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Joker: Folie a Deux (2024) Spoiler Thread

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Joker: Folie a Deux (2024)  

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I mean just look at this guy. He looks exactly like comic book Joker. I knew where they are likely going with him as soon as they cast this dude, it wasn't coincidence. I imagine this guy is the Joker Batman of Phillips universe would face decades later, but it's probably left ambiguous.

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8 minutes ago, Firepower said:

I mean just look at this guy. He looks exactly like comic book Joker. I knew where they are likely going with him as soon as they cast this dude, it wasn't coincidence. I imagine this guy is the Joker Batman of Phillips universe would face decades later, but it's probably left ambiguous.

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The theory is that it's too similar to Heath Ledger, so it felt like a prequel to the Dark Knight.

 

But is it confirmed? I only see the same PNG upside down being spread with several people saying that it's not real, and I'm not seeing anyone who have seen it confirming it.

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Just now, belblazer said:

This doesn't mean Arthur is not Joker 💀 it's just that the new guy will replace him.

 

I feel like this will generate a lot of debate omg

Todd Phillips is a Genius, i'm telling you.

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19 minutes ago, belblazer said:

The theory is that it's too similar to Heath Ledger, so it felt like a prequel to the Dark Knight.

What's interesting in the original ending of the first movie Arthur was supposed to have Ledger's scars after crawling out of police car after crash and cutting that smile with a glass shard. That was replaced in the final movie with a bloody smile and crowd of goons cheering him which I thought was an improvement. It seems like they decided to use those scars in a sequel ending for a different character instead.

 

19 minutes ago, belblazer said:

But is it confirmed? I only see the same PNG upside down being spread with several people saying that it's not real, and I'm not seeing anyone who have seen it confirming it.

I'm not sure, I think it's confirmed Arthur is stabbed by an inmate, but I saw only one description that mentioned this actor as that inmate, which is probably true. When he was first cast, I think trades mentioned he plays Arkham inmate who forms friendship with Arthur.

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4 minutes ago, John Marston said:

So that explosion ending was not true? Even though reviews mentioned it I think? 

Yeah, at least the way they described it. Explosion happens (and it was shown in trailers), but it's not the ending and Arthur doesn't die after explosion.

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People did respond very well to the small nods and connections the first film had to Batman mythos... I thought they were lame. But I guess making "Joker" more so a title/persona that some other patient is deeply inspired by and adapts to, in a way, avenge the very people the world (Gotham and the Waynes) have wronged by... turning into the most infamous criminal/villain in the city, does seem how Phillips perceives that mythos and legacy. Like it thematically suits this franchise. But I can see it annoying people, considering the first one felt like a loose origin of the character and this one would be kinda retconning that by, well, feeling as if we've been "following a random guy". I think Phillips' "point" will be missed by many and that's the trouble of guising your passion projects under a known IP. A media literacy issue.

 

I do still think the point is silly and the first film to me felt like low-effort trauma porn and this doesn't look much better in that department.

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I highly doubt this ending is a serious lead-in to Nolan's Batman setting. It'd make no sense given that this world has distinct incarnations of Bruce Wayne and Harvey Dent who have completely different origins when compared to Nolan's takes. I think it's just a tribute to Ledger with the carved smile and all. I also don't think the guy who kills Arthur is the "true Joker" or something, but rather someone else who decides to steal the Joker persona from him and carry on in his own way. I feel like Twitter is misinterpreting this, thus making it sound far worse than it really is. It's still a stupid and anticlimactic mess of an ending, but it doesn't seem soul-crushing or destructive or anything. It's definitely a big statement on Philips's end, and is an indication that he really did not want to do a sequel at all before the Zaslav regime became desperate for a hit and started constantly bugging him. So why not put in a definitive ending, so conclusive to the point where making a third movie is literally impossible?

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14 minutes ago, BadOlCatSylvester said:

I also don't think the guy who kills Arthur is the "true Joker" or something, but rather someone else who decides to steal the Joker persona from him and carry on in his own way.

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This was from Reddit a couple weeks ago when the movie premiered.

 

Well, this is the actual ending: He rejects the Joker persona and apologizes for killing everyone. Then a bomb goes off, set by Joker fans. There’s about 15 minutes of film after the bomb goes off - enough time to get dumped by Harley, get re-captured, go back to prison, and get stabbed to death by a random inmate who then carves a joker smile on their own face. Cut to credits.

Source: I’ve seen the film.

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