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What were the "in-your-face" politics in TLJ?  War profiteering is bad?  Abusing animals is bad?  Are these even political?

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On 1/17/2020 at 3:25 AM, Knights of Ren said:

That would be a big turnoff for me.  I love Star Wars when it is dark, challenging, and thought provoking.  My least favorite parts are when it’s light hearted, adventure, “fun”, ect.  
 

 

It’s going to sound weird but I know a Star Wars film is good when I feel like I got kicked in the teeth when I walk out the theatre.  I need the film to beat me down and really challenge my thought process.  This is probably why ROTS, TLJ, and ESB are my favorite.  All require a lot of though process and are challenging at face value . 

TPM is extremely dark in some places. So is AotC. Darker than anything on TLJ

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2 and a half hours of non stop constant stuff..... no breaks...... I saw Rise of Skywalker a week or so after it came out.

A 3 minute break for a piss and a beer caused massive confusion, 17 new charcaters and plot points appear out of nowhere.

some films that long need a break or downtime I think (bring back intermissions).

Did a review/rant on things I didn't understand or didn't make sense from the Film for the channel.

Spoliers !!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO1mAwuBNXU

Rise of Skywalker stuff at (03:32)

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JJ really must have taken George’s, “It’s like poetry, it rhymes” to heart!  What a satisfying way for the Skywalkers to go out, dying in the hands of their loved one!  Smh a damn tragedy. 

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3 minutes ago, Knights of Ren said:

JJ really must have taken George’s, “It’s like poetry, it rhymes” to heart!  What a satisfying way for the Skywalkers to go out, dying in the hands of their loved one!  Smh a damn tragedy. 

Don't worry, Rey's pregnant. Ghost Kylo is going to be a dad!

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1 hour ago, MrGlass2 said:

Don't worry, Rey's pregnant. Ghost Kylo is going to be a dad!

Damn...Don't give the Disney suits ideas...They would literally follow through...

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5 hours ago, WeneedtotalkaboutKevin said:

 

This man ate a picture of JJ Abrams because he bet against TROS passing a billion.

 

 

That is an alpha male. A man of his word.  @WrathOfHan   @IronJimbo

I assume you're tagging me because I'm an alpha male?

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17 hours ago, ZackM said:

What were the "in-your-face" politics in TLJ?  War profiteering is bad?  Abusing animals is bad?  Are these even political?

I mean, I completely agree with both of those positions.  Yet, I was annoyed by that scene.  Its funny, because I actually love Black Panther, which is very political and has positions that aren't as clear cut.

 

I think what bugged me was how obtuse it was.  They didn't even try to weave it into the story organically- they just had two of the characters go on a side quest and had one of them lecture the other about social injustice.  It took me out of the movie.

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I agree about war profiteering. It was an unnecessary throwaway reference because they didn't do anything with it.  They weren't going to paint the Resistance as shady since they were designated good guys, and they weren't going to have Finn leave with DJ, or even question the Resistance rightousness, since they already decided that his character arc was becoming a dedicated Rebel 2.0. In the end of the day, OT world was B&W and ST wanted to emulate OT and purge references to PT (which was grey). So inserting grey reference into B&W world didn't make it more colorful. it was pointless. it's like Chekhov's gun. if it won't go off don't write it into the story.

 

Mind you, I think that the movie suggested something interesting but that didn't matter for it didn't develope it. So you end up hung up on why it is there more than on what could have been. 

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The war 'reality of war' stuff in TLJ was well-intentioned but poorly executed. Rose lecturing Finn makes no sense because he more than anyone knew how shit war was - he left the First Order for precisely that reason.  

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D&D: "Rian kinda forgot about why Finn left FO in TFA". 

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47 minutes ago, Hatebox said:

The war 'reality of war' stuff in TLJ was well-intentioned but poorly executed. Rose lecturing Finn makes no sense because he more than anyone knew how shit war was - he left the First Order for precisely that reason.  

JJ made Finn a character that was content to simply leave the First Order behind.  RJ had to give him a reason to stand against them if his inclusion in the story was going to make any sense moving forward.  As has been pointed out, the brutality of war wouldn't suffice as he's already aware of it.  So RJ introduced him to the business of war instead.  It was a creative way to handle the nonsensical situation that was given to him.

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14 hours ago, WeneedtotalkaboutKevin said:

 

This man ate a picture of JJ Abrams because he bet against TROS passing a billion.

 

 

That is an alpha male. A man of his word.  @WrathOfHan   @IronJimbo

That is why a lot of the trolls only come out on the internet but don't dare showing up at actual conventions. Because in real life they are people like that dude. 

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6 minutes ago, ZackM said:

JJ made Finn a character that was content to simply leave the First Order behind.  RJ had to give him a reason to stand against them if his inclusion in the story was going to make any sense moving forward.  As has been pointed out, the brutality of war wouldn't suffice as he's already aware of it.  So RJ introduced him to the business of war instead.  It was a creative way to handle the nonsensical situation that was given to him.

It's entirely plausible that Han Solo's sacrifice would have already given Finn this reason though. It was not necessary for him to go through that arc, Rian decided that was what he wanted to do.

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What I loved the most about TLJ was the message that cultural elitism, war mongering, child slavery, and animal cruelty could all be solved by letting wild animals trample vast amounts of civilians to death in a casino.

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We left Finn in TFA as a  near dead janitor that likes to run from conflict and scream Rey a lot.  RJ didn’t have much to work with so he at least gave him somewhat of an arc. 

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9 minutes ago, Menor said:

It's entirely plausible that Han Solo's sacrifice would have already given Finn this reason though. It was not necessary for him to go through that arc, Rian decided that was what he wanted to do.

Need to remember that Finn had only known Han Solo for a couple days. 

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19 minutes ago, ZackM said:

It was a creative way to handle the nonsensical situation that was given to him.

I see a lot of defense of TFA nonsense and attacks on TLJ because it didn't do X, Y, Z. But when you objectively look at it, these are the guidelines that TFA left for TLJ:

 

Luke is in self-exile blaming himself for his nephew's turn and the fall of his Jedi school. TLJ deals with Luke's self-exile and gives a bit of the background on why the turn/fall happened. 

 

Rey flies to Ahch-to and offers Luke's lightsaber to Luke. How TLJ was to continue from there was literlaly left to TLJ. TFA forced that the scene needed a resolution in TLJ but not how. 

 

Snoke orders Hux to bring him Kylo to finish his trianing. TLJ sees Kylo brought to Snoke and later Snoke revealed that if Kylo killed Rey he would complete his training. 

 

Finn is left in coma. this is the only case where TFA left no guidelines to TLJ so it was up to TLJ whether he would wake up at all let alone what he would do after. 

 

So all in all, TLJ did follow the guidelines where they were in place. It's just that some fans expected that follow up would have a different outcome or they felt that outcome didn't satisfy after they saw the movie.

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2 minutes ago, RockyMountain said:

Need to remember that Finn had only known Han Solo for a couple days. 

He knew him as a Rebellion general and war hero before that. I don't think it would have been implausible at all for Han's sacrifice to have inspired Finn to believe in the Resistance. I don't hate his TLJ arc but I feel like it wasn't the most interesting option.

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