Rudolf Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 The problem is, in some countries they changed the title to make it even more generic and vague. In Spain is something like "Oz: A Fantasy World". The best way to advertize for the movie around the world, would have been using Judy Garland singing some tunes from the 1939 movie. Probably legaly impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halba Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) 215M. 470M. Will get 225M DOM so you are saying ONLY 245M OS? Are you joining the Summer game? yes under 500m WW is my prediction based on the numbers on this board. It is forecast to get less OS than DOM. its a flop. i dont count other ancillary revenues, as they are complicated to get profit, only the pure box office run to see if a film is profitable. based on a film run, its a net negative, so its a flop. Edited March 12, 2013 by Halba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) based on a film run, its a net negative, so its a flop. By that definition, most movies are flops. Edited March 12, 2013 by Telemachos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 yes under 500m WW is my prediction based on the numbers on this board. It is forecast to get less OS than DOM. its a flop. i dont count other ancillary revenues, as they are complicated to get profit, only the pure box office run to see if a film is profitable. based on a film run, its a net negative, so its a flop. 1) Not counting other sources is silly, studios don't care how much money from just one part of their revenues. 2) You don't actually know it will lose money from the theatrical run, we don't really know how yet how much it will gross yet, and we will never know how much of that the studio will make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 1) Not counting other sources is silly, studios don't care how much money from just one part of their revenues. 2) You don't actually know it will lose money from the theatrical run, we don't really know how yet how much it will gross yet, and we will never know how much of that the studio will make. Some studios make win/loss of all their movies public on a quarterly basis. So you can calculate whether a movie makes a profit by going through all the relevant quarters. Idon't know whether Disney does that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Here's a look at Disney's 4th quarter report of 2012 ... look at the differences between segments! "Studio Entertainment" (which we're talking about here) is responsible for only between 10 and 15% of Disney's business. The "Media Network" sector is nearly 4 times as big! So, with current projections, no, Oz is not a flop and Disney will make money with it and there will be a sequel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Here's a look at Disney's 4th quarter report of 2012 ... look at the differences between segments! "Studio Entertainment" (which we're talking about here) is responsible for only between 10 and 15% of Disney's business. The "Media Network" sector is nearly 4 times as big! So, with current projections, no, Oz is not a flop and Disney will make money with it and there will be a sequel.But they do not show how much money for instance Avengers has made in that quarter. Pinocchio has shown that Dreamworks (If I remeber correctly) shows that number for each movie generating revenue in that quarter. So you can accumulate all win/loss throught the quarters.That would be interesting, to see how much money they still make with Cars2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halba Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) 1) Not counting other sources is silly, studios don't care how much money from just one part of their revenues. 2) You don't actually know it will lose money from the theatrical run, we don't really know how yet how much it will gross yet, and we will never know how much of that the studio will make. based on projections, it will gross up to 500m WW the projections are usually accurate as its been open for a bit now. at best ,its not profitable for the studio. the reviews pretty much have determined this one, pretty weak at 6/10 on RT. Rarely do poor reviewed films get a high box office unless its an established franchise like twilight. the last good ones with this sort of budget, were skyfall, hobbit and dark knight rises ,2 of which were around 90% RT(skyfall, tdkr) and hobbit was 65%. all three exceeded 1 bill WW. with this sort of budget, $800m+ is what the studio should be aiming at. they failed in their projections and did not deliver(sam raimi has been disappointing with Spidey III and now this) Edited March 13, 2013 by Halba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 But they do not show how much money for instance Avengers has made in that quarter. Pinocchio has shown that Dreamworks (If I remeber correctly) shows that number for each movie generating revenue in that quarter. So you can accumulate all win/loss throught the quarters.That would be interesting, to see how much money they still make with Cars2. Yep, I just wanted to show how small the actual impact of boxoffice receipts is for Disney, and how important tv/theme parks. For a flop like John Carter, it will be difficult to recoup investments, but Oz is easily a winner for Disney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wileECoyote Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Yep, I just wanted to show how small the actual impact of boxoffice receipts is for Disney, and how important tv/theme parks. For a flop like John Carter, it will be difficult to recoup investments, but Oz is easily a winner for Disney.Nicely said. Disney is much bigger than just its film division so a lot of their decisions will be based on what can help the overall business. Oz is a better fit for Disney, than JC, because of the whole fantasy aspect of it and its definitely more family oriented. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Marvel Fanboy Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 The adventure fantasy has raced to approximately $87m through Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures International and opened in France and Belgium on Wednesday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 When does it open in China? I think Oz can reach 250m excluding China, so 300m might be possible overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Marvel Fanboy Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 When does it open in China? I think Oz can reach 250m excluding China, so 300m might be possible overall. 3.29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickvD Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Sold out crowd in the Netherlands on friday night. Heard some people talking about Wicked, so I think that production's immense popularity could lead to a strong opening weekend (a Dutch actress is currently headlining Wicked on Broadway as Elphaba). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmpro Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 When does it open in China? I think Oz can reach 250m excluding China, so 300m might be possible overall. Easter is comming soon in EU and legs could be strong. Don´t sell it short yet Fake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmpro Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 3.29 Could it be big there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 1) Not counting other sources is silly, studios don't care how much money from just one part of their revenues. 2) You don't actually know it will lose money from the theatrical run, we don't really know how yet how much it will gross yet, and we will never know how much of that the studio will make. Some people have one of these: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 based on projections, it will gross up to 500m WW the projections are usually accurate as its been open for a bit now. at best ,its not profitable for the studio. the reviews pretty much have determined this one, pretty weak at 6/10 on RT. Rarely do poor reviewed films get a high box office unless its an established franchise like twilight. the last good ones with this sort of budget, were skyfall, hobbit and dark knight rises ,2 of which were around 90% RT(skyfall, tdkr) and hobbit was 65%. all three exceeded 1 bill WW. with this sort of budget, $800m+ is what the studio should be aiming at. they failed in their projections and did not deliver(sam raimi has been disappointing with Spidey III and now this) Nearly 4X their production budget? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 46.6M weekend 136.8M total Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Marston Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 (edited) 46.6M weekend 136.8M total good hold, but the total doesn't seem that impressive Edited March 17, 2013 by John Marston 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
