The Box Office Buzz, Tracking, and Pre-Sale Thread

[Porthos]

On 5/8/2024 at 12:38 AM, Porthos said:

 

Quick and Dirty Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes Sacramento Report [T-2]

1895/26753 (7.08% sold) [+373 tickets] [EA:  750 (+177) |  Thr: 1145 (+196)]  194 showings

 

0.75739x  RotB         [6.67m]
1.20470x  BOSS        [6.93m]
1.85239x  Wonka      [6.48m]
1.49448x  Aqua 2     [6.73m]
1.57523x  GBFE        [7.40m]
0.82463x GxK          [8.25m]
2.92890x Fall Guy    [9.23m]

 

===

 

Okay, well The Fall Guy is pretty unsuitable locally.  That was a very late arriving crowd here, however, so we'll see what it looks like at final bell.    Aside from that, not much movements on comps.  Still, EA is fucking with things so not much to really say, except that I was extra special careful in my count tonight, so I know the above is fairly accurate.

 

Maybe Sacramento is just bana—

 

 

 

...

 

You know what?  Fair. 

 

 

Got some bad news, freindios.  

 

I was super busy, neck deep in another project this evening and I completely wiffed on grabbing EA showtimes.  By the time I realized what time it was and when I was able to get to my computer, it was long past being able to get the 7pm showtimes.

 

So gonna have to swerve slightly and report ***THURSDAY ONLY NUMBERS*** tonight.

 

Also might be unavailable tomorrow, so not even sure I can do a T-0 check (got some family biz I might need to take care of).  If I can't make a T-0 report, I'll drop a note sometime during the day.

 

Been a spell since something like this happened, but, eh.  Happens. 🙂

 

With that out of the way....

 

Quick and Dirty Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes Sacramento Report [T-1]

*****THURSDAY ONLY NUMBERS******

1635/24738 (6.61% sold) [+490 tickets] 186 Thursday showings

 

***THURSDAY ONLY COMPS***

0.83333x   BOSS      [4.79m]
1.59824x    Wonka    [5.59m]
1.28943x    Aqua 2   [5.80m]
1.08063x    GBFE      [5.08m]
0.72603x    GxK        [7.26m]

 

Because of the *gigantic* hole in my reporting, honestly not sure if the methodology holds up for the above.  But maybe somebody will find it of use.  And it's a Q&D so can't say I'll loose that much sleep over it.  Just means I can't use these numbers going forward.  Eh.

[vafrow]

Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga, D1, T-15 Thursday previews, western GTA (southern Ontario)

 

Total Sales: 19

New Sales: na

Growth: na

Theatres tracked: MTC4

Total theatres: 4

Showtimes: 17

Radius: 19 km

Tickets per showtime: 1.1

Ticket premium in effect: Yes

 

Tickets by Showtime Slot 

Late Afternoon: 1/3

Early Evening: 18/7

Late Evening: 0/7

 

Tickets by Format

Dolby: 0/4

IMAX: 17/6

VIP: 2/5

4DX: 0/2

 

Comps

0.160x Dune 2 for $1.6M

4.750x KOTPOTA for ???

0.404x HG:BoSS for $2.3M

 

Not the hottest start. IMAX is the format of choice though, so, ATP will be high.

 

I'll probably track this, but probably won't do daily updates until the final week or so.

 

[katnisscinnaplex]

On 5/8/2024 at 8:17 AM, katnisscinnaplex said:

Movie	Day	Area	TC	Shows	New	Sold	Seats	% Sold
Kingdom of Apes	T-1	Jax	5	68	69	280	10,722	2.61%
		Phx	7	61	55	314	9,274	3.39%
		Ral	8	61	55	263	7,986	3.29%
	Total		20	190	179	857	27,982	3.06%
Kingdom of Apes (EA)	T-0	Jax	5	9	43	214	1,802	11.88%
		Phx	1	2	15	131	618	21.20%
		Ral	2	2	18	95	412	23.06%
	Total		8	13	76	440	2,832	15.54%

 

T-1 (Thu) adjusted comps

 - Fall Guy (Thu) - 2.65x (6.24m)

 - M:I 7 (Thu) - .563x (3.61m)

 - F9 - .393x (2.96m)

 - Dune - .486x (2.58m)

 - NTTD (Thu) - missed

 - TMNT (Thu) - 1.166x (4.76m)

 - Fantastic Beasts 3 - .346x (2.12m)

 - Godzilla x Kong - .434x (3.92m)

 - Uncharted - .918x (3.48m)

 - Transformers (Thu) - .539x (3.86m)

 

Size adjusted comps - 4.22m

 

T-1 (EA) adjusted comps

 - Top Gun EA - .235x (1.11m)

 - Ungentlemanly EA - .948x (671k)

 - Fall Guy EA - 2.486x (1.99m)

 - M:I 7 EA - .495x (595k)

 - Creed III EA - 1.134x (1.13m)

 - Transformers EA - .487x (862k)

 

Size adjusted comps - 1.06m

 

Could push to 5.5m total with another good day tomorrow.  

Movie	Day	Area	TC	Shows	New	Sold	Seats	% Sold
Kingdom of Apes	T-0	Jax	5	68	111	391	10,722	3.65%
		Phx	7	61	153	467	9,274	5.04%
		Ral	8	61	67	330	7,986	4.13%
	Total		20	190	331	1,188	27,982	4.25%

 

T-0 (Thu) adjusted comps

 - Fall Guy (Thu) - 2.48x (5.83m)

 - M:I 7 (Thu) - .525x (3.36m)

 - F9 - .389x (2.92m)

 - Dune - .537x (2.85m)

 - NTTD (Thu) - .528x (2.85m)

 - TMNT (Thu) - 1.045x (4.26m)

 - Fantastic Beasts 3 - .407x (2.5m)

 - Godzilla x Kong - .438x (3.95m)

 - Uncharted - .944x (3.58m)

 - Transformers (Thu) - .521x (3.73m)

 

Size adjusted comps - 4.06m

Growth model forecast - 3.36m

 

Movie	3-day pace	Prev 3-day	Prev 3-day	Last Day
Kingdom of Apes	117.18%	37.84%	22.65%	38.62%
Fall Guy	122.79%	32.09%	22.60%	48.30%
M:I 7	103.41%	34.50%	23.32%	48.85%
F9: The Fast Saga	111.12%	28.04%	17.08%	40.17%
Dune	87.62%	-	-	25.47%
No Time to Die	-	-	-	-
Turtles	111.73%	34.45%	25.57%	54.69%
Fantastic Beasts 3	55.62%	30.37%	30.83%	17.83%
Godzilla x Kong	112.13%	31.14%	25.23%	37.40%
Uncharted	86.09%	21.45%	24.11%	34.69%
Transformers 6	115.50%	29.21%	-	43.40%

 

Still pacing right along with GxK.  Expecting around 45% of whatever the previews actually were for that. 

[Relevation]

7 hours ago, keysersoze123 said:

Spider-verse could be a comp but that is still a SH based movie. I think @Porthos should have good comps with couple of previous Pixar sequels though its tricky making comps with pre COVID BO. That said even Lightyear wont be a bad comp though this should do way better than that. 

I think The Little Mermaid is probably the best comp for whoever has it, big Disney nostalgia IP movie iwith normal ticketing window and didn’t come out long enough ago to be unhelpful

[katnisscinnaplex]

On 5/8/2024 at 8:24 AM, katnisscinnaplex said:

Movie	Day	Area	TC	Shows	New	Sold	Seats	% Sold
IF	T-8	Jax	5	22	8	71	3,641	1.95%
		Phx	6	24	2	45	3,847	1.17%
		Ral	8	31	0	40	4,575	0.87%
	Total		19	77	10	156	12,063	1.29%
The Strangers	T-8	Jax	5	11	0	14	1,110	1.26%
		Phx	6	13	6	16	1,530	1.05%
		Ral	7	14	-1	23	1,368	1.68%
	Total		18	38	5	53	4,008	1.32%

 

IF T-8 adjusted comps (comps with EA)

 - Sonic 2 (Total) - .231x (1.48m)

 - Haunted Mansion (Total) - .384x (1.19m)

 - TMNT (Total) - .222x (1.1m)

 - Fall Guy (Total) - .757x (1.96m)

 - Lightyear (Total) - .466x (2.1m)

 

IF T-8 adjusted comps (no EA)

 - Sonic 2 (Thu) - .304x (1.55m)

 - Haunted Mansion (Thu) - .574x (1.66m)

 - TMNT (Thu) - .531x (1.8m)

 - Kung Fu Panda 4 - .582x (1.95m)

 - Fall Guy (Thu) - 1.31x (2.53m)

 - Lightyear (Thu) - .5x (2.01m)

 

Strangers T-8 adjusted comps

 - Insidious 5 - .47x (2.35m)

 - Talk to Me - 1.432x (1.78m)

 - Abigail - 1.656x (1.656m)

 - Evil Dead Rise - missed

 - Black Phone (Thu) - .5x (1.33m)

 - Beast - 1.395x (1.32m)

 

Size adjusted comps - 1.64m

Movie	Day	Area	TC	Shows	New	Sold	Seats	% Sold
IF	T-7	Jax	5	22	2	73	3,641	2.00%
		Phx	7	27	6	51	4,077	1.25%
		Ral	8	31	4	44	4,575	0.96%
	Total		20	80	12	168	12,293	1.37%
The Strangers	T-7	Jax	5	11	7	21	1,110	1.89%
		Phx	6	13	3	19	1,530	1.24%
		Ral	7	14	3	26	1,368	1.90%
	Total		18	38	13	66	4,008	1.65%

 

IF T-7 adjusted comps (comps with EA)

 - Sonic 2 (Total) - .231x (1.48m)

 - Haunted Mansion (Total) - .384x (1.19m)

 - TMNT (Total) - .21x (1.03m)

 - Fall Guy (Total) - .76x (1.96m)

 - Lightyear (Total) - .402x (1.81m)

 

I was wondering why the comps hardly changed, but I guess ~7.5% is perfectly normal for a Wednesday

 

Movie	3-day pace	Prev 3-day	Prev 3-day	Last Day
IF	20.86%	24.46%	57.14%	7.69%
Sonic 2 Total	29.41%	16.22%	16.38%	7.40%
Haunted Mansion Total	31.14%	15.57%	15.96%	7.88%
Turtles Total	33.78%	14.21%	20.66%	13.96%
Fall Guy Total	16.93%	21.69%	10.81%	7.28%
Lightyear Total	-	-	-	24.78%

 

IF T-7 adjusted comps (no EA)

 - Sonic 2 (Thu) - .305x (1.56m)

 - Haunted Mansion (Thu) - .594x (1.72m)

 - TMNT (Thu) - .545x (1.85m)

 - Kung Fu Panda 4 - .581x (1.94m)

 - Fall Guy (Thu) - 1.313x (2.53m)

 - Lightyear (Thu) - .44x (1.76m)

 

Strangers T-7 adjusted comps

 - Insidious 5 - .482x (2.41m)

 - Talk to Me - 1.467x (1.83m)

 - Abigail - 1.784x (1.784m)

 - Evil Dead Rise - .284x (711k)

 - Black Phone (Thu) - .56x (1.49m)

 - Beast - 1.467x (1.39m)

 

Size adjusted comps - 1.59m

Edited May 9 by katnisscinnaplex

[katnisscinnaplex]

Movie	Day	Area	TC	Shows	New	Sold	Seats	% Sold
Furiosa	T-14	Jax	6	53	36	36	8,801	0.41%
		Phx	6	27	40	40	5,173	0.77%
		Ral	8	43	54	54	6,043	0.89%
	Total		20	123	130	130	20,017	0.65%

 

Day 1 comps

 - Ghostbusters Afterlife - .558x (2.45m)

 - Ghostbusters FE - .631x (2.78m)

 - F9 - .478x (3.6m)

 - Godzilla x Kong - .346x (3.12m)

[katnisscinnaplex]

On 5/8/2024 at 9:02 AM, katnisscinnaplex said:

Santikos Tracking

 

Kingdom of Apes (EA) - 504/1,261 (5 shows)

 - Fall Guy (EA) - 6.07x (5.16m)

 - Top Gun (EA) - .416x (1.91m) (6 shows)

 - Barbie (EA) - 1.11x (1.22m) (3 shows)

 - Sonic (EA) - .697x (885k) (4 shows)

 - M:I 7 (EA) - 1.98x (790k)

 - Unsung Hero (EA) - .9x (1.08m)

 

Kingdom of Apes (Thu) - 571/12,198

 - Godzilla x Kong - .248x (2.28m) (using 9.2m)

 - Oppenheimer - .306x (3.22m)

 - Indiana Jones - missed

 - Fantastic Beasts 3 - .369x (2.22m)

 

Good increase from yesterday. Still need more to match regionals though, although these are unadjusted comps.

Santikos Tracking

 

Kingdom of Apes (Thu) - 1,003/12,198

 - Godzilla x Kong - .31x (2.85m) (using 9.2m)

 - Oppenheimer - .437x (4.59m)

 - Indiana Jones - .846x (6.09m)

 - Fantastic Beasts 3 - .498x (2.99m)

 - Creed III - .953x (5.19m)

 - Dune Part 2 - .465x (4.3m)

 - Ghostbusters FE - 1.054x (4.64m)

 

Kingdom of Apes (Fri) - 1,519/22,361

 - Godzilla x Kong - missed

 - Oppenheimer - .465x (10.47m)

 - Indiana Jones - 1.121x (18.48m)

 - Dune Part 2 - missed

[TheFlatLannister]

2 hours ago, katnisscinnaplex said:

Movie	Day	Area	TC	Shows	New	Sold	Seats	% Sold
Furiosa	T-14	Jax	6	53	36	36	8,801	0.41%
		Phx	6	27	40	40	5,173	0.77%
		Ral	8	43	54	54	6,043	0.89%
	Total		20	123	130	130	20,017	0.65%

 

Day 1 comps

 - Ghostbusters Afterlife - .558x (2.45m)

 - Ghostbusters FE - .631x (2.78m)

 - F9 - .478x (3.6m)

 - Godzilla x Kong - .346x (3.12m)

This is in line with what i'm seeing from Florida. But wow @abracadabra1998 update was insane, could be a sign of an incoming breakout in the cinephile community. 

Edited May 9 by TheFlatLannister

[el sid]

Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, counted today for today, had 1.657 sold tickets. 

Up decent 20% since yesterday. 

Best sales in California (597 & 427 sold tickets) but also doing decent in NY (357). A bit weak between the coasts and in the AMC in Florida (196) but still way more even sales than for e.g. The Fall Guy last week which finally had 127 sold tickets in NY and 534 sold tickets in the AMC in LA.

 

Comps (all movies counted on Thursday of the release week for Thursday) The Fall Guy (2.35M from previews) had 1.071 sold tickets = 3.65M for Planet of the Apes. 

GxK (9.2M) had 2.015 = 82% (it reached my goal ^^) = 7.55M (I doubt that it will have the same walk-ups but nice number).

JWD (18M) had 4.342 = 6.8M.

Uncharted (3.7M) had 1.294 = 4.75.

Civil War (2.6M) had 1.357 = 3.15.

And BT (4.6M) had 1.508 sold tickets (I used the wrong number yesterday, on Wednesday it were only 1.238, but even better) = 5.05M.

 

Average: 5.15M true Thursday (without EA). Could live with that result ;).

Edited May 9 by el sid

[kayumanggi]

 

[keysersoze123]

Furiosa MTC1 previews - 14815/380446 319722.09 1893 shows

 

I think this is a solid OD presales. With a short PS window its probably looking at 5m+ previews. 

[AniNate]

Went through and counted up IF presales for next weekend at Canton's theater and it's now up to 131.

 

I dunno, I have no comps but I feel like this is a pretty sizable haul a week in advance for an original non-Disney kids movie. I'd think Elemental would be the closest thing to a good comp if anyone has that available. 

 

 

Edited May 9 by AniNate

[kayumanggi]

On 5/3/2024 at 3:40 AM, Flip said:

100 less theaters than the last installment but that released during summer (drive ins + more theaters overall are open) and pre pandemic so it’s probably a similar share

 

 

[Rorschach]

14 hours ago, Rorschach said:

Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes - Wednesday Night Outlook

Cinemark Davenport 18 + IMAX

Thursday:

3 IMAX showings: 14/1,164

3 XD showings: 9/714

7 2D showings: 78/857

Total: 101/2,735 (3.7% sold) [+22]

 

Comp:

The Fall Guy: $4.7 mil

Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes - Thursday Afternoon Outlook (T-minus 1 hour to first showtime)

Cinemark Davenport 18 + IMAX

Thursday:

3 IMAX showings: 25/1,164

3 XD showings: 21/714

7 2D showings: 95/857

Total: 141/2,735 (5.2% sold) [+40]

 

Comp:

The Fall Guy: $4.2 mil (w/o early access)

 

The Cinemark website is acting very funky today. Hopefully, it'll be more cooperative when I check later tonight.

[kayumanggi]

 

[TheFlatLannister]

20 hours ago, TheFlatLannister said:

FLORIDA 

 

KINGDOM OF THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

Thursday 

 

T-1

SHOWINGS	SEATS SOLD	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD
688	4857	134782	3.6%

^{*numbers taken as of 6:00PM EST}

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

682

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

110

 

COMPS

T-1

(0.423x) of Dune 2 $3.93M

(0.725x) of Ghostbusters $3.41M

(0.598x) of Godzilla and Kong $5.68M

Comps average: $4.34M

 

Could do $4.5M Thursday depending on walkups tomorrow 

FLORIDA 

 

KINGDOM OF THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

Thursday 

 

T-0

SHOWINGS	SEATS SOLD	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD
688	5941	134782	4.4%

^{*numbers taken as of 3:00PM EST}

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

1084

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

0

 

COMPS

T-0

(0.435x) of Dune 2 $4.05M

(0.523x) of Godzilla and Kong $4.96M

Comps average: $4.51M

 

Thinking $4.5M + whatever EA is 

[JimmyB]

On 3/21/2024 at 1:57 PM, TheFlatLannister said:

FLORIDA 

 

Ghostbusters

 

Thursday 

 

T-0 *Final Update

SHOWINGS	SEATS SOLD	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD
741	7771	150128	4.5%

^{*numbers taken as of 1:00PM EST}

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

1071

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

2

 

SELLOUTS

0

 

COMPS

T-0

(0.570x) of Dune 2 $5.30M  

(2.185x) of Argylle $3.72M  

 

Comps average: $4.51M 

 

Yeah, going to go with $4.5M 

It slipped a lot against comps which is not a great sign, so I would honestly take the under on $4.5M

Apes seats sold since yesterday almost matching Ghostbusters 1071 vs 1084

[Tinalera]

Furiosa 

Thurs May 23 Fri May 24 (t-15)

Vancouver and Calgary Canada

 

		# theatre	#show	Seats Sold	Seats Rem	Ttl seat	Percent
Vancouver	Thurs	4	17	35	3594	3629	0.0096
	Fri	4	21	29	4715	4744	0.0061
		# theatre	#show	Seats Sold	Seats Rem	Ttl seat	Percent
Calgary	Thurs	4	18	34	3205	3239	0.0104
	Fri	4	24	19	2235	2254	0.0084

[crazymoviekid]

1 hour ago, kayumanggi said:

 

 

I'm always a fan of not oversaturating the theater count too high, especially over 4k. Bummer it is over 4k, but not by much. BUT is anyone a little suspicious of how "light" these theater counts are. 

 

Dune 2 (just over 4k) was less than Dune 1, which was in a MUCH more crowded market. 

 

KFP4 (just over 4k) was much less than How to Train Your Dragon 3 in a similar calendar period. 

 

Ghostbusters was as over-saturated than expected. 

 

GxK wasnt even in 4k, in 2019, that would've been a no-brainer. 

 

TFG was just over 4k, much less than The Lost City in a similar period. 

 

Now Apes (just over 4k) is notably less than WftPotA and Pikachu on the same calendar frame. 

 

Not complaining, but definitely an interesting theme. 

Edited May 9 by crazymoviekid

[kayumanggi]

10 minutes ago, crazymoviekid said:

I'm always a fan of not oversaturating the theater count too high, especially over 4k. Bummer it is over 4k, but not by much. BUT is anyone a little suspicious of how "light" these theater counts are. 

 

Dune 2 (just over 4k) was less than Dune 1, which was in a MUCH more crowded market. 

 

KFP4 (just over 4k) was much less than How to Train Your Dragon 3 in a similar calendar period. 

 

Ghostbusters was as over-saturated than expected. 

 

GxK wasnt even in 4k, in 2019, that would've been a no-brainer. 

 

TFG was just over 4k, much less than The Lost City in a similar period. 

 

Now Apes (just over 4k) is notably less than WftPotA and Pikachu on the same calendar frame. 

 

Not complaining, but definitely an interesting theme. 

 

Another low count.