

Mission Mangal BO 4,130/37,639 AD 374/3,167

 

Traumfabrik BO 3,915/1,008,783 AD 532/119,707

Traumfabrik have a  Bad performance in Germany, Austria and Switzerland - GermanSpeak.  However, lots of Chinese companies believe that the film will have a very very good performance in middle kingdom, and it box office is expected to  RMB350 million  (about 50M US dollars). I heard that many people are vying for its copyright, which is very very extremely crazy price.

 

MIB BO2,048/3,936,649 AD248/420,667

 

Germany Weekend 34 2019.8.23-8.25 Euro

Rank Name WKBO WKAD Scr TOBO TOAD
1 Once Upon a Time in Hollywood €312,839  27,872 92 €1,523,860  141,795
2 The Lion King €192,723  18,385 91 €7,422,392  721,570
3 Good Boys €150,389  15,766 63 €181,727  19,303
4 Hobbs & Shaw €115,359  10,935 67 €2,178,042  209,402
5 Toy Story 4 €109,725  11,787 73 €468,044  51,118
6 Leberkäsjunkie €106,587  11,234 92 €1,685,196  190,860
7 Crawl €42,760  4,261 44 €5,321  5,331
8 Stuber €42,176  4,432 55 €50,798  5,404
9 The Secret Life of Pets 2 €21,473  2,602 56 €2,411,169  284,421
10 Gloria Bell €12,295  1,406 24 €12,295  1,406
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Germany's Top20 last weekend:

 

title

admissions

th.

PTA

total adm.

total €

drop

week

1

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

205.346

705

291

900.732

8.988.716

-53

2

2

The Lion King

129.862

642

202

4.659.122

43.461.366

-61

6

3

Good Boys

94.800

371

256

111.666

876.554

-

1

4

Toy Story 4

87.615

571

153

400.239

3.129.866

-63

2

5

Fast & Furious - Hobbs & Shaw

86.266

539

160

1.420.631

13.177.532

-56

4

6

Leberkäsjunkie

83.777

490

171

912.637

7.328.414

-37

4

7

Pets 2

26.661

625

43

2.273.924

17.391.774

-68

9

8

Stuber

19.498

291

67

29.903

226.171

-

1

9

Crawl

19.230

257

75

36.425

260.314

-

1

10

Yesterday

18.536

376

49

686.395

5.731.801

-55

7

11

Benjamin Blümchen

13.611

620

22

312.137

2.039.299

-71

4

12

Bohemian Rhapsody

12.962

81

160

3.671.446

33.688.147

+13

43

13

Spider-Man - Far From Home

12.306

242

51

1.736.270

16.994.342

-62

8

14

Die drei !!!

12.301

519

24

335.884

2.193.822

-65

5

15

Und wer nimmt den Hund?

10.759

142

76

107.405

884.064

-63

3

16

Gloria

8.725

100

87

17.852

128.035

-

1

17

Qu'est-ce qu'on a encore fait au Bon Dieu?

8.129

15

542

1.335.107

10.837.003

+37

21

18

Der Junge muss an die frische Luft

7.125

78

91

3.729.799

30.887.781

-9

35

19

Annabelle 3

6.266

65

96

538.414

4.743.312

-66

8

20

Dolor y gloria

5.932

127

47

165.709

1.395.182

-62

5

Not a good weekend thanks to mostly fine weather … baaaad drops especially for family fare. I'm positively shocked about Benjamin Blümchen, the character is so present in every kid household that I though it a sure candidate for 1mil total.

Next weekend: Angel Has Fallen, Playmobil (bombs away?), The Operative, Paradise Hills, Little Monsters, some local releases … a LOT of stuff but nothing to really liven up the boxoffice. Maybe the horror-themed ones might see a little success thanks to little competition.

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9 hours ago, dada said:

Traumfabrik BO 3,915/1,008,783 AD 532/119,707

Traumfabrik have a  Bad performance in Germany, Austria and Switzerland - GermanSpeak.  However, lots of Chinese companies believe that the film will have a very very good performance in middle kingdom, and it box office is expected to  RMB350 million  (about 50M US dollars). I heard that many people are vying for its copyright, which is very very extremely crazy price.

That would be quite funny, especially doing more than La La Land. I read that Traumfabrik was referred to as "bad La La Land" by some here...

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So for this weekend we are in the unique position of the biggest movie getting 4 showings on Thursday-Saturday and 5 on Sunday. And that is... Toy Story 4.

The other two movies with 4 showing on Thursday-Saturday are Hollywood and TLK with TLK having 4 on Sunday too but Hollywood only 3. And Good Boys gets 4 showings too and 3 on Sunday like Hollywood.

So movies in there 3rd, 3rd, 7th and 2nd week have the most showings... Mmmh

 

EDIT: Really interested how this weekend will turn out, should overall be slightly more cinema friendly than the last. And Sunday/Monday temperatures are supposed to drop to 18-25 °C or so in all of Germany and then be a bit more rainy during the following weekend when It 2 opens, which would be really favourable to it's weekend (Horror AFAIK is a little less weather depended than other movies. Order of weather dependency is probably something like this: Arthouse < Horror ≤ Adult ≤ Superhero/Fantasy/Science-Fiction < Live Action movies < Animated movies. In other words: The higher the kids and family share the more dependent its on the weather. But! just because a movie is LA or animated doesn't mean that it will increase the next weekend.)

For this weekend I think that TLK and Hollywood both will have a rather low drop (hopefully both below 20%) but I think TS4 will have a harsher one, maybe around 30%. Thinking Playmobil will be the reason, that will hurt the "kids movie" TS more than TLK.

Also:

Despite the lower than expected weekends I still think TLK can hit 5.2M (was at 4.66M after the past weekend after the next one it should be at 4.76+M and then decreasing only a little (It 2 will hurt a little even if weather is way worse than this and last weekend) it would approach 4.86M and after that it should add 300-400k more.

Hollywood unless flat this weekend will fall short of 2M, maybe around 1.7M or so (likely right now would be below that but I am optimistic despite It2 most likely hurting this the most).

TS4 should be happy if it gets past 720k and avoids a sup-3x. 

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The bad news was already mentioned: The weekend weather is predicted to become too nice, at least on Friday and Saturday.
The good news is that Angel has Fallen still has good chances to become the biggest film of the series. First of all, it has not much to defend here: Olympus has Fallen got only 223 copies (which is a small to almost mediocre start) and had 145k total admissions/1.4M US$.
London Has Fallen started in 292 theaters and had 392k total admissions/3.5M US$.
Angel has Fallen gets 400 copies, G. Butler has become increasingly well known and popular here over the years and the advertisement seems to be decent too. E.g. I saw prime time TV-spots on RTL and P7 (the two biggest TV-stations for people aged 14-49) and London Has Fallen was broadcasted on RTL this weekend with good TV-rating so fans know that a third one is released.

Sold tickets (in recent years it were reservations but also now you can cancel them till a certain time) in mathäser so far (it's mostly in the second biggest cinema hall with 445 seats, OuaTiH remains in the biggest)
for Thursday: 21/77/2 = 100,
and for Friday 13/44/9/8 = 74.
Of course it could be that some tickets are canceled but maybe it has also in Europe very good walk ups.
For rough comps, Stuber had 26/26 (both times all showtimes combined) on its release day (30k admissions OW including previews).

And to put the audience in the right mood for It 2, at least a dozen Stephen King films are broadcastet in the coming days. Admittedly on small or medium-seized TV-stations in view of the „young“ viewers till 49 but nonetheless.

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Multipliers for the Top 10 for each year this decade:

Spoiler

Movie

Total adm

O Weekend

Multiplier

2019 TOP 10:

Endgame

5.125M

1.672M

3.07

The Lion King

4.659M

0.922M

5.05

Pets 2

2.274M

0.198M

11.48

HTTYD 3

2.258M

0.616M

3.67

Captain Marvel

2.074M

0.64M

3.24

Aladdin

1.941M

0.289M

6.72

Spider-Man: FFH

1.736M

0.434M

4

Green Book

1.536M

0.110M

13.96

Pokémon

1.421M

0.405M

3.51

Hobbs & Shaw

1.421M

0.492M

2.89

Endgame, TLK started on Wednesday

 

2018 TOP 10:

Fantastic Beasts 2

3.881M

0.995M

3.9

Junge

3.730M

0.543M

6.87

BR

3.371M

0.398M

9.22

Infinity War

3.457M

1.075M

3.22

Fifty Shades 3

3.008M

0.725M

4.14

Hotel Transylvania 3

2.553M

0.355M

7.19

Jurassic World 2

2.404M

0.574M

4.19

Grinch

2.280M

0.333M

6.85

Deadpool 2

2.242M

0.661M

3.39

Incredibles 2

2.199M

0.423M

5.20

HT 3 started on Monday, the number is just the 4-Day Weekend, Thursday to Sunday

 

2017 TOP 10:

Fack Ju Göhte 3

6.136M

1.726M

3.56

SW - TLJ

5.905M

1.627M

3.63

Despicable Me 3

4.65M

0.851M

5.46

Fifty Shades 2

3.457M

0.847M

4.08

B&tB

3.430M

0.864M

3.97

F&F 8

3.241M

1.145M

2.83

It

3.17M

0.937M

3.38

PotC 5

2.694M

0.577M

4.67

GotG 2

2.516M

0.75M

3.35

Bescheurte Herz

2.138M

0.159M

13.45

The last movie opened over Christmas Weekend (that means dead Sunday)

 

2016 TOP 10:

Rogue One

3.994M

1.001M

3.99

Finding Dory

3.922M

0.876M

4.48

Pets

3.848M

0.706M

5.45

Zootopia

3.845M

0.69M

5.57

Willkommen

3.839M

0.469M

8.19

Fantastic Beasts 1

3.539M

0.827M

4.28

Ice Age 5

2.925M

0.443M

6.6

The Revenant

2.827M

0.38M

7.44

Deadpool

2.738M

0.714M

3.83

Sing

2.472M

0.385M

6.42

 

2015 TOP 10:

SW - TFA

9.06M

2.139M

4.24

Fack Ju Göhte 2

7.734M

2.115M

3.66

Spectre

7.089M

1.681M

4.22

Minions

6.946M

0.935M

7.43

Fifty Shades 1

4.42M

1.353M

3.27

F&F 7

4.186M

1.334M

3.14

Jurassic World

4.148M

0.903M

4.59

Mockingjay 2

4.07M

1.143M

3.56

Inside Out

3.505M

0.642M

5.46

Er ist wieder da

2.485M

0.36M

6.9

 

2014 TOP 10:

Honig im Kopf

7.275M

0.678M

10.73

Hobbit 3

6.066M

1.278M

4.75

Mockingjay 1:

4.008M

1.184M

3.39

Monsieur Claude

3.934M

0.155M

25.38

HTTYD 2

2.735M

0.484M

5.65

Transformers 4

2.508M

0.697M

3.60

Wolf of Wall Street

2.401M

0.512M

4.69

Vaterfreuden

2.368M

0.483M

4.90

Paddington

2.064M

0.278M

7.42

GotG 

1.799M

0.463M

3.89

 

2013 Top 10:

Fack Ju Göhte

7.412M

0.872M

8.5

Hobbit 2

6.098M

1.259M

4.84

Frozen

4.767M

0.572M

8.33

Django Unchained

4.499M

0.750M

6.00

Catching Fire

3.744M

1.079M

3.47

Despicable Me 2

3,668M

0.521M

7.04

Medicus

3.634M

0.714M

5.09

Hangover 3

3.104M

1.273M

2.44

Fast & Furious 6

2.874M

0.802M

3.58

Kokowääh 2

2.749M

0.515M

5.34

 

2012 TOP 10:

Intouchables

9.160M

0.335M

27.34

Skyfall

7.826M

1.908M

4.10

Ice Age 4

6.700M

1.106M

6.06

Hobbit 1

6.689M

1.085M

6.16

Madagascar 3

3.973M

0.822M

4.83

Twilight 5

3.922M

1.267M

3.10

Ted

3.372M

0.710M

4.75

Dark Knight Rises

3.253M

0.857M

3.80

American Pie 4

2.521M

0.677M

3.72

Türkisch für Anfä.

2.393M

0.372M

6.43

 

 

 

2011 TOP 10:

Deathly Hallows 2

6.469M

1.608M

4.02

Pirates 3

4.397M

1.331M

3.30

Kokowääh

4.317M

0.838M

5.15

Hangover 2

4.09M

1.033M

3.96

Twilight 4

3.752M

1.066M

3.52

Puss in Boots

3.195M

0.558M

5.73

The Smurfs

2.722M

0.545M

4.99

Transformers 3

2.574M

0.836M

3.08

Fast & Furious 5

2.461M

0.824M

2.99

The King’s Speech

2.427M

0.214M

11.34

 

2010 TOP 10:

Deathly Hallow 1

5.836M

1.769M

3.30

Rapunzel

3.932M

0.572M

6.87

Twilight 3

3.862M

1.003M

3.85

Inception

3.426M

0.621M

5.52

Alice in Wonderland

2.968M

0.544M

5.46

Sex and the City 2

2.569M

0.596M

4.31

Despicable Me

2.508M

0.437M

5.74

Forever Shrek

2.437M

0.394M

6.19

Kindsköpfe

2.097M

0.549M

3.82

Sherlock Holmes

1.731M

0.416M

4.16

 

 

Explanations:

Totals for 2019 as of 25th August.

As totals for the first run aren’t really available I added the open-air numbers for BR and Junge and the double Feature for IW as I think HP has double features in the total too but I don’t know to which extent.

 

Interesting things:

Out of 100! movies only 3 (H&S is below it too right now but first won't end up in the yearly Top 10 (It 2, Frozen and RTOS will make sure of that along with most likely one or two other movies and second will add enough to get past 1.5M) missed a 3x and that were Fast 5 with a 2.99x (0.824M opening and 2.461M total), Fast 8 with a 2.83x (1.145M opening and 3.241M total) and Hangover 2 with a 2.44x (1.273M opening and 3.104M total).

Hangover had awful legs, damn.

 

For the Years 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 the movie with the most admissions sold had a better multi than the second highest. For the Years 2010, 2016, 2017, 2018 it was the other way around.

For 2019 its unknown right now it would be second place with the better multi but when TLK tops Endgame it would be the other way around until most likely RTOS will top TLK and that most likely will have a worse multi than TLK.

 

 

How often did a movie in the Yearly Top 10 miss a 4x:

2019: 5

2018: 3

2017:6

2016: 2 (3.83x and 3.99x)

2015: 4

2014: 3

2013: 3

2012: 3

2011: 5

2010: 3

So bad multipliers have always been around.

 

Worst Multis (Bottom 11):

Hangover 3: 2.44x

Fast 8: 2.83x

Fast 5: 2.99x

 

Endgame: 3.07x

Transformers 3: 3.08x

Twillight 5: 3.10x

Fast 7: 3.14x

Infinty War: 3.22x (Thinking 3.16x without Double Features)

Fifty Shades 1: 3.27x

Pirates 3: 3.30x

Deathly Hallow 1: 3.30x (slightly better than Pirates)

3 Fast and Furious films, would be a fourth with H&S if that wouldn’t have a too low total to appear in the yearly Top 10 and two Avengers movies. 

 

Top Multis (Top 10):

Intouchables: 27.34x

Monsieur Claude: 25.38x

Green Book: 13.96x

Bescheurte Herz: 13.45x

Pets 2: 11.48x

The King’s Speech: 11.34x

Honig Im Kopf: 10.73x

Bohemian Rhapsody: 9.22x

Fack Ju Göhte: 8.5x

Frozen: 8.33x

 

Best year for respective place:

#1: 2012 (9.160M)

#2: 2012 (7.826M)

#3: 2015 (7.089M)

#4: 2015 (6.946M)

#5: 2015 (4.420M)

#6: 2015 (4.186M)

#7: 2015 (4.148M)

#8: 2015 (4.070M)

#9: 2015 (3.505M)

#10: 2013 (2.749M)

 

2015 had a lot of strong movies which is reflected in this list, the top 2 for 2015 are only 100k behind the 2012 ones in #1 and #2. #3 and #4 in 2012 are 390k and 250k behind the 2015 ones.

Based on this one can guess the best years this year:

#1: 2015 (139.2M)

#2: 2012 135.1M

#3: 2013 (129.7M)

#4: 2011 (129.6M)

 

How many movies about the respective milestone:

9M (3x Goldene Leinwand):

2019: 0

2018: 0

2017: 0

2016: 0

2015: 1

2014: 0

2013: 0

2012: 1

2011: 0

2010: 0

 

6M (2x Goldene Leinwand):

2019: 0 (0/1 TROS has a solid shot)

2018: 0

2017: 1

2016: 0

2015: 4

2014: 2

2013: 2

2012: 4

2011: 1

2010: 0

 

4M:

2019: 2 (4: Endgame, TLK, Frozen 2, TROS)

2018: 0

2017: 3

2016: 0 

2015: 8

2014: 3

2013: 4

2012: 4

2011: 4

2010: 1

 

2012 had 4 movies above 6.68M but no movie between that and 4M.

3M (Goldene Leinwand):

2019: 2 (4 as above, maybe It 2 too, so 5 and maybe the Udo Lindberg movie)

2018: 5

2017: 7

2016: 6

2015: 9

2014: 4

2013: 8

2012: 8

2011: 6

2010: 4

8

 

TL;DR:

Only 3 movies ever missed a 3x in Germany, around 60% get above a 4x in the yearly top 10.

 

 

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On 8/28/2019 at 6:01 AM, Aristis said:

That would be quite funny, especially doing more than La La Land. I read that Traumfabrik was referred to as "bad La La Land" by some here...

Thanks. This is a traditional love song and dance film, and I don't believe it will be welcomed in the Chinese market. I suspect that the recent popularity of Romantic movies has created an illusion.

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57 minutes ago, George Parr said:

Nice list, though there is one minor correction that I would suggest: 2012 needs to have a 1 instead of a 0 in the list of movies above the 9m mark, as Intouchables stands at 9.2m.

Haha, forgot that, fixed it now, thanks.

 

8 hours ago, CoolK said:

of course SLOP2 does wayy better than TS4 in germany :Gaga:

Yeah... Germany... sometimes a weird taste in movies...

51 minutes ago, Brainbug said:

 

We as a country just like to humiliate ourselves.

True

 

Regarding TS4:

Total it would need for a multi (238.3k opening weekend * multi = needed total)*:

2.8: 667k

2.9: 691k

3.0: 715k

3.1: 739k

It's heading here right now.

3.2: 763k

3.3: 786k

3.4: 810k

3.5: 834k

3.6: 858k

3.7: 882k

3.8: 906k

3.9: 929k

4.0: 953k

 

 

* due to rounding everything above 655350 (2.750001049x) would be a 2.8x. With a 2.80 (so 2.795-2.804) it would need to be above 666k

 

I know the comb is kinda shaky but among the 10 yearly Top 10s its multi would be seventh or eight worst multi!

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On 8/23/2019 at 11:01 AM, Taruseth said:

So weekdays for TLK were 125k.

 

Some further thursday numbers and €/$ for Hollywood and TLK:

Hollywood: 50k (€450k ≈ $500k)

TLK: 26k (€230k ≈ $255k)

Leberkäs: 23k (€200k ≈ $220k)

Good Boys: 20k (€155k ≈ $170k)

H&S: 14.5k (€130k ≈ $145k)

 

Crawl: 4k (€35k ≈ $39k)

Stuber: 3.6k (€30k ≈ $33k)

Gloria: 2k (€13.5k ≈ $15k)

I am Mother: 1k (8.6k ≈ $9.55k)

 

This are the comps to last Thursday:

So Hollywood dropped 50%, TLK dropped 65%, Leberkäs doesn't matter as it had a holiday last week in Bavaria and Bavaria already had really hot weather last Saturday and Sunday so the IM last weekend was like a 2.5 or so.

As you see TS4 wasn't even reported so it isn't part of the top 5, so probably around 12-13k, which would be a drop of 76%.

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Thursday actuals (blickpunkt:film):

Hollywood: 30k (€290k ≈ $320k)

TLK: 20k (€165k ≈ $182.5k) *

Angel Has Fallen: 16k (€140k ≈ $155k)

Good Boys: 12.5k (€100k ≈ $110k)

Leber: 11.5k (€95k ≈ $105k)

 

 

Playmobil: 6k (€40k ≈ $44k)

Mein Lotta Leben: 4k (€25k ≈ $27.5k)

 

Late Night: 2.5k (€21k ≈ $23k)

 

* This ATP looks wrong, that would be quite a harsh drop. Honestly think 20k would mean like €175-180k

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1st Trend:

 

OUATIH 185k (-10%) 1,175M

TLK 125k (-4%) 4,835M

Angel has Fallen 100k

Good Boys 75k (-21%/-33%) 220k

TS4 60k (-32%) 490k

Leberkäs 55k (-35%) 995k

H&S 50k (-42%) 1,5M

 

Great drops for the Top2. With next WE hopefully being worse weatherwise and IT2 not being real competition (other than for screens) TLK may get close to 5M already.

Awful for TS4 - I hope it can improve on that...

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