Accursed Arachnid!™ Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Elba is the worst possible choice, critically and, more importantly, commercially. It would be ridiculed until the end of time, and gross less than Johnny English. Johnny English? Less than 30m? Seriously? And not being as widely accepted does not mean it would be "ridiculed". Craig has said that the world is ready for a gay Bond, I think it's past ready for an ethnic version. But, to be perfectly honest, anyone taking over the role from Craig is going to have a hard time following him, regardless of his ethnicity or sexuality. Elba has as much a chance as any actor of his caliber to do it. I want Fass, not because he's white, but because I like him better as an actor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Toymaker Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Craig? So what? You're quoting him like he's some sort of authority on the Bond franchise. The world is not ready for a gay Bond because that would be ridiculous, even moreso than a black Bond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvikk Lunsj Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Craig? So what? You're quoting him like he's some sort of authority on the Bond franchise. The world is not ready for a gay Bond because that would be ridiculous, even moreso than a black Bond.Come off it, Algren. you love if Sly was Bond's boyfriend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Could we please keep 'gay' and 'black' out of the bond forums please, it's giving me nightmares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Wang Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Could we please keep 'gay' and 'black' out of the bond forums please, it's giving me nightmares.Someone needs to learn to grow up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Someone needs to learn to grow up.And someone needs to keep their political views away from bond. Ian Flemming made the character a straight white man. The only people who think he should be black are pretentious idiots like you who want to come across as politically correct. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Elba is the worst possible choice, critically and, more importantly, commercially. It would be ridiculed until the end of time, and gross less than Johnny English. For a box office forum member, you don't know much about box office. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandias Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) It's pretty simple. James Bond isn't black. I'm by no means racist, but it makes no sense to make James Bond black.Like, what happened if they cast a black guy as Bond, did he just wake up one morning and turned into a black guy? It just doesn't make sense to do so. I don't know about anybody else, but I don't have the ability to change my skin color.And the argument that Craig is the first blonde Bond honestly is completely irrelevant. A blonde Bond makes much more sense than a black Bond. And another argument I don't like is Nick Fury being black. At least Nick Fury was black in some comics (and was actually based off of Samuel L Jackson).Again, not racist, just using logic. I don't want skin colors of my film characters to change. I don't want a black Bond as much as I wouldn't want a white Morpheus, Blade, or Storm.They can make a movie about a black spy without naming him James Bond.Its like casting a white guy for a Blade reboot or a Chinese guy for Captain America. Its just stupid. These characters were invented a certain way. This racist talk about wanting consistency is bullshit. Edited October 28, 2012 by Shpongle 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesypoofs Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 You're ok with the fact that one character has been portrayed by 6 different actors spanning 50 years? That is acceptable but having him be black isn't?He is a character. This series will never die, in another 50 years he will still be going. Will he be 100 years old in the film? No.To answer your question, no I can't just change the color of my skin. Then again I can't stop my self from aging and I don't suddenly look like another person altogether.No offense, but that is the lamest argument I've heard. Of course they're not going to cast a 100-year old. That makes as much sense as casting a black person. I don't know why you and others have a problem with others not wanting Bond's skin color to change. If there were talks of casting a white person in a black role, there would be a major controversy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvikk Lunsj Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Unless the person is playing a historical figure, I could less what the skin color of the person is. Just get a good actor for the part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Wang Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 No offense, but that is the lamest argument I've heard. Of course they're not going to cast a 100-year old. That makes as much sense as casting a black person. I don't know why you and others have a problem with others not wanting Bond's skin color to change. If there were talks of casting a white person in a black role, there would be a major controversy. I was responding to your post. This one specifically: Like, what happened if they cast a black guy as Bond, did he just wake up one morning and turned into a black guy? It just doesn't make sense to do so. I don't know about anybody else, but I don't have the ability to change my skin color. My argument makes as much sense as yours does. What I meant was, you are just fine with completely different people portraying the same character over the span of 50 years(while never aging), but you change the color of his skin, and that is where you draw the line? And another argument I don't like is Nick Fury being black. At least Nick Fury was black in some comics (and was actually based off of Samuel L Jackson).He was white until the Ultimate line at Marvel started, then he miraculously changed color! He was white. Now he is black. They can make a movie about a black spy without naming him James Bond. So instead of having a really great actor have a chance at a great role, we would have to come up with something for him because he is black? "Sorry, Mr. Elba, this is the whites only stack of scripts. Please choose something from this stack over here, it's for black people." That is what I am hearing from some of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) Nothing tangible or thematic about Bond's color or race makes him Bond. Just give us a badass British spy. Everything else doesn't matter. Then again, the internet always freaks out about trivial crap like this. Remember when Daniel Craig was supposedly not right for Bond because he had blonde hair? Conveniently, everyone shut up about that when Casino Royale came out. http://danielcraigisnotbond.com/index/ Edited October 28, 2012 by Gopher 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 So instead of having a really great actor have a chance at a great role, we would have to come up with something for him because he is black? "Sorry, Mr. Elba, this is the whites only stack of scripts. Please choose something from this stack over here, it's for black people." That is what I am hearing from some of you. Would you please just be quiet now, your getting tedius annoying. I'm sure Idris Elba would understand if he wasn't cast due to skin colour. Guess what, I'm black and I think casting a non-Caucasian actor to play Bond just isn't right, now quit your moaning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Toymaker Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 For a box office forum member, you don't know much about box office.For a supposed intellect, you don't know much about reading between the lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 (edited) I didn't realize there was layers to what you post.Django is a freed slave and Black Dynamite is a parody of the 70s blacksploitation era. Race is essential to those characters. Bond's whiteness isn't essential to Bond. He's British and a spy for MI6. That's what all the Bond actors so far have in common. Edited October 29, 2012 by Gopher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 (edited) Its like casting a white guy for a Blade reboot or a Chinese guy for Captain America. Its just stupid. These characters were invented a certain way. This racist talk about wanting consistency is bullshit. it could work... Edited October 29, 2012 by Jessie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil in the Blank Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 I think if people are asked to describe Bond, the word 'white' is not likely to appear in that description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishstick Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Nothing tangible or thematic about Bond's color or race makes him Bond.One tnagible thing makes him Bond - he is male! So fuck off feminists, Sasha Crone and other destroyers of good cinema. Bond will NOT be Starbuck`d! You cna pull that shit with a Z-list cult character but not with the mainstream icon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grey ghost Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 It used to be Bond could only have brown hair. Now Daniel Craig is considered one of best Bonds ever.So maybe the limits of what Bond should look like should be pushed even further.In fact I wouldn't mind a lesbian Bond at some point.There's been over 22 white male Bond movies. It's time for some experimentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesypoofs Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I think if people are asked to describe Bond, the word 'white' is not likely to appear in that description.If they were asked to describe as much as they could about him, they would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
