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[DInky]

3 minutes ago, YM! said:

Honestly think F4 should be right after Deadpool vs Cap. That has a far higher ceiling and the director really seems to be a huge fan of the material. If that cooks especially with the F4 being likely to be a new mainstay face of Marvel, Phase goodwill can creep back somewhat.

 

I don’t feel Shawn Levy can make a critically lauded film but I suspect the General Audience will love it, especially with the likely nostalgia pandering that helped NWH with Wolverine.

 

Agreed. They need multiple hits in a row right now.

[Torontofan]

MCU could have worked post endgame if they keep the quality up and kept releases limited to before endgame.

 

2-3 movies a year and nothing else.

 

(scrap the whole MCU televsion servies its been a disaster for them) 

 

Simple fixes really

- No Black Widow or Eternals (pointless movies)

- Thor 4 is instead a teamup with some of the Guardians

- Stop making Ant man movies lol 

- Doctor Strange be less focused on multiverse.

 

Black Panther 2 and Guardians 3 and Shang Yi are fine.

 

Pretty much 2 movies a year at most. 

 

 

Edited November 10, 2023 by Torontofan

[Zakiyyah6]

If Kathleen Kennedy still has a job why on earth would Kevin Feige be fired? I just don't get the logic.

[The Wild Eric]

Re: Deadpool

 

See, I have doubts on that movie too. People insisted that Guardians 3 wouldn't get hurt by the last Marvel movies sucking, and it almost could have. It had awful presales up until the last minute, and I blame that entirely on Ant-Man 3 (and also Majors being an abusive asshole) destroying all fan morale right there. And the only reason it got to a respectable total (though still below Guardians 2, which nobody predicted until presales hit) was because it had some of the best WOM for a Marvel movie in ages.

 

Deadpool's in the same boat where the last movie came out an eternity ago, like Guardians 2 was, except those guys still made other appearances. The promise of Fox multiverse shenanigans might also get hurt by Doctor Strange 2 and the "fool me once" mentality, as well as being pretty underwhelming. When the press is hyping up the return of Jennifer Garner as Elektra as one of your big selling points, that's a little concerning.

 

And even with Wolverine, the big difference between him and the Spider-Men was that Maguire and Garfield were coming off incomplete franchises and still had their stories to tell to get people hyped. Hugh Jackman was in movies that grossed way less than those films and he had probably the greatest send-off for any superhero character ever with Logan. Getting him back for cheap fanservice won't fly with Marvel fans.

 

I guess O/U 300M could still happen, but I think that will disappoint big time and won't help the MCU's state at all.

[PlatnumRoyce]

6 minutes ago, interiorgatordecorator said:

when are we getting the CinemaScore? 

Friday night, right? 

[The GOAT]

Just now, Torontofan said:

MCU could have worked post endgame if they keep the quality up and kept releases limited to before endgame.

 

2-3 movies a year and nothing else.

 

(scrap the whole MCU televsion servies its been a disaster for them) 

 

 

It's hard to keep the quality, if you have no sense of direction. Also individual Marvel movie rarely excel as standalone movies. Maybe with better writers and hiring TV showrunners (like they did with Whedon and the Russos) instead of Oscar bait indie directors, this could have worked. 

[Zakiyyah6]

Deadpool 3 will do fine. It won't make a billion like so many are predicting but it will do very well. 

[reddevil19]

I think Deadpool 3 will do well box-office wise. I'm thinking GOTG3 or DS2 level numbers rn. But I have serious doubts regarding its quality and reception (i.e. huge opening, bad legs - again, like DS2). When you follow that up with the 2025 slate, the problems are still there.

But...who knows? Maybe Deadpool 3 will be fantastic, and the break on either side of it will make audiences hungry for superhero fare again.

Edited November 10, 2023 by reddevil19

[PlatnumRoyce]

1 minute ago, The GOAT said:

It's hard to keep the quality, if you have no sense of direction. Also individual Marvel movie rarely excel as standalone movies. Maybe with better writers and hiring TV showrunners (like they did with Whedon and the Russos) instead of Oscar bait indie directors, this could have worked. 

I can't remember if I've made this comment yet but Gunn claimed he was in the running for that sort of role in "cosmic marvel" in 2018 (right before he was fired). That MCU book flagged an interview showing Fiege didn't really want that to happen. 

 

Russos never had that level of control, they just directed the crossovers. 

[YM!]

1 minute ago, Eric Danvers said:

Re: Deadpool

 

See, I have doubts on that movie too. People insisted that Guardians 3 wouldn't get hurt by the last Marvel movies sucking, and it almost could have. It had awful presales up until the last minute, and I blame that entirely on Ant-Man 3 (and also Majors being an abusive asshole) destroying all fan morale right there. And the only reason it got to a respectable total (though still below Guardians 2, which nobody predicted until presales hit) was because it had some of the best WOM for a Marvel movie in ages.

 

Deadpool's in the same boat where the last movie came out an eternity ago, like Guardians 2 was, except those guys still made other appearances. The promise of Fox multiverse shenanigans might also get hurt by Doctor Strange 2 and the "fool me once" mentality, as well as being pretty underwhelming. When the press is hyping up the return of Jennifer Garner as Elektra as one of your big selling points, that's a little concerning.

 

And even with Wolverine, the big difference between him and the Spider-Men was that Maguire and Garfield were coming off incomplete franchises and still had their stories to tell to get people hyped. Hugh Jackman was in movies that grossed way less than those films and he had probably the greatest send-off for any superhero character ever with Logan. Getting him back for cheap fanservice won't fly with Marvel fans.

 

I guess O/U 300M could still happen, but I think that will disappoint big time and won't help the MCU's state at all.

These are fair points as well, but DP3 buzz has been very strong so far. I agree that MCU goodwill was burned out by Ant-Man 3 being the backbreaking straw (like JL from Whedon in the DCEU) but the fandom seems more or less ecstatic about Jackman returning and I do think the satirizing of superheroes that Deadpool does may click more due to how fatigued the GA is, in way could be a breathe of fresh air. Like pretty sure most Fox-Men characters will be set up for a big death like in Deadpool 2.

[The GOAT]

1 minute ago, PlatnumRoyce said:

I can't remember if I've made this comment yet but Gunn claimed he was in the running for that sort of role in "cosmic marvel" in 2018 (right before he was fired). That MCU book flagged an interview showing Fiege didn't really want that to happen. 

 

Russos never had that level of control, they just directed the crossovers. 

I meant hiring TV showrunners to direct their movies, not chart the stars of their cinematic universe. 

Edited November 10, 2023 by The GOAT

[filmlover]

4 minutes ago, Eric Danvers said:

When the press is hyping up the return of Jennifer Garner as Elektra as one of your big selling points, that's a little concerning.

It's because the Garnerssance is upon us!

 

If Mean Girls is a hit in January and her part in Deadpool 3 is acclaimed I imagine we'll be seeing Sony fast-tracking a remake of 13 Going on 30 with her involvement well before this decade is over.

[Krissykins]

Could It’s A Wonderful Knife go top 10 this weekend? 

[Jonwo]

1 minute ago, YM! said:

These are fair points as well, but DP3 buzz has been very strong so far. I agree that MCU goodwill was burned out by Ant-Man 3 being the backbreaking straw (like JL from Whedon in the DCEU) but the fandom seems more or less ecstatic about Jackman returning and I do think the satirizing of superheroes that Deadpool does may click more due to how fatigued the GA is, in way could be a breathe of fresh air. Like pretty sure most Fox-Men characters will be set up for a big death like in Deadpool 2.

With Deadpool 3, they can really take the jokes to another level.

[ViewerAnon]

12 minutes ago, YM! said:

Honestly think F4 should be right after Deadpool vs Cap. That has a far higher ceiling and the director really seems to be a huge fan of the material. If that cooks especially with the F4 being likely to be a new mainstay face of Marvel, Phase goodwill can creep back somewhat.

 

I think Fantastic 4 is a disappointment waiting to happen. It's an old book and there aren't a lot of current fans. The 2005 movie did OK but wasn't well-liked as evidenced by how the sequel did, and of course we don't need to talk about the Trank reboot.

It's just not a title like X-Men that has shown its popular in multiple mediums for multiple generations.

[Torontofan]

4 minutes ago, The GOAT said:

It's hard to keep the quality, if you have no sense of direction. Also individual Marvel movie rarely excel as standalone movies. Maybe with better writers and hiring TV showrunners (like they did with Whedon and the Russos) instead of Oscar bait indie directors, this could have worked. 

 

 

Issue is for marvel is the most sucessfull and liked films post Endgame were standalone movies lol (No way home I dont even consider a MCU movie and Guardians 3 was a PETA informerical)

 

[The GOAT]

4 minutes ago, The GOAT said:

I meant hiring TV showrunners to direct their movies, not chart the stars of their cinematic universe. 

Preferably ones not from streaming, but actually had to compete on syndicate television

[keysersoze123]

11 minutes ago, Eric Danvers said:

Re: Deadpool

 

See, I have doubts on that movie too. People insisted that Guardians 3 wouldn't get hurt by the last Marvel movies sucking, and it almost could have. It had awful presales up until the last minute, and I blame that entirely on Ant-Man 3 (and also Majors being an abusive asshole) destroying all fan morale right there. And the only reason it got to a respectable total (though still below Guardians 2, which nobody predicted until presales hit) was because it had some of the best WOM for a Marvel movie in ages.

 

Deadpool's in the same boat where the last movie came out an eternity ago, like Guardians 2 was, except those guys still made other appearances. The promise of Fox multiverse shenanigans might also get hurt by Doctor Strange 2 and the "fool me once" mentality, as well as being pretty underwhelming. When the press is hyping up the return of Jennifer Garner as Elektra as one of your big selling points, that's a little concerning.

 

And even with Wolverine, the big difference between him and the Spider-Men was that Maguire and Garfield were coming off incomplete franchises and still had their stories to tell to get people hyped. Hugh Jackman was in movies that grossed way less than those films and he had probably the greatest send-off for any superhero character ever with Logan. Getting him back for cheap fanservice won't fly with Marvel fans.

 

I guess O/U 300M could still happen, but I think that will disappoint big time and won't help the MCU's state at all.

This. I mean they are supposedly parading the list of all Marvel flop characters ever created in a movie, I am not seeing this pull a NWH as I put in Marvel movies thread as well. 

 

 

  

2 minutes ago, ViewerAnon said:

 

I think Fantastic 4 is a disappointment waiting to happen. It's an old book and there aren't a lot of current fans. The 2005 movie did OK but wasn't well-liked as evidenced by how the sequel did, and of course we don't need to talk about the Trank reboot.

It's just not a title like X-Men that has shown its popular in multiple mediums for multiple generations.

They should have gone Black Panter and MCU Spider-man route. Introduce them in a Avengers movie and then create a solo movie. 

Edited November 10, 2023 by keysersoze123

[Bob Train]

2 hours ago, Jonwo said:

Wes Ball is the director, not Shawn Levy.

 

People say video game films are the future but there has been just as many failures like Warcraft and 2018 Tomb Raider. 

Both of those movies made >2.5x their budgets, a feat that only 2/7 Superhero movies this year have achieved. The OW record for a video game movie in 2019 was Pikachu's $56m, but since then 4 different video game movies have surpassed that mark.

 

 

[reddevil19]

7 minutes ago, The GOAT said:

I meant hiring TV showrunners to direct their movies, not chart the stars of their cinematic universe. 

It's funny because I have the opposite mindset - the Russos were great from a logistic standpoint. IW and EG were feats of logistics more than any moviemaking. And great on them for that. But what Marvel needs is specifically what you said is lacking - movies that stand on their own. That's how you improve on what came before. For that you need proper filmmakers. I agree that indie directors that then are nothing more than marionettes for the studio is not the way to go, but neither are TV producers. Make good movies that stand on their own as just that, with the brain trust worrying about collecting the small seeds that have been planted in those movies and growing them into something bigger. That's why for me the best of the MCU remains Winter Soldier.

Edited November 10, 2023 by reddevil19