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From Jason Ward:

By the way, a few sources saw The Mandalorian and they say it is the best live action Star Wars they've watched since they first saw Star Wars itself as kids. Hyperbole? Maybe. But I heard it twice today. I think it is worth getting excited for.

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The DCEU has also been a victim of false rumors and constant negativity from the blogs, this is nothing new. Fans need to stop giving them clicks and attention.

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Re: Test Screening BS. here's the deal. he's reacting to leaks while acting like the movie was actually seen which is BS. Due to mention of leaks (no details) I'm putting this in tags because his "test screening" that ranked Act 1,2, 3 is really ranking leak's Act 1, 2, 3.

 

 

TROS synopsis leaked. It's real and the video contains an actual spoiler from it so careful. Nothing you couldn't predict but still. So anyway, the leak is detailed and broken down into 3 acts. Everyone hates it. So this guy made up those test screenings as an obvious reaction to the leak. How I know? Well, he says that the movie was shown in 3 parts so that audience could rate each act. LMAO! That's not how test screenings work at all. And, lo and behold, reactions are predictably exactly like fandom reaction to leak's Act 1, Act 2 and Act 3:

 


 

Act 1 - highest rated 

Act 2 - rating goes significantly down 

Act 3 - riots

 

Now comes the fun part. He invents three Act 3 cuts (because, somehow, LFL knew there would be controversy and assured they filmed different Act 3 three times, lolololol)  and credits each to a different LFL figure so reactions are the following:

 

KK cut is received with boo's (it's the same as the leak)

Iger cut is received well (it's the most laughable fan service)

Lucas cut is received with raves (it's the most WTF LMAO BS but hey it's Lucas our Lord and Savior who turns poop into gold)

 

 

I don't have to point out that this is a pure Youtuber fantasy where KK is driven away with pitchforks, while Lucas Christ saves the world and Iger, while a good guy who gets fandom desire for dumb fan service, is no Lucas. 

 

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

 

I mean, this is a troll job and it's remarkable that so many people are sharing this troll post believing there's something in it.  Well done, Doomcock! :bravo:

 

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We're laughing but mister Dicktor Von Doomcock probably made $200 of that video, this will not be his last inside scoop

1 hour ago, jason1230 said:

From Jason Ward:

By the way, a few sources saw The Mandalorian and they say it is the best live action Star Wars they've watched since they first saw Star Wars itself as kids. Hyperbole? Maybe. But I heard it twice today. I think it is worth getting excited for.

 

Every new Star Wars movie is the beSt siNce EmpiRe, this is the best since the original Star Wars, so I'm expecting good things lol

 
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Yep, TROS reactions copypasta from TFA and TLJ reactions will state it's the best since Empire. 

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who wants to take a bet that the some of the fans who end up enjoying Rise of Skywalker but are followers of G+G and Doomcock will say that the only reason the film ended up good was because Lucas stepped in.

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3 minutes ago, Jabba'sMoofmilker said:

who wants to take a bet that the some of the fans who end up enjoying Rise of Skywalker but are followers of G+G and Doomcock will say that the only reason the film ended up good was because Lucas stepped in.

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tough luck for that would require "reported" Lucas "cut" to be in the movie and since it's Doomcock's fantasy, unless Disney thinks Doomcock  should be credited for saving the franchise with his cut, no cigar. :lol:

 

re: Mandalorian, please guys, take it to Mandalorian thread. Not everyone cares and it is off topic. 

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1 hour ago, Valonqar said:

tough luck for that would require "reported" Lucas "cut" to be in the movie and since it's Doomcock's fantasy, unless Disney thinks Doomcock  should be credited for saving the franchise with his cut, no cigar. :lol:

 

 

How Doomcock saved Rise of Skywalker: A Star Wars Story

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54 minutes ago, Napoleon said:

The DCEU has also been a victim of false rumors and constant negativity from the blogs, this is nothing new. Fans need to stop giving them clicks and attention.

So was The Joker, but not from the same people and not for the same reasons

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3 minutes ago, Jabba'sMoofmilker said:

How Doomcock saved Rise of Skywalker: A Star Wars Story

May just be the movie to save the whole franchise! :bravo:

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5 hours ago, Xftg123 said:

Its quite sad to see how the franchise has fallen at the box office. After the whole thing with Solo, the box office for this thing is definitely unpredictable. Hell, even the International gross has gone down. For comparison:

 

-The Force Awakens=1.13B

 

-The Last Jedi=712M

Um, you do realize that this isn't any proof for "how the franchise has fallen", yes?

 

It was blindingly obvious from the get go that TLJ couldn't possibly hope to match TFA's international numbers, because those numbers went way beyond what a Star Wars movie normally does in those markets. TFA came in with a ton of hype, which reached audiences that normally don't go out to see such a movie. This in turn lead to record-breaking numbers, which further fueled interest in markets that didn't really know much about Star Wars, mostly because they were too small of a market when the OT or PT were around. All this dropped down to normal levels once this immediate hype was over. Which for the newer markets meant interest went down a ton, because TFA wasn't exactly popular there.

 

Star Wars movies were not at the peak of international franchises. TPM was huge, but didn't even match Jurassic Park worldwide, which came out six years earlier. AOTC was very far away from the international intakes from franchises like LOTR or Harry Potter. And while ROTS fared better, it still had no chance against the big international franchises either. Yet TFA made over 1b worldwide without needing China for it. Something only Titanic and Avatar had managed at that time. Indeed, no movies came eben close to that mark, with the next best one being the last Harry Potter at a tiny bit below 900m without China. This should be a rather clear indication that this sort of performance is not the norm for the franchise. It is the outlier, and therefore useless as guideline for what the franchise "should" do.

 

So no, the franchise hasn't fallen off at the box office in general terms. It merely returned to where it had been in the past as well. TLJ went right towards the territory you could have expected from past Star Wars movies. In terms of admissions its core markets hover around or above the numbers ROTS had, with the occasional market that comes in a bit below (like Japan).

 

This whole thing is merely a repeat of the past. A gigantic movie followed by two big ones, before a new trilogy arrives many years later, which comes in the form of one gigantic movie followd by two big ones. And now, again years later, a new trilogy comes around, with one gigantic movie and (likely) two big ones. Trying to portray this as some sort of shocking downfall is simply absurd, as it ignores the entire box office history of the franchise.

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Imagining what it would have been like were social media was a thing back then. YiBe40t.png

 

(is this my way of saying "Don't take comments that actors say about their characters or their roles too seriously?)

((Maaaaaaaaaybe :ph34r:))

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5 hours ago, George Parr said:

Um, you do realize that this isn't any proof for "how the franchise has fallen", yes?

 

It was blindingly obvious from the get go that TLJ couldn't possibly hope to match TFA's international numbers, because those numbers went way beyond what a Star Wars movie normally does in those markets. TFA came in with a ton of hype, which reached audiences that normally don't go out to see such a movie. This in turn lead to record-breaking numbers, which further fueled interest in markets that didn't really know much about Star Wars, mostly because they were too small of a market when the OT or PT were around. All this dropped down to normal levels once this immediate hype was over. Which for the newer markets meant interest went down a ton, because TFA wasn't exactly popular there.

 

Star Wars movies were not at the peak of international franchises. TPM was huge, but didn't even match Jurassic Park worldwide, which came out six years earlier. AOTC was very far away from the international intakes from franchises like LOTR or Harry Potter. And while ROTS fared better, it still had no chance against the big international franchises either. Yet TFA made over 1b worldwide without needing China for it. Something only Titanic and Avatar had managed at that time. Indeed, no movies came eben close to that mark, with the next best one being the last Harry Potter at a tiny bit below 900m without China. This should be a rather clear indication that this sort of performance is not the norm for the franchise. It is the outlier, and therefore useless as guideline for what the franchise "should" do.

 

So no, the franchise hasn't fallen off at the box office in general terms. It merely returned to where it had been in the past as well. TLJ went right towards the territory you could have expected from past Star Wars movies. In terms of admissions its core markets hover around or above the numbers ROTS had, with the occasional market that comes in a bit below (like Japan).

 

This whole thing is merely a repeat of the past. A gigantic movie followed by two big ones, before a new trilogy arrives many years later, which comes in the form of one gigantic movie followd by two big ones. And now, again years later, a new trilogy comes around, with one gigantic movie and (likely) two big ones. Trying to portray this as some sort of shocking downfall is simply absurd, as it ignores the entire box office history of the franchise.

 

The fact it's where it is now despite the growth of the global market pretty much proves the series isn't as big as it was anymore. Its inability to expand in Asia and Latin America is a clear problem.

 

As for this movie I expect it to be higher than TLJ but lower than TFA. Let's hope Star Wars can go back to its peak though.

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TFA's gross OS was an enormous anomaly. Anyone who's followed box office knows this to be true...the Star Wars movies were always really big overseas (with the exception of AoTC) but they never came close to the mammoth numbers that Potter, Rings, and Pirates did. TPM came closest.

 

Star Wars is a franchise, even with future instalments and different adaptations, just won't do very large business in most of Asia and Latin America.  

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(semi xpost with the Tracking thread)

 

The Rise of Skywalker Greater Sacramento Area Premiere Night Seat Report: T-39 days and counting

 

 

Sellouts

Showings

Seats left

Total Seats

Seats Sold

Perct Sold

TOTALS

2

204

12235

24000

11765

49.02%

 

Total Showings Added This Week

10

Total Seats Added This Week

751

Total Seats Sold This Week

534

 

T-39 Adjusted Comp (EXTREMELY LOL - DON'T USE FOR MUCH OF ANYTHING)

 

   %

 

Sold This Week

Total Sold

 

Sellouts/Shows

Seats Left/Total Seats

Perct Sold

 

Comp

CM

427.05

 

185

2632

 

0/81

7982/10614

24.80%

 

88.40m

TROS (adj)

n/a

 

507

11240

 

2/204

11498/22738

49.43%

 

n/a

ADJUSTMENT NOTE: TROS (adj) is the ticket data at the same theaters I had tracking info for Captain Marvel.

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Comps so far off of Final Totals of:

 

   %

 

Final Sold

 

TROS Sold

 

Comp

IW

66.30

 

15159

 

10051

 

25.86m

DP2

123.58

 

8133

 

10051

 

22.99m

Solo

173.62

 

5789

 

10051

 

24.48m

JW:FK

161.38

 

6228

 

10051

 

24.69m

AM&tW

218.26

 

4605

 

10051

 

25.10m

Venom

232.34

 

4493

 

10439

 

23.23m

CM

106.51

 

10553

 

11240

 

22.05m

EG

42.17

 

26655

 

11240

 

25.30m

TLK

102.40

 

10977

 

11240

 

23.55m

It 2

207.90

 

5659

 

11765

 

21.83m

AVG

 

 

 

 

 

 

23.91m

NOTE: FINAL SOLD is the amount of tickets sold at stop of tracking for the given movie and TROS SOLD is the amount of tickets sold so far at the same theaters I had tracking info for the movie in question.

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Very strong week locally, in large part due to some showings added in the prime viewing hours at a couple of the best theaters in town.

 

Comps with Infinity War, as lol as they will be at this stage due to TROS's head start, will start up again in next week's catch up report.

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Solo had no business existing in the first place. Rogue One (which I also think is a bad film but there's no denying it made a lot of money) gave the studio really false expectations of how much people wanted these kind of prequels. 

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3 hours ago, Hatebox said:

Solo had no business existing in the first place. Rogue One (which I also think is a bad film but there's no denying it made a lot of money) gave the studio really false expectations of how much people wanted these kind of prequels. 

This and what others said.

 

SW being the biggest franchise was a myth that didn't stand in the aughts where franchises with massive OS appeal (HP, LOTR, POTC) challenged and more often demolished PT WW while PT domestic take was on par with the rest (between 300M and low 400M original runs) so no significant advantage or advantage at all.

 

TFA was an anomaly created by the perfect storm of nostalgia and maxed out right away. The rest of the movies retreated to normal levels but normal levels, at least in TLJ case, look like a bigger drop than the usual second movie drop for the franchise since it came after the perfect storm that won't be replicated. 

 

RO coasted on TFA and that created illusion that market was hype for spin-offs, even though the movie dropped spectacularly OS including usually reliable SW market such as Japan. So that was the worrying sign but it was lost in the 1 billion hype thanks to still robust domestic take. 

 

Once TLJ retreated to normal levels (markets that decided TFA wasn't for them stirred clear of RO and TLJ), Solo was doomed for it couldn't count on coattailing a movie that already lost the predecessor's luster. 

 

In short, SW hasn't been the biggest franchise in the world since the aughts and TFA was an anomaly not the rule. All other movies behave like a normal SW movie and Solo simply put in sharp relief that spin-off prequels had no demand. 

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imo TFA is very mediocre nostalgia bait it didn't offer the new audiences Disney was trying to get into Star Wars anything new or exciting, and TLJ wasn't very good at all, it performed like a movie with mixed WOM in even the classic SW markets, its huge drops and unusually bad legs aren't explained by just it's Star Wars.  This "fate" of the franchise wasn't inevitable by any means, they just needed better movies and better planning of spin offs so they aren't all over the timeline.


I mean imagine you've only seen TFA , why in the hell would you go watch a spin-off movie about young Han Solo and Chewie with what he got in TFA. He wasn't an interesting character in that movie and his death was pathetic

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42 minutes ago, mikee11 said:

imo TFA is very mediocre nostalgia bait it didn't offer the new audiences Disney was trying to get into Star Wars anything new or exciting, and TLJ wasn't very good at all, it performed like a movie with mixed WOM in even the classic SW markets, its huge drops and unusually bad legs aren't explained by just it's Star Wars.  This "fate" of the franchise wasn't inevitable by any means, they just needed better movies and better planning of spin offs so they aren't all over the timeline.


I mean imagine you've only seen TFA , why in the hell would you go watch a spin-off movie about young Han Solo and Chewie with what he got in TFA. He wasn't an interesting character in that movie and his death was pathetic

yeah, the bolded shouldn't be a taboo. TLJ had a great retention on its OW (just 10% drop from TFA) but trouble begin after the movie was actually seen. So combo of expected drop plus not so strong WOM. It opened under TFA OS from the get go from what I remember indicating that interest after TFA wasn't as strong as domestic interest. Again, perfectly normal for SW.

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24 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

yeah, the bolded shouldn't be a taboo. TLJ had a great retention on its OW (just 10% drop from TFA) but trouble begin after the movie was actually seen. So combo of expected drop plus not so strong WOM. It opened under TFA OS from the get go from what I remember indicating that interest after TFA wasn't as strong as domestic interest. Again, perfectly normal for SW.

So the question is whether TLJ showed a normalized SW box office result after the outlier TFA OR if TLJ suffered under its own and the drop was due to dissatisfaction. And, as a result, what will happen to TROS remains to be seen. If the situation is the former, the movie should perform around TLJ's numbers. If it's the latter, then it will depend on the WOM for TROS but we shouldn't expect much increase.

 

So, for now, are the current presale numbers good? The comps are showing $25 million-ish atm for Thursday previews. It will have to almost double to meet TLJ.

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