The New Mutants | August 28, 2020 | Rumors are saying it released, but no one we know saw it

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[TalismanRing]

26 minutes ago, Ryan Reynolds said:

They bought Fox show them respect instead of ruining their legacy. A 25m ad spend is nothing to Disney,  it's the craft service budget of a marvel film. They kicked Lucas out after buying Lucasfilm,  so i should have knew Disney does not care about legacy. 

Fox didn't show their own film respect and their legacy are bombs they didn't want to fix or release themselves.

 

If Lucas wanted a say in Lucas Films after he sold it for like $5B he should have negotiated it and maybe took a little less money.

[AJG]

This thing just leaked online. Shut this thread down.

[Blaze Heatnix]

2 hours ago, AJG said:

This thing just leaked online. Shut this thread down.

 

What?

[kitik]

[Morieris]

3 hours ago, AJG said:

This thing just leaked online. Shut this thread down.

 

Come hell or high water, someone was determined to release it.

[John Marston]

5 hours ago, AJG said:

This thing just leaked online. Shut this thread down.

 

[Avatree]

10 hours ago, Ryan Reynolds said:

They bought Fox show them respect instead of ruining their legacy. A 25m ad spend is nothing to Disney,  it's the craft service budget of a marvel film. They kicked Lucas out after buying Lucasfilm,  so i should have knew Disney does not care about legacy. 

If they don't believe they will see a return on $25 million extra spent on this film, then it would make business sense to just not release it - or rather, just stick it on Disney+ (which genuinely doesn't have distribution costs and can choose to spend no marketing)

 

Edited August 15, 2019 by Avatree

[terrestrial]

11 hours ago, Ryan Reynolds said:

They bought Fox show them respect instead of ruining their legacy. A 25m ad spend is nothing to Disney,  it's the craft service budget of a marvel film. They kicked Lucas out after buying Lucasfilm,  so i should have knew Disney does not care about legacy. 

Hmmm the producing studio seems to have showed respect by not releasing it in a way, as in respecting the fans to not let them cry over the result (as it seems not even be finished, as such not over the end-result).

And to distribute a movie like that, especially ww, multiply with 4x at least, maybe even with 6x or...

Lucas is not kicked out, he is their biggest share holder (overtook with the buy the then #1 shareholder ... Marvel's Ike)

 

He is 75 years old, when he wants to go to the sets, he does it.

He got to be a father in 2013 (married in that year also his GF), guess what he is doing also.

He finalised a movie he started to work on 15y before its release in 2015

 

in 2015

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Lucas sold his Lucas film group to Disney at the end of 2012, receiving $2.2billion in cash and 37.1 million Disney shares, according to regulatory filings. At the time, Lucas’s Disney shares were worth $1.9billion, giving the deal a total value of $4.1 billion.

But the shares he received are now also worth $4.1 billion, giving the Lucas film deal a total value of approximately $6.3 billion.

then in 2018

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Shares of Walt Disney are up 15.6 percent since last year and more than 127 percent since Disney purchased Lucasfilm six years ago today.

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It was widely reported at the time that Lucas intends to give the majority of the proceeds from the sale to charity.^[67][68] A spokesperson for Lucasfilm said, "George Lucas has expressed his intention, in the event the deal closes, to donate the majority of the proceeds to his philanthropic endeavors."^[68] Lucas also spoke on the matter: "For 41 years, the majority of my time and money has been put into the company. As I start a new chapter in my life, it is gratifying that I have the opportunity to devote more time and resources to philanthropy."^[68]

 

He had a lot of 'fun' to even find a usable location for his museum (as in not)...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Museum_of_Narrative_Art

 

Where did you get all those misinformations?

 

Edited August 15, 2019 by terrestrial
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[AJG]

5 hours ago, John Marston said:

 

[Litio]

1 hour ago, Avatree said:

If they don't believe they will see a return on $25 million extra spent on this film, then it would make business sense to just not release it - or rather, just stick it on Disney+ (which genuinely doesn't have distribution costs and can choose to spend no marketing)

 

They don't need to spend as much as $25m on ads. Just turns it in a fandom event like Dragon Ball Brolly with some digital marketing and they can get return.

 

43 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

Hmmm the producing studio seems to have showed respect by not releasing it in a way, as in respecting the fans to not let them cry over the result (as it seems not even be finished, as such not over the end-result).

And to distribute a movie like that, especially ww, multiply with 4x at least, maybe even with 6x or...

Not true.

According to Deadline, Fox spent $51m on P&A WW for Paper Towns,

Universal spent $44m for Unfriended, 

Sony + Focus spent $44m for Insidious 3 and these movies had saturated releases.

 

Source: https://deadline.com/2016/03/movie-profits-2015-paper-towns-insidious-chapter-3-second-best-exotic-marigold-hotel-1201725853/

 

Edited August 15, 2019 by Litio

[Avatree]

8 minutes ago, Litio said:

They don't need to spend as much as $25m on ads. Just turns it in a fandom event like Dragon Ball Brolly with some digital marketing and they can get return.

 

Not true.

According to Deadline, Fox spent $51m on P&A WW for Paper Towns,

Universal spent $44m for Unfriended, 

Sony spent $44m for Insidious 3 and these movies had saturated releases.

 

Source: https://deadline.com/2016/03/movie-profits-2015-paper-towns-insidious-chapter-3-second-best-exotic-marigold-hotel-1201725853/

 

Still distribution costs, and I mean, is the film even finished? If they still need to spend money on the movie to finish it... if that is the case I could well see Disney just pulling everything and shelving the film (don't want to tarnish Disney brand by releasing an unfinished film on disney+) permanently and it never sees the light of day.

[Litio]

1 minute ago, Avatree said:

Still distribution costs, and I mean, is the film even finished? If they still need to spend money on the movie to finish it... if that is the case I could well see Disney just pulling everything and shelving the film (don't want to tarnish Disney brand by releasing an unfinished film on disney+) permanently and it never sees the light of day.

Original filming was finished. If there's something more to finish is post production and it isn't so expensive for small movies.

[Avatree]

11 minutes ago, Litio said:

Original filming was finished. If there's something more to finish is post production and it isn't so expensive for small movies.

That's easy to say if the production went as intended. If that was the case this film would have been out last year.

 

Disney has said they dislike the current state of the film. Therefore, in order to finish the film to the standard they want, they would have to spend more money - whether it involves reshoots or just more time in the editing room. Either way if people are working on the film then it costs money. Because you have to pay people for their work.

There is no way around this. If they think it is unsalvageable then they have a decision to make as to whether the revenue it generates will sufficiently outweigh the extra money it costs. Or they can just write it off as a sunk cost. after all, Disney have not directly spent any of their own money on this film so probably easy for them to just say lets not spend anything at all and just abandon it.

 

Edited August 15, 2019 by Avatree

[terrestrial]

57 minutes ago, Litio said:

They don't need to spend as much as $25m on ads. Just turns it in a fandom event like Dragon Ball Brolly with some digital marketing and they can get return.

 

Not true.

According to Deadline, Fox spent $51m on P&A WW for Paper Towns,

Universal spent $44m for Unfriended, 

Sony + Focus spent $44m for Insidious 3 and these movies had saturated releases.

 

Source: https://deadline.com/2016/03/movie-profits-2015-paper-towns-insidious-chapter-3-second-best-exotic-marigold-hotel-1201725853/

 

That's about $5m budget movies

And in those cases they were not wary about the outcome, the goal wasn't the same, including other distributor ~ routes all over the world, in which cinemas and whatnot.

You can't compare a $200m budgeted movie with a $5m movie out of another genre, other production details / needs.

 

Beside that, Deadline has no idea about the real details, they use industry averages for it. Only in cases of hacked studios see Sony we will learn some more details

You'll weep if they release something like that for this (if they do not try again).

 

35 minutes ago, Litio said:

Original filming was finished. If there's something more to finish is post production and it isn't so expensive for small movies.

OMG

Between 'finished filming (seemingly only till the typical 1st 'its a rap') and a ~ supernatural movie being finished to release its tons of work to do.

 

wiki:

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Williams stated that there had been concerns during filming regarding the short turnaround from the end of photography to the previously set release date, especially with the amount of visual effects still needed to finish the film, and so the delay was "for the better".^[35] The additional photography was soon set for mid-2018, and was expected to include the addition of several new characters to the film who would be present throughout rather than just added cameo appearances.^[36][30]

Fox again delayed the film's release in March 2018, moving it away from the new February 2019 release date for Dark Phoenix to August 2, 2019;^[37] the reshoots required for the film were believed to be more extensive than previously considered, with the studio now wanting at least half of the film to be reshot.

 

The typical re-shots that the most movie get through, seem never to have taken place, after such a long time, that means rebuild of the sets (if the original hospital is still available, still need adjustments)

 

= if they will do the re-shoots, its not a thing of in between some other projects, means lots of coordination and energy also financial effort. And for that, you need the typical distribution, ads.... efforts as well.

 

 

A romance movie you can film with very low budgets, if you film something with CGI needed, watch Gabriel and see what happens:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0857376/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1

 

They did their version of low costs by the setting in part, looks like they 'reserved' quite some for the additional work needed. Lots of practical, 10% green screen on the original version, still practical needs enhancements, and so on, that's not $5m indie / low budget

 

 

 

[Boxofficerules]

13 hours ago, AJG said:

This thing just leaked online. Shut this thread down.

Did it really leak or is this guy just messing?

[LawrenceBrolivier]

Universal just shelved a completely finished movie because the president tweeted about it a bunch... yet it's somehow impossible for people to believe Disney.... who is almost singelhandedly propping the entire industry up on the back of its record profits.... might shelve an X-Men spinoff that isn't even finished and would cost them likely another 10-20 million just to dribble out on their streaming service, and more if they wanted it to go out theatrically?

The director isn't available... The stars aren't available.... Nothing is scheduled.... and the people in charge of the property don't like what they have... 

Why SHOULD this come out? IF it does, it will be announced as Disney and Marvel Studio's first X-Men movie... and it's guaranteed to suck... and to lose money... Why would anyone want this scenario to become reality? 

[AJG]

46 minutes ago, LawrenceBrolivier said:

IF it does, it will be announced as Disney and Marvel Studio's first X-Men movie... and it's guaranteed to suck... and to lose money... Why would anyone want this scenario to become reality? 

Errrr isnt this is still a Fox movie?

[LawrenceBrolivier]

It's a Feige movie now... and he reportedly doesn't want this....

And even if it is a "Fox" movie, the fact Disney owns it now means it's Disney. If Feige signs off on finishing and paying to release it would make it Marvel. The "Fox" distinction is branding, and nothing more... And it wouldn't protect them from the losses this thing is guaranteed to incur, either... 

Edited August 15, 2019 by LawrenceBrolivier

[AJG]

9 minutes ago, LawrenceBrolivier said:

It's a Feige movie now... and he reportedly doesn't want this....

And even if it is a "Fox" movie, the fact Disney owns it now means it's Disney. The fact Feige signed off on finishing and paying to release it would make it Marvel. The "Fox" distinction is branding, and nothing more... And it wouldn't protect them from the losses this thing is guaranteed to incur, either... 

 

So? There's no indication that they'll use Marvel Studios branding on the movie. Literally nobody would know.