Maggie Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 13 minutes ago, JimmyB said: This was from Reddit a couple weeks ago when the movie premiered. Well, this is the actual ending: He rejects the Joker persona and apologizes for killing everyone. Then a bomb goes off, set by Joker fans. There’s about 15 minutes of film after the bomb goes off - enough time to get dumped by Harley, get re-captured, go back to prison, and get stabbed to death by a random inmate who then carves a joker smile on their own face. Cut to credits. Source: I’ve seen the film. The ending sounds too abrupt. Only 15 min for all that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 52 minutes ago, Maggie said: The ending sounds too abrupt. Only 15 min for all that? idk, sounds about right. It's around 4 scenes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyB Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 1 hour ago, Maggie said: The ending sounds too abrupt. Only 15 min for all that? I thought it sounded like BS when I read it a few weeks ago but they knew Joker was stabbed to death makes me believe everything in the reddit comment is right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WittyUsername Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 This sounds very similar to what Gotham (the TV show that aired on Fox last decade) tried to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudalb Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 SOrt of a cop out if true. Surprise. The film's fanboys thing it is genius, others are more skeptical,' ANother reason why I don't get getting so damn commited emotionally to a movie YOU HAVE NOT EVEN SEEN. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoMorph Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 16 hours ago, belblazer said: This doesn't mean Arthur is not Joker 💀 it's just that the new guy will replace him. Todd Philips is on Fraud Alert until proven innocent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Max007 Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 So after all the "we don't care about source material and our films are a middle finger to comic book nerds" Phillips had to rip off the Gotham TV series which mostly hardcore fanboys watched lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 (edited) I highly doubt Phillips watched Gotham or even aware of its existence. What's more likely it was a reaction to the popular claim "this guy can't be Joker-criminal mastermind who will face Batman", so, well, he wasn't, the guy who will face Batman is a different generation of the alter ego. Edited September 27 by Firepower 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WittyUsername Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 The idea that Joaquin Phoenix was never the true Joker would make all those Joker rankings from the past five years funny in retrospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blamo Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 (edited) Perhaps this is a hot take stance but this ending is in no way a, "Bold Statement," by Phillips or in any way something worth treating as such shocker, and he's certainly not a genius. It is only notable in the idea that it is the culmination of Todd Phillips' apparent trademark in his dramatic movies, which i have no smart name for because it is not a smart thing to do, it is "just kinda a cheap twist," See the imaginary girlfriend in the first one, thomas wayne being his father (or not! to deal with the consequences would mean he has to think about what he is writing, so he leaves it up to us.), and now we have the natural formation of this schlocky writing style, what is the conclusion to a trashy comedy director trying to mimic Scorsese? The person we've been following for 2 movies will be brutally killed by someone who becomes another joker, oooooo, what a craaaaaaazyyyy ending im sure 3Cfilms will have so much to talk about with this one! "ooo, i gotcha! you thought it was this but its actually this!" It's trash. It's Schlock. It is your uncle's idea of a twist ending. I'm sure your coworkers are gonna love it. Nobody liked his trashy comedy movies anymore, so he took a new anti-woke stance to appeal to incels and misogynists around America, even in this very movie, Harley is given the role of manipulator, taking DC's most famous victim (and most famous tale of her reclamation against it to be her own person and find real love, that speaks to a lot of women) and delivering in a way only a very very bitter whiny Man could. I'm surprised anyone with a Pearl icon could call this movie genius. I liked the first joker movie when I first saw it, i was also a 17 year old boy, it took advantage of me. Seeing it now i see it for the mid, punchless trauma porn that it is. Edited September 27 by Blamo typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 4 minutes ago, Blamo said: I'm surprised anyone with a Pearl icon could call this movie genius. I said Todd Phillips is a Genius because this ending will generate a lot of debate/controversy, weather we like it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WittyUsername Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 This ending is clearly Phillips’ attempt to destroy any hope that David Zaslav likely had for there to be additional movies in this “universe”. You can’t have a third Todd Phillips Joker movie without Joaquin Phoenix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Blamo said: ..... I liked the first joker movie when I first saw it, i was also a 17 year old boy, it took advantage of me. Seeing it now i see it for the mid, punchless trauma porn that it is. Jesus, calm down, it's not that deep. You filmtwitter dude bros made the first one much more controversial than it actually was and Phillips a bad guy for no real reason other than you needed something to complain about and come up with all kinds of wildest hot takes to keep discourse going, the same way Green Book and Farrelly were punching bags on the internet in 2018 (also a comedy director transitioning to drama). There are much worse movies in the genre and there are much more edgy and "dangerous" movies out there, but maybe it's not as interesting to complain about them because they weren't as popular. The bottom line is Phillips made the movie that made over a billion and was pretty well liked outside internet bubble, oh horrors! Edited September 27 by Firepower 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blamo Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 1 hour ago, Firepower said: Jesus, calm down, it's not that deep. You filmtwitter dude bros made the first one much more controversial than it actually was and Phillips a bad guy for no real reason other than you needed something to complain about and come up with all kinds of wildest hot takes to keep discourse going, the same way Green Book and Farrelly were punching bags on the internet in 2018 (also a comedy director transitioning to drama). There are much worse movies in the genre and there are much more edgy and "dangerous" movies out there, but maybe it's not as interesting to complain about them because they weren't as popular. The bottom line is Phillips made the movie that made over a billion and was pretty well liked outside internet bubble, oh horrors! "It isn't that deep" My point exactly. It's in a lot of words to be sure but I'm saying that these movies aren't all that. That's it. I dunno what the hell else you're talking about 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Blamo said: "It isn't that deep" My point exactly. It's in a lot of words to be sure but I'm saying that these movies aren't all that. That's it. I dunno what the hell else you're talking about I was refering to stuff like "the movie took advantage of me". Like Jesus, it's not that serious. It's just a movie that made a lot of money. All this discourse and noise happened because people suddenly decided to claim very loudly that movie is something it's not or acting like Phillips molested them. I don't get it, there was more violence when Frozen 2 was released, Natural Born Killers and Clockwork Orange had a bunch of copycat murders contributed to them and yet people act like incels rised up after the movie was released when nothing happened. Oddly similar to what happened in the actual movie when media and public elevated random murders on a train into something they weren't and it just went out of control, and people lost their shit. Ironically enough. Edited September 27 by Firepower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudalb Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, Blamo said: "It isn't that deep" My point exactly. It's in a lot of words to be sure but I'm saying that these movies aren't all that. That's it. I dunno what the hell else you're talking about I enjoyed the Joker, but was never thought it was that great a film, DId nothing that "Taxi Driver" had not done before, and done better. Phoenix's perfromance was easly the best thing about the movie. Edited September 27 by dudalb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 (edited) 48 minutes ago, dudalb said: DId nothing that "Taxi Driver" had not done before You mean thematically? If so, I have to disagree with that. It explored mental health aspect in a very different angle from Taxi Driver, with a very accurate depiction of a routine of clinically diagnosed mentally ill people (visiting overworked psychiatrist who doesn't really care, prescribed meds not helping, trouble getting meds, underfunded or closed institutions) on top of abuse and misunderstanding they can face among everyday folks. Travis has serious issues, but he functions very much like any normal person on a street with his problems surfacing when he tries to interact with people beyond surface level greetings and since he's a war vet he wasn't abused by different douchebags like Arthur because he could fight back if anyone tried. Edited September 27 by Firepower 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyPistola Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 I didn't really like the first one that much but this actually sounds pretty interesting! Will be a conversation starter that's for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudalb Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 On 9/27/2024 at 10:49 AM, Maggie said: I said Todd Phillips is a Genius because this ending will generate a lot of debate/controversy, weather we like it or not. Debate and Controversy do not automatically mean great box office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megajohn01 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 I can’t believe DC really pulled a Halloween Ends with this film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...