eddyxx Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Verrows said: It's probably because people associate mutants with the X-Men. Namor and Ms. Marvel being mutants in the MCU didn't provoke anything in me because it feels a little forced and "not right". Hint at any classic mutant characters and that will get a reaction. Namor is a mutant in the comics though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verrows Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, eddyxx said: Namor is a mutant in the comics though. Oh..... Well gee don't I feel stupid. The point kinda still stands though. Many people, like me, probably don't know that there is comic precedent for it. They strictly associate mutants with X-Men. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honeycookiez Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 44 minutes ago, eddyxx said: I think it's such a relief that phase 4 ended with BP2 and especially the introduction of Namor, the fact that MCU Namor's origin got changed has turned out to be one of the new cool aspects of him, how social media is reacting to Namor now pretty much proves that Marvel has succeeded in bringing Namor to the big screen, the characteristics are very much on point, the fact that a lot of female audiences are still in awe with Namor even tho he impaled Shuri and murdered her mother is exactly what I expected Marvel to do and luckily this time they didn't fail me like what Taika did to Gorr. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verrows Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, honeycookiez said: I think it's such a relief that phase 4 ended with BP2 and especially the introduction of Namor, the fact that MCU Namor's origin got changed has turned out to be one of the new cool aspects of him, how social media is reacting to Namor now pretty much proves that Marvel has succeeded in bringing Namor to the big screen, the characteristics are very much on point, the fact that a lot of female audiences are still in awe with Namor even tho he impaled Shuri and murdered her mother is exactly what I expected Marvel to do and luckily this time they didn't fail me like what Taika did to Gorr. Which is saying something because Gorr was still far and away the best thing about Thor: Love and Thunder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedijake Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) I've seen some complaints, and now it makes sense, that the final battle seemed very small scale considering the stakes. I get it. I really do. However, I don't think you necessarily want a LOTR, Endgame type battle from one movie. Maybe they will fight again, maybe they will not, but there were reasons we didn't see such a battle. (1) Like I said, it's hard to have such a battle after one film's worth of conflict. (2) There's NO way Ryan or anyone could EVER have pulled that off with the time constraint they had for post-production. Way too much in way too short of time span. The conflict would have gotten bigger had Namor not have been defeated. That was the main conflict-between Namor and Shuri. NWH was small scale also and VERY sloppy. Same issue-short time span. Yes, of course you had a 3 vs 5 battle to start with, but we saw the same post-production issues. May not be a popular opinion, but I liked BP2 better than NWH. Edited November 13, 2022 by jedijake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honeycookiez Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 15 minutes ago, Verrows said: Which is saying something because Gorr was still far and away the best thing about Thor: Love and Thunder. Yeah, to be fair it's just me, I don't like how Taika humanized Gorr and gave him a quick redemption. On the other hand, what they did with Namor was pretty amazing. Namor in the comic is a charming, slutty, smug ah*le, you would feel like he could bang any female, even a monster (and of course he did!), he usually used his special "skills" to negotiate with women and "hypnotize" them! and it's exactly what he did to Shuri (and the female audience, lol). Can't wait to see the first encounter of Namor and Sue Storm in MCU. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menor the Destroyer Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 I think the final battle being relatively small was a good choice, but the specifics of it could've been done better, especially in terms of the tactics the Wakandans employed. I loved the duel between Namor and Shuri though, it felt very raw and the beach was also a neat setting to stage it in. One of the areas where I thought this film improved over the first, T'Challa's final duel against Killmonger was underwhelming. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnokesLegs Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Really didn’t know what to make of this as I left the theatre, there’s a lot of stuff I liked, but having just rewatched the original the other night, I couldn’t help but feel the giant gaping chasm left by the loss of Chadwick Boseman. It just kind of left me feeling a bit sad. The film was at its best when it was just doing its own thing though, but whenever they tried to shoehorn in references to the wider MCU I felt that it stumbled. RiRi just having a fully equipped Iron Man suit felt unnecessary (it’d have been better to just have her as a tech prodigy in this, and then have her develop that kind of armour after going home in the Ironheart series), and as much as I like Julia Louis Dreyfuss, she was completely superfluous here. Letitia Wright, Danai Gurira, Lupita Nyong’o and Angela Bassett were all great though. They carry the film perfectly. It also has to be said that Ryan Coogler worked a miracle with this given the circumstances. I feel like I need to watch it again to really make my mind up on it. I appreciated them doing something a bit different to the usual MCU formula with this though. No sky portals is always a win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedijake Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 How did Shuri survive being impaled straight through her body without any real damage? I was confused by that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourCake Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Menor Reborn said: I think the final battle being relatively small was a good choice, but the specifics of it could've been done better, especially in terms of the tactics the Wakandans employed. I loved the duel between Namor and Shuri though, it felt very raw and the beach was also a neat setting to stage it in. One of the areas where I thought this film improved over the first, T'Challa's final duel against Killmonger was underwhelming. Indeed, I love the rawness of the fights in this film, the fight scene on the bridge is my favorite, I could easily feel the brutalness of it when I first watched it at the theatre, I was afraid that Attuma would kill Okoye at any moment. The last time I saw this kind of fighting was probably ...Winter Soldier. Arguably they can't have a big battle because there aren't many soldiers left, the other tribes didn't want to join, M'baku was forced to do it so he quickly gathered some, Nakia was just there to protect the last living member of her late husband's in-law family. And I don't think Shuri would expect the remaining soldiers and the midnight angels got beaten by Talokani that fast tho. Edited November 14, 2022 by YourCake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deja23 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 55 minutes ago, jedijake said: How did Shuri survive being impaled straight through her body without any real damage? I was confused by that. The “power of the Black Panther” 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menor the Destroyer Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, jedijake said: How did Shuri survive being impaled straight through her body without any real damage? I was confused by that. I mean T'Challa survived getting stabbed and chunked off a cliff and seemed pretty much fine once he was given the herb, so I'm guessing the herb has some serious healing power. Edited November 14, 2022 by Menor Reborn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctis Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 I liked Letitia in this and I was someone who found her annoying in the first film. But let's be honest...Nakia would have been the best if we were going on acting alone. Lupita's charisma is so much stronger than Letitia's. And let's not mention Bassett - fucking goddess. But I understand that on a storyline level and thematically, it did make sense for Shuri. But I wonder how much the next time jump will be? 10 years? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctis Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 4 hours ago, jedijake said: How did Shuri survive being impaled straight through her body without any real damage? I was confused by that. That was my only gripe with the final fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 16 hours ago, Torontofan said: So is the vibranium in the Mayan area from the asteroid that killed the dinos ? only if the vibranium that landed in the savage land saved them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorddemaxus Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 I missed the first 5 minutes or so of the film, but it seems like they had a funeral for Tchalla or something? Kinda funny that they had 3 funerals for the same guy (I assume they had one when he "died" in Infinity War). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddyxx Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 11 hours ago, SnokesLegs said: Really didn’t know what to make of this as I left the theatre, there’s a lot of stuff I liked, but having just rewatched the original the other night, I couldn’t help but feel the giant gaping chasm left by the loss of Chadwick Boseman. It just kind of left me feeling a bit sad. The film was at its best when it was just doing its own thing though, but whenever they tried to shoehorn in references to the wider MCU I felt that it stumbled. RiRi just having a fully equipped Iron Man suit felt unnecessary (it’d have been better to just have her as a tech prodigy in this, and then have her develop that kind of armour after going home in the Ironheart series), and as much as I like Julia Louis Dreyfuss, she was completely superfluous here. Letitia Wright, Danai Gurira, Lupita Nyong’o and Angela Bassett were all great though. They carry the film perfectly. It also has to be said that Ryan Coogler worked a miracle with this given the circumstances. I feel like I need to watch it again to really make my mind up on it. I appreciated them doing something a bit different to the usual MCU formula with this though. No sky portals is always a win. lol did you write this same post months ago? I feel like I read that first paragraph before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedijake Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 5 hours ago, Noctis said: That was my only gripe with the final fight. My wife said that Shuri said the new suit was designed with self-healing powers. I missed that. Did she say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnokesLegs Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 1 hour ago, eddyxx said: lol did you write this same post months ago? I feel like I read that first paragraph before. Not as far as I’m aware, although I think I was kind of 50/50 on Doctor Strange a few months back so might have written something similar minus the Chadwick stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menor the Destroyer Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 7 hours ago, Noctis said: I liked Letitia in this and I was someone who found her annoying in the first film. But let's be honest...Nakia would have been the best if we were going on acting alone. Lupita's charisma is so much stronger than Letitia's. And let's not mention Bassett - fucking goddess. But I understand that on a storyline level and thematically, it did make sense for Shuri. But I wonder how much the next time jump will be? 10 years? I disagree, Letitia crushed it in this film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...