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Star Wars Episode IX | December 20 2019 | JJ Abrams to direct

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4 hours ago, DMan7 said:

Are people in here really thinking this can't do 1B+ WW? :winomg:

Depends on fanbase reception, marketing and competition. Solo results and TLJ legs show that things are not good for the franchise. They need to pull off a miracle to avoid another huge drop. Something like 550 DOM and 400 OS is a possibility.

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6:44 is one of the reasons I‘m glad Rian did this movie and the way he wanted. Reminds me of watching The Director and the Jedi documentary again.

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4 hours ago, Brainbug said:

 

Some i think are overestimating how many people actually disliked TLJ.

 

With a great marketing campaign and ofc by delivering a pleasing, critically acclaimed final product, i fail to see why Episode IX shoundt be able to do TLJ-numbers worldwide. China is gone for SW, but with a slightly bigger DOM gross, thats not a big issue.

 

If the film is great, i predict 700M+ DOM and 1,3B+ WW for it.

 

 

So Star Wars which has become a smaller brand then the MCU  domestically will beat movies like BP and IW or even Endgame with no real hook and after a very divisive sequel?

 

I think Solo showed us people wont mindlessly watch something with SW attached to it as MANY people on here assumed would be the case.

 

I personally think it will be a huge win if it repeats TLJ numbers. 

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4 minutes ago, Lordmandeep said:

 

 

So Star Wars which has become a smaller brand then the MCU  domestically will beat movies like BP and IW or even Endgame with no real hook and after a very divisive sequel?

 

I think Solo showed us people wont mindlessly watch something with SW attached to it as MANY people on here assumed would be the case.

 

I personally think it will be a huge win if it repeats TLJ numbers. 

 

I predicted 650M at max for TFA, before it came out. Since then i learned to NEVER underestimate a main episode SW Film domestically. TLJ legs were cut short, because it proved to be divisive. If Episode IX is a real crowd-pleaser like TFA, i think that it will outgross TLJ even with an opening in the 180-200M range.

 

Thats just my opinion.

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1 minute ago, Brainbug said:

 

I predicted 650M at max for TFA, before it came out. Since then i learned to NEVER underestimate a main episode SW Film domestically. TLJ legs were cut short, because it proved to be divisive. If Episode IX is a real crowd-pleaser like TFA, i think that it will outgross TLJ even with an opening in the 180-200M range.

 

Thats just my opinion.

TFA was about nostalgia

 

TLJ was a middle finger to it.

 

so lets see what episode 9 is like lol. 

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GA interest in this franchise seriously depends on the fanbase interest. SW is one of the very few franchises that heavily depends on its fans, especially old ones, those who watch movies 10 times in a theater and buy all those toys. Fanbase didn't care about Solo and so GA, especially OS, and that's what happened. That's actually why JW2 didn't have huge drop, it's not fan-driven franchise at all and much more GA friendly. I mean if Episode 9 reception and overall "atmosphere" around it is toxic, it'll definitely affect BO numbers. GA would be more interested in watching Jumanji 3 than another SW movie surrounded with negativity and hate after not so well-received previous two.

2 hours ago, Lordmandeep said:

TFA was about nostalgia

 

TLJ was a middle finger to it.

 

so lets see what episode 9 is like lol. 

I can bet Episode 9 will be about nostalgia. They probably know that another huge drop is unavoidable if they won't please fans and GA, even if they don't admit it publicly.

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OW is going to be incredibly crucial. JJ's going to deliver something that at least aims to please crowds. This is not time to experiment and go against the flow the way RJ did with TLJ. You can do that with spin-offs but this is going to be tailor made for fans and general audiences who want to see certain things. I would not be surprised if Iger/Horn gave Kennedy a laundry list of things to include in the film who then gave it to JJ and specifically told him to get it done.

 

Disney's not one to ignore the public opinions of their constituents. They are masters of pleasing the masses when it's on the line. Just look at the fact that they apparently "fired" Depp from any future Pirates movies. 

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This will crack 1B thanks to domestic but OS will go below TLJ. The franchise is dead in Asia minus Japan and South America, and I don't think that OW increase in traditional markets will make up for it. I also expect average legs so even if it opens higher than TLJ in those markets it won't make more in totals. So OS under 700M (TLJ crawled to that number) and dom in 600M, that's enough for under TLJ even if it's by few millions. 

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What this movie definetly needs is an epic lightsaber duel. The one in TFA was acceptable, the one in TLJ artistically incredible, but way too short; im not asking for another Anakin vs Obi-Wan (that was TOO LONG), but they need to do better in that area.

 

Most Fan-made SW short films have way better choreography than the new movies.

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34 minutes ago, Firepower said:

GA interest in this franchise seriously depends on the fanbase interest. SW is one of the very few franchises that heavily depends on its fans, especially old ones, those who watch movies 10 times in a theater and buy all those toys. Fanbase didn't care about Solo and so GA, especially OS, and that's what happened. That's actually why JW2 didn't have huge drop, it's not fan-driven franchise at all and much more GA friendly. I mean if Episode 9 reception and overall "atmosphere" around it is toxic, it'll definitely affect BO numbers. GA would be more interested in watching Jumanji 3 than another SW movie surrounded with negativity and hate after not so well-received previous two.

I can bet Episode 9 will about nostalgia. They probably know that another huge drop is unavoidable if they won't please fans and GA, even if they don't admit it publicly.

 

 

but but but I thought it was cool to say "fuck the fans"

 

Reality is without the Fans, Star Wars films made lately would be making as much money as BR2049. 

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1 minute ago, Brainbug said:

What this movie definetly needs is an epic lightsaber duel. The one in TFA was acceptable, the one in TLJ artistically incredible, but way too short; im not asking for another Anakin vs Obi-Wan (that was TOO LONG), but they need to do better in that area.

 

Most Fan-made SW short films have way better choreography than the new movies.

 


The Anakin vs Obi Wan fight was long but it spawned like a dozen memes. 

 

The highground will never mean the same again... 

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1 hour ago, Giesi said:

 

6:44 is one of the reasons I‘m glad Rian did this movie and the way he wanted. Reminds me of watching The Director and the Jedi documentary again.

Good video, nice to have a reminder why TLJ is my favorite Star Wars film admist the non-stop hate Train that’s gone on for a year now.

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4 minutes ago, PANDA said:

Good video, nice to have a reminder why TLJ is my favorite Star Wars film admist the non-stop hate Train that’s gone on for a year now.

It‘s your favorite? I don‘t think ESB can be topped. At first I had TLJ at third place, but it moved up one place as I‘m enjoying it more and more, so many great themes and visuals.

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46 minutes ago, Firepower said:

I can bet Episode 9 will about nostalgia. They probably know that another huge drop is unavoidable if they won't please fans and GA, even if they don't admit it publicly.

The question is, what kinds of nostalgic things from the OT can they still use for this one? Harrison Ford isn’t coming back, Mark Hamill is stuck playing a Force ghost and Carrie Fisher is dead. The only other thing this film really seems to have going for it is Billy Dee Williams as Lando. I suppose Abrams could bring back the Ewoks, but given how divisive those things are, I'm not sure if people would care to see them again. 

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5 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:

The question is, what kinds of nostalgic things from the OT can they still use for this one? Harrison Ford isn’t coming back, Mark Hamill is stuck playing a Force ghost

Force Luke with Force Kenobi, Force Yoda, Force Anakin... Imagine them all charging in battle on tauntauns.

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2 minutes ago, Giesi said:

It‘s your favorite? I don‘t think ESB can be topped. At first I had TLJ at third place, but it moved up one place as I‘m enjoying it more and more, so many great themes and visuals.

Probably will bounce between it and ESB.

 

I just love the commitment to making art in TLJ that isn’t as present in the other SW movies.  There’s a more nuanced thematic purpose, and I love the themes of failure and the deconstruction of legend and hero archetypes.

 

So granted, I probably love TLJ for doing all the things that the haters hate it for. 

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19 minutes ago, PANDA said:

Probably will bounce between it and ESB.

 

I just love the commitment to making art in TLJ that isn’t as present in the other SW movies.  There’s a more nuanced thematic purpose, and I love the themes of failure and the deconstruction of legend and hero archetypes.

 

So granted, I probably love TLJ for doing all the things that the haters hate it for. 

 

I compare TLJ and IW as they are similar films about failure and subverting expectations. 

 

IW did a much better job in showcasing the themes of failure and our heroes be unwilling to sacrifice enough.

 

Those themes in TLJ did not really land with the audience as a whole due to a clunky plot. When people have issues with the story or start nitpicking things, the themes usually go over people's heads. 

 

The film has had themes that did not land at all though

- All the themes around the Casino Planet 

- 'fight the ones you love not the ones you hate. '

 

 

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IW has better characters, much better, too. Finn, Poe, Rose, Holdo are garbage tier. Two of them were shit in TFA already but TLJ made it obvious once the shine of novelty wore off. That's the main problem with new SW movies inability to create engaging new characters. MCU wouldn't have lasted this long if characters were shit. People can overlook formulaic plot and bland villains if heroes are great and MCU ones are. 

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1 hour ago, WittyUsername said:

Mark Hamill is stuck playing a Force ghost.

They can actually ressurect him, it's easy, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they do. Abrams can bring back Luke as a part of course correction and throw an excuse like he didn't die, just teleported somewhere for some reason, fans would eat it, no doubt.

16 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

IW has better characters, much better, too. Finn, Poe, Rose, Holdo are garbage tier.

This. Basically what Johnson did is killed the past, but didn't offer the future. At least Abrams gave Kylo Ren, Knights of Ren and some other cool things. Johnson gave nothing and also made Rey even less interesting character, killing all intrigue around her, so there's basically just one good new character, but he can't carry the trilogy on his own.

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