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14 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

I have no idea about TLK (not a movie I'd watch and as such no interest to look into background...), the same counts for TS4.

Avengers 4 is a possibility if:

- the quality is at least equal to Avenger 3 or preferable better

- the mood in the movie supports the wish to re-watch it (a lot), sad ending stories usually/mostly get not equally re-watched. Ppl that re-watch push often their friends / family to go with them, a few of those can do the same later on too.

- the marketing is very good

- the translations are very good

- no local event.... hinders in one of the big earner countries the interest

- no scandal....

 

1 Avengers: Infinity War BV $2,048.4 $678.8 33.1% $1,369.5 66.9% 2018

 

It would be an increase of less than 5%

 

+ or -

- Exchange rates.... might be a problem, we do not know how those will be in April, May,.... so if it is final sum in $ friendly...

ot the other way around, can hinder

 

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the rumoured runtime can be a bit of a problem too (not a must, can) as the screen-times possible per cinema is during the usual operating times reduced. Average films I feel like are around 2 hours mostly (not the average out of all movies!), If it is really 3 hours long.....

Extra fees for over-length does not counter-balance the missed screen times if the run time is that long

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IW was an absolut monster almost everywhere, I just think that it might not be that easy to do that again.

Also IW was advertised as the big movie and that I think might hurt Endgame a bit.

And maybe I am a little biased. I just don't really like superhero movies. 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Taruseth said:

IW was an absolut monster almost everywhere, I just think that it might not be that easy to do that again.

Also IW was advertised as the big movie and that I think might hurt Endgame a bit.

And maybe I am a little biased. I just don't really like superhero movies.

The amount seems to be an average out of 16 amounts,, if I understand that right

 

There is no question, its not simple, nor a certainty it will reach $2b, but see earlier there is a possibility to reach it or more too.

 

I am not into the prediction game, I prefer to work with the finals by far, so I am more curious to see how many ppl and who will have guessed right, and if there were special circumstances that did hinder or help the results per country or region.

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28 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

The amount seems to be an average out of 16 amounts,, if I understand that right

 

There is no question, its not simple, nor a certainty it will reach $2b, but see earlier there is a possibility to reach it or more too.

 

I am not into the prediction game, I prefer to work with the finals by far, so I am more curious to see how many ppl and who will have guessed right, and if there were special circumstances that did hinder or help the results per country or region.

Yeah, you can send in yours and Mark calculates the average.

 

 

I always take guesses and I am proper bad at those, like really really bad🤣

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34 minutes ago, scabab said:

Didn't Dragon Ball Super release in Germany this week?

MarkG wrote on Wednesday: "DRAGON BALL war gestern übrigens der Nr. 1-Film - mit den gestrigen Zahlen wäre er am Wochenende auf Rang 7 gewesen..."

 

So DB seem to have been 1st on Tuesday and its admissions would have been enough to be 7th at the WE. So it should have had around 65k to 75k on Tuesday.

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Seems indeed like a very nice day for family films (Ralph at 290k admissions in the third trend e.g.).
But the rest is also quite stable in the final trend: Creed II stays at 140k, Instant Family 140k with previews, Green Book 130k with previews, Glass 120k.

And I completely forgot that How To Train Your Dragon 3 - which officially starts here on Thursday - has previews today which should result in 50-100k admissions for Sunday. And according to the Sunday reports of insidekino.de/forum it looks pretty good for the movie, more like it could reach the higher end of the predictions for today.

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The Monday update from insidekino.de:

#1 Ralph II 277.5k/767.5k
#2 Der Junge 180k/2.780M
#3 Creed II 145k/405k
#4 Glass 122.5k/645k
#5 Mia And The White Lion 120k/135k
#6 Green Book 110k/140k
#7 Instant Family 102.5k/137.5k
#8 Immenhof 72.5/365k
#9 Checker Tobi 70k/90k
#10 BR 67.5k/3.020M
#11 The Possession 52.5k/65k
#12 Aquaman 40k/1.895M
#13 Second Act 40k/275k
#14 Feuerwehrmann Sam 32.5k/345k
#15 The Favourite 30k/100k
#16 Mary Queen of Scots 22.5k/145K
#17 A Dog's Way Home 20k/70k
#18 The Mule 20k/22.5k
#19 100 Dinge 20k/1.430M
 

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Germany's Top20 last weekend:

 

title

admissions

th.

PTA

total adm.

total €

drop

week

1

Ralph 2

278.059

610

456

769.204

6.036.470

-25

2

2

Der Junge muss an die frische Luft

179.733

839

214

2.780.095

23.535.961

-13

6

3

Creed 2

145.121

416

349

403.866

3.635.374

-26

2

4

Glass

122.171

584

209

647.434

5.999.628

-28

3

5

Mia et le Lion Blanc

120.956

425

285

134.313

959.681

-

1

6

Green Book

109.773

173

635

146.067

1.247.245

-

1

7

Instant Family

102.326

406

252

140.483

1.100.968

-

1

8

Immenhof - Das Abenteuer eines Sommers

71.805

654

110

361.104

2.506.201

-29

3

9

Checker Tobi und das Geheimnis unseres Planeten

70.562

262

269

90.078

593.344

-

1

10

Bohemian Rhapsody

66.911

568

118

3.018.271

27.971.169

-10

14

11

The Possession of Hannah Grace

51.585

207

249

62.757

523.515

-

1

12

Second Act

40.201

384

105

276.250

2.308.234

-37

3

13

Aquaman

40.164

352

114

1.894.122

20.957.592

-35

7

-

MET: Carmen

37.611

211

178

37.611

1.100.900

-

1

14

Feuerwehrmann Sam - Plötzlich Filmheld!

33.973

577

59

345.451

2.187.760

-37

5

15

The Favourite

32.083

116

277

104.122

838.383

-24

2

16

Mary Queen of Scots

23.625

191

124

142.748

1.260.035

-33

3

17

A Dog's Way Home

20.841

226

92

64.143

455.373

-44

2

18

The Mule

20.590

105

196

22.518

195.412

-

1

19

100 Dinge

19.793

287

69

1.423.592

12.105.739

-39

9

20

Der kleine Drache Kokosnuss

18.389

390

47

369.054

2.430.913

-30

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A rather perfect weekend; here I was thinking that Instant Family would be the only "big" opener and now it's only third among openers (but still >100k). Green Book is the surprise of the weekend, with its PTA it should see an expansion and might be in for a very healthy run. Bohemian Rhapsody is now finally a blockbuster, well done! And Der Junge muss an die frische Luft continues with a strong hold and will become the fifth 3mil-grosser of 2018.

Next weekend: How To Tame Your Dragon 3 will win the weekend, and The LEGO Movie 2 will also attract some business, should be enough for at least #3, so a lot of new competition in the family sector - steeper drops guaranteed!

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5 hours ago, IndustriousAngel said:

Next weekend: How To Tame Your Dragon 3 will win the weekend, and The LEGO Movie 2 will also attract some business, should be enough for at least #3, so a lot of new competition in the family sector - steeper drops guaranteed!

I really don't know who thought that would be a good idea. Not only HTTYD3 and Lego in one WE but Ralph only in its 3rd... That is especially sad for LM2 - I loved the first but it was rather disappointing in Germany and now the 2nd has to deal with a (sadly) much more beloved franchise... I hope it may still be able to reach 1M in the end which would be down significantly from the first ones 1,3M...

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So the year was better than first though, but still absolutely awful, with 105.4M admissions sold, that means the lowest year since 1990.

The gross dropped to just €899.3M, that is below the years 2009-2017, 2001 (987M) and 2001 (960M) and barely above 2004 (by just a few millions!) 

The average ticket price dropped a litte from €8.63 to €8.54 (first time since 2002-2003), but that's because 3D share dropped from 21.5 to 16.9%

 

Germany now has 905 (+ 6) Cinema locations with 4849 (+46) screens and 795,686 (+6407) seats.

 

Source: FFA

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Ofiicial FFA-#

 

Die Filmförderungsanstalt gab die offiziellen Ergebnisse des Jahres 2018 bekannt:

 

admissions minus 13,8 %  / 16.9m (2017 = 122,3m admissions).

Euro minus 14,8 % = 2017 = €1,1056.1m to 2018 = €899.3 Mio..

average ticket price minus 1,0 % - 2017 = €8,63 - 2018 = €8,54.

local part in 2017 = 23,9 % / 28.3m - 2018 = 23,5 % / 24.6m

3D part admissions 2017 = 21,5 % / 25.5m to now only 16,3 % / 17.1m

 

screens increased 46 to 4.849, cinemas increased too 899 to 905.

 

  2018 2017 2016 2015 2014 2013 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 2000 1999 1998
admissions 105,4 122,3 121,1 139,2 121,7 129,7 135,1 129,6 126,6 143,6 129,4 125,4 136,7 127,3 156,7 149,0 163,9 177,9 152,5 149,0 148,9
899,3 1.056,1 1.023,0 1.167,1 979,7 1.023,0 1.033,0 958,1 920,4 976,1 794,7 757,9 814,4 745,0 892,9 850,0 960,1 987,2 824,5 808,1 818,2
av. ticket 8,54 8,63 8,45 8,39 8,05 7,89 7,65 7,39 7,27 6,67 6,14 6,04 5,96 5,85 5,70 5,70 5,86 5,55 5,41 5,42 5,50
cinemas 905 899 892 893 883 890 909 926 954 976 1.001 1.016 1.021 1.035 1.033 1.032 1.049 1.043 1.054 1.064 1.073
screens 4.849 4.803 4.739 4.692 4.637 4.610 4.617 4.640 4.699 4.734 4.810 4.832 4.848 4.889 4.870 4.868 4.868 4.792 4.783 4.651 4.435
% FLd_small.png 23,5 23,9 22,7 27,5 26,7 26,2 18,1 21,8 16,8 27,4 26,6 18,9 25,8 17,1 23,8 17,5 11,9 18,4 12,5 14,0 9,5
% 3D 16,3 21,5 25,6 21,9 22,3 24,4 21,8 22,8 20,4                        

 

 

105.4m admissions means the lowest amount since the re-unification of Germany in 1990 (102.5m), but with now ~ 1000 screens more and

Germany having 3.1m more inhabitants.

 

For the fist time since 2003 ...average ticket less than the year before, but as the part of the expensive 3D ticket fell considerable, the 2D ticket prizes did grow farther on...

 

Since 2001, the modern (time) record year, the admissions fell 41 % / 72.5m - in average nearly 1.4m per week!!! ...

roughly translated

German

http://www.insidekino.com/News.htm#Mittwoch_6._Februar_2019

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2018 was just the worst case scenario imo:

 

-World Cup

-cold spring and practically non-existent autumn, leaving people at home waiting for the summer and then

-Summer heat wave with record temperatures

and most importantly:

 

The Movies released in 2018 were mostly not at all appealing to many Germans. What the people in our country seem to like the most are

 

1) epic Fantasy storys (LOTR, Harry Potter, Star Wars etc.)

2) Well-made comedys or comedys that hit the zeitgeist (Untouchables, Schuh des Manitu, Fak ju Göte etc.)

3) Animated movies mostly targeted at younger children/familys (Shrek, Ice Age, Minions etc but not Pixar for example)

 

Superhero movies are dominating the planet right now. And that particular genre is just not really selling all that well here.

 

Moreover, moviegoing isnt as important here than in the UK, US or the growing asian markets. Its just one of many options to spend an evening with. And with the tickets becoming more expensive every year and fucking 3D still not dying, im not shocked that 2018 was such a disaster.

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First estimates for Germany from insidekino.de:

#1: HTTYD3 - 750k incl. prestart, excellent!

#2: Ralph2 - 175k (-37%, expected with the big opener)

#3: Lego2 - 135k incl. previews

#4: Der Junge muss ... 130k (-28%)

#5/6: Mia and GreenBook with 110k each (both more or less flat from last weekend)

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53 minutes ago, IndustriousAngel said:

First estimates for Germany from insidekino.de:

#1: HTTYD3 - 750k incl. prestart, excellent!

#2: Ralph2 - 175k (-37%, expected with the big opener)

#3: Lego2 - 135k incl. previews

#4: Der Junge muss ... 130k (-28%)

#5/6: Mia and GreenBook with 110k each (both more or less flat from last weekend)

That's just awfull for Lego2! :( It opens below Lego1 (253k/1,31M), Lego Batman (258k/900k) and even Lego Ninjago (158k/735k), which itself kinda flopped! Even considering the bad situation it faces I wouldn't have expected this.

I hope it may rise with the estimates but I'm not confident... :(

However, that's great for HTTYD3 and some holdovers, too.

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And too late (both pages were bad gateway) some Thursday actuals (source Blickpunkt:Film):

The new releases:

How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World (released in 665 theaters; the predecessors had 1.63M respectively 2.73M visitors in total): 61k/ 624k US$
The LEGO Movie 2: The Second Part (460, the first one had 1.31M total admissions): 10k
Die Rückkehr des Pokals (Eintracht Frankfurt docu): 2.1k
The Prodigy (189): 1.8k → 17.5k admissions OW in the first trend
Holmes & Watson (104): ?k → 10k OW

The holdovers:

Der Junge: 15.5k (actuals last Thursday 21k)
Green Book: 13k (12k) - very good
Ralph II: 12k whole day (actuals last Thursday whole day 21k)

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