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[MovieMan89]

7 minutes ago, redfirebird2008 said:

 

I have a lot of respect for Cameron's ability as a director. But I find it sad as a moviegoer that he has spent 25 years on two Avatar movies and will continue spending so much of his time on this franchise for years to come. I feel like we're missing out on some other cool stuff that Cameron might be able to come up with. 

If he had to create new characters from scratch, he’d just fall back on hero’s journey or other cliche tropes again though. Better he can build on existing lore/characters I’d say, because he hasn’t been particularly creative in that department for decades. The technical side is his jam, and hard to imagine a better canvas than the Avatar universe for that aspect. Idk if I feel like we’re “missing” much from him by this being his focus for so long… franchise feels like the right fit for his skills. 

[M37]

56 minutes ago, JustLurking said:

All the cbms on that list (which is, all cbms from this year other than morbius pretty much) were underestimated rather than over, so I don't see where they overestimated pre-sale heavy films at all, this year anyways. Except Thor, I guess, and even that was barely.

But Black Adam and Black Panther were both more late sale/walk-up heavy than traditional CBMs like Batman and Thor which were basically right (the miss on MoM does stand out a bit), plus throw JWD in that walk-up group

[Grebacio]

1 hour ago, Korra Legion said:

The bingo card knows all *spooky fortune teller sfx*

 

It was I1, yeah

There was also a bit of "Why is Wakanda Forever bombing?" discussion so mark O2 as well

[Deep Wang]

12 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:

I still don’t know why on earth anyone would rule out a Cameron film performing like a Cameron film (i.e. crazy multis everywhere)? Those early Twitter critic reactions/tracking tricked me into thinking this could behave more like a typical big sequel opening and then have the Cameron multi too, but the reality may be more of a typical Cameron opening/typical Cameron multi. In which case it would still be massive. 

 

Because only two of his movies have had 'crazy multis everywhere'?

 

1984) Terminator - 9.54x vs

          Beverly Hills Cop 15.43x

          Ghostbusters 16.88x

1986) Aliens - 8.41x

          Top Gun and Crocodile Dundee both with about 21.5x

1989) Abyss - 5.82

          Look Who's Talking 11.57x

          Honey, I Shrunk the Kids 9.16

1991) T2 3day - 6.44x/T2 5day - 3.91x

          Prince of Thieves 6.45x

          Silence of the Lambs 9.49

1994) True Lies - 5.65x

          Forrest Gump 13.48x

          Speed 8.39x

 

It's going to have good to great legs (3-3.99x 😜), but he can't keep that pace of insane legs up forever, especially the further and further he gets into sequels. 

 

[XXRDJisDoctorDoom]

12 minutes ago, Grebacio said:

@XXR Tulkun Rider regarding the OW Contest, i only count 74 conestants intead of 78.
I oredered the numbers from lowest to highest and this is how it looks 

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I will check when I get home tonight and see where our differences lie.

[MovieMan89]

2 minutes ago, Deep Wang said:

 

Because only two of his movies have had 'crazy multis everywhere'?

 

1984) Terminator - 9.54x vs

          Beverly Hills Cop 15.43x

          Ghostbusters 16.88x

1986) Aliens - 8.41x

          Top Gun and Crocodile Dundee both with about 21.5x

1989) Abyss - 5.82

          Look Who's Talking 11.57x

          Honey, I Shrunk the Kids 9.16

1991) T2 3day - 6.44x/T2 5day - 3.91x

          Prince of Thieves 6.45x

          Silence of the Lambs 9.49

1994) True Lies - 5.65x

          Forrest Gump 13.48x

          Speed 8.39x

 

It's going to have good to great legs (3-3.99x 😜), but he can't keep that pace of insane legs up forever, especially the further and further he gets into sequels. 

 

Well yeah he can’t keep the pace up of 10x like Avatar just like Avatar couldn’t keep the pace up of whatever absurd multi Titanic ended with bc those weren’t realistic in their day and age. Still think it can totally do something akin to TGM, which is prob not that far off to being equivalent to what Avatar’s multi was in this era of box office. 

[Menor the Destroyer]

12 minutes ago, M37 said:

But Black Adam and Black Panther were both more late sale/walk-up heavy than traditional CBMs like Batman and Thor which were basically right (the miss on MoM does stand out a bit), plus throw JWD in that walk-up group

Hmm, BP2 wasn't actually super walkup-heavy on Fri. More so than DS2, sure, but not to an incredible extent. From what I remember, presales early in the day were slightly below DS2, actual ended up slightly above. 

Edited December 16, 2022 by Menor Reborn

[ZattMurdock]

5 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:

If he had to create new characters from scratch, he’d just fall back on hero’s journey or other cliche tropes again though. Better he can build on existing lore/characters I’d say, because he hasn’t been particularly creative in that department for decades. The technical side is his jam, and hard to imagine a better canvas than the Avatar universe for that aspect. Idk if I feel like we’re “missing” much from him by this being his focus for so long… franchise feels like the right fit for his skills. 

I’m sincerely not sure if we actually want more of Cameron’s take on colonialism, how ‘women these days aren’t featured as heroines as pregnant mothers’ (seriously that Variety interview with Rodriguez was eye rolling) and stuff like that.
 

I think it felt outdated and one of the biggest criticisms thrown at the first Avatar back in the day that stings even harder now. I might not love that I don’t get more blockbusters from Spielberg, but I’m extremely glad and hyped that Lucasfilm and Spielberg allowed Mangold to play on the Indy’s sandbox. Also it doesn’t hurt that Spielberg and other of Cameron’s contemporaries are trying new stuff. I love Nolan’s Batman, but I don’t need him to direct 9 Batman films, or an Inception trilogy for that matter.
 

 

[SchumacherFTW]

5 minutes ago, Deep Wang said:

 

Because only two of his movies have had 'crazy multis everywhere'?

 

1984) Terminator - 9.54x vs

          Beverly Hills Cop 15.43x

          Ghostbusters 16.88x

1986) Aliens - 8.41x

          Top Gun and Crocodile Dundee both with about 21.5x

1989) Abyss - 5.82

          Look Who's Talking 11.57x

          Honey, I Shrunk the Kids 9.16

1991) T2 3day - 6.44x/T2 5day - 3.91x

          Prince of Thieves 6.45x

          Silence of the Lambs 9.49

1994) True Lies - 5.65x

          Forrest Gump 13.48x

          Speed 8.39x

 

It's going to have good to great legs (3-3.99x 😜), but he can't keep that pace of insane legs up forever, especially the further and further he gets into sequels. 

 

3.7x 👀

[Cap]

28 minutes ago, OncomingStorm93 said:

What were people expecting?

[BluKyberCrystal]

RT critics score has dipped under 80% and the verified score down to 94%.

[Jake Gittes]

5 minutes ago, Cap said:

 

When I think of asses, a Na'vi ass..,, somethin comes outta me. 

[Menor the Destroyer]

14 minutes ago, Alligator Zatt said:

Also it doesn’t hurt that Spielberg and other of Cameron’s contemporaries are trying new stuff. 
 

 

Well what Cameron is doing these days is more interesting than what Spielberg is doing. 

[ZeeSoh]

1 hour ago, Nero said:

@ZeeSoh when are you going to watch avatar 2?

I wanna see it in IMAX and the only closest IMAX to me (PVR) has tickets starting at 1000+ and going all the way to 1900 for shows after 12pm (AM shows price start at 700-800 which is crazy) and no way in hell am I paying that much for this or any movie for that matter (maybe except Avengers). Max I paid was like 700-800 or so for NWH opening weekend. 

 

This PVR has not scheduled shows beyond Sunday for now so I'll see what the price is like and then decide. Unlike with SH movies I can wait for this for a few days/weeks.

[ZattMurdock]

1 minute ago, Menor Reborn said:

Well what Cameron is doing these days is more interesting than what Spielberg is doing. 

I somewhat agree. But in the same sense that I would watch Lucas The Phantom Menace at the movie theaters but wouldn’t watch Spielberg’s The Fabelmans. I just think that the prospect of Cameron making god knows how much more Avatar films in the next decade incredibly boring and feels outdated.
 

I just can’t take the white savior trope seriously, and I think that spectacle with razor thin substance isn’t good enough. It doesn’t come as genuine as Coogler’s and Prince-Bythwood’s takes on colonialism, that seems to come to a much more visceral and personal take. I feel like I’d rather see a sequel to Inception or Tenet than yet another Cameron’s Avatar, unless he allows people to come up and play with his toys.

[shachi86]

20 minutes ago, Deep Wang said:

 

Because only two of his movies have had 'crazy multis everywhere'?

 

1984) Terminator - 9.54x vs

          Beverly Hills Cop 15.43x

          Ghostbusters 16.88x

1986) Aliens - 8.41x

          Top Gun and Crocodile Dundee both with about 21.5x

1989) Abyss - 5.82

          Look Who's Talking 11.57x

          Honey, I Shrunk the Kids 9.16

1991) T2 3day - 6.44x/T2 5day - 3.91x

          Prince of Thieves 6.45x

          Silence of the Lambs 9.49

1994) True Lies - 5.65x

          Forrest Gump 13.48x

          Speed 8.39x

 

It's going to have good to great legs (3-3.99x 😜), but he can't keep that pace of insane legs up forever, especially the further and further he gets into sequels. 

 

 

Even Titanic with its 21x, while impressive, wasn't that unusual. It came out at a time where 10+ multis were still very common and just the year prior Scream had a 16x. Mind you, it still had quite a big multiplier and a lot of staying power with 15 weeks at number one, but movies in the 90s still had legs! It wouldn't become unusual for movies to have 4x+ multis until the late 00s - early 10s.

[shachi86]

11 minutes ago, Menor Reborn said:

Well what Cameron is doing these days is more interesting than what Spielberg is doing. 

 

Agree to disagree.

[shachi86]

18 minutes ago, BluKyberCrystal said:

RT critics score has dipped under 80% and the verified score down to 94%.

 

Crumbling.

[BluKyberCrystal]

2 minutes ago, shachi86 said:

 

Crumbling.

😂

 

All joking aside, I'm curious if the Cinemascore ends up a A-. There was an upward trend for the RT verified score for a bit, but it turned around.  

[shachi86]

Just now, BluKyberCrystal said:

😂

 

All joking aside, I'm curious if the Cinemascore ends up a A-. There was an upward trend for the RT verified score for a bit, but it turned around.  

B+ incoming