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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker | 20 DEC 2019 | NO SPOILERS | Reviews Page 651 | Worst reviewed live action Star Wars movie Ever

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1 minute ago, mcclaine said:

And who would be to blame, according to you? the fans?

 

what fans have to do with any of this in particular with Spoiler Whopper? It's all on Disney/LFL/Bad Robot.

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On 1/2/2020 at 11:18 AM, John Marston said:

TROS is a mess but So is TLJ and it thinks it’s way more clever than it is. Both movies contributed to the failure of this this trilogy and that’s why there is now no doubt going to be some shakeups at Lucasfilm 

TFA is a mess as well. Mistake number one was not having a plan for all three films from the start. Watching TFA you can see there's no plan. It is typical JJ. He creates some mystery boxes, rehashes the familiar and hopes there's enough to hook people in. There wasn't. Viewing TLJ and TROS is like looking into and behind all those cool looking buildings at Disney World. On the surface they give the impression of an expansive and living environment, but when you see behind the curtain you realize it is fake - there's just a front and no actual building. That's the new trilogy. It looks like Star Wars, but it's just a bunch of nothing with a Star Wars veneer.

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5 hours ago, John Marston said:

article that claims launch of Disney Plus might have actually hurt Rise of Skywalker. Don't know if I agree , but it makes some interesting points

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/14/entertainment/star-wars-streaming-age/index.html

How would that explain a drop in the UK where disney plus hasn't been released? The lack of an interesting story hurt TROS

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On ‎1‎/‎2‎/‎2020 at 2:39 PM, Avatree said:

general good advice - ignore Reddit as an entity. full of toxicity and bullshit.

 

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."

THIS.THIS.THIS.

 

Except I would add sheer stupidity to the list.

 

You think reddit on Movies is bad, you don't want to go  near Politics on reddit.....

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On ‎1‎/‎2‎/‎2020 at 7:52 PM, JB33 said:

Have to think after the way The Mandalorian has been received that Lucasfilm at least tries to throw a ton of money at Jon Favreau to come on and be the guy who shepherds Star Wars. I wouldn't be opposed to it. All I know is they need someone with the love for and knowledge of Star Wars, but also with the imagination to pave new roads because clearly that's where the future of Star Wars lies if it wants to continue being a juggernaut franchise: the horizon. People are done with the old. The nostalgia pull is all used up.

Problem is that TLJ did try to go in a different direction, and a lot of fans hated it.

I think the days of it being a juggernaut franchise are over, that horse has left the barn.

I see it now like the 007 franchise:Still very popular, still very profitable, but not the dominant franchise it once was.

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43 minutes ago, dudalb said:

Problem is that TLJ did try to go in a different direction, and a lot of fans hated it.

I think the days of it being a juggernaut franchise are over, that horse has left the barn.

I see it now like the 007 franchise:Still very popular, still very profitable, but not the dominant franchise it once was.

TLJ didn't go in a new direction. What it did that was "different" is that it stopped going in any direction at all. 

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2 minutes ago, jedijake said:

TLJ didn't go in a new direction. What it did that was "different" is that it stopped going in any direction at all. 

Lmao you couldn’t be any more wrong.  TFA didn’t go in any direction except copy and paste OT.  TLJ tried to take the ST in a new direction, but JJ couldn’t quit trying to replicate the OT

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1 minute ago, Knights of Ren said:

Lmao you couldn’t be any more wrong.  TFA didn’t go in any direction except copy and paste OT.  TLJ tried to take the ST in a new direction, but JJ couldn’t quit trying to replicate the OT

I don't think TLJ was well executed, but, yes, I give Johnson  credit for at least trying to give more depth to the charecters.

And this is a problem: The fans seem to like simple charecters and everything black and white;and most writers and directors chafe at this.

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1 minute ago, dudalb said:

I don't think TLJ was well executed, but, yes, I give Johnson  credit for at least trying to give more depth to the charecters.

And this is a problem: The fans seem to like simple charecters and everything black and white;and most writers and directors chafe at this.

The fact that TESB is widely considered to be the best Star Wars movie of all time kind of contradicts the argument that fans want everything to be black and white. Hell, RotS is widely considered to be the best of the prequels, and regardless of what one thinks of the execution, the film did play around with the idea that the Jedi are deeply flawed. 

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4 minutes ago, jedijake said:

TLJ didn't go in a new direction. What it did that was "different" is that it stopped going in any direction at all. 

That's not the case at all. The plot was clearly structured andthe characters followed a clear line of development as well.

 

48 minutes ago, dudalb said:

Problem is that TLJ did try to go in a different direction, and a lot of fans hated it.

I think the days of it being a juggernaut franchise are over, that horse has left the barn.

I see it now like the 007 franchise:Still very popular, still very profitable, but not the dominant franchise it once was.

That kind of stuff gets posted after every new Star Wars movie, and I really don't know why. The franchise isn't any different than it has been in the past. It hasn't been a dominant franchise internationally for decades now, and even domestically it only dominated occasionally, with the rest of the movie being "merely" among the best.

 

The only real change has been the rise of the asian markets, and Star Wars lack of success there. Which means more movies can perfom at a similar or better level worldwide than in the past. But even without those Star Wars was only ever among the best, not the clear cut number one whenever something new came out (e.g. TPM couldn't beat Jurassic Park worldwide, or come remotely close to Titanic, and neither AOTC nor ROTS were number one worldwide in their years of release, much less anywhere near as strong as LOTR or Harry Potter internationally).

 

So, all in all, Star Wars is right where it has been for a very long time: among the best, not the dominant franchise in the world.

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2 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:

The fact that TESB is widely considered to be the best Star Wars movie of all time kind of contradicts the argument that fans want everything to be black and white. Hell, RotS is widely considered to be the best of the prequels, and regardless of what one thinks of the execution, the film did play around with the idea that the Jedi are deeply flawed. 

And ROgue One came to the edge of showing that the Rebellion had blood on it's hands and could be pretty ruthless also....but it backed away from that idea.

As for the Jedi being flawed, just in military terms they are a miserable failure in accomplishing their mission.

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TLJ opened the door wide open for new direction. Not radically different but different nonetheless. Different from ROTJ 2.0 that we ended up with.

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TLJ doesnt have a Unique plot but it does have unique Ideas and themes aswell as narrative framepoints.

for those confused narrative and plot are not the same thing.

Plot is literally what you see from A>B and narrative is how it's framed and told.

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you'll see, one day, we will find out that TLJ was setting up movies beyond IX. It's just that LFL panicked after Solo bomb and TLJ backlash and decided to wrap it up. hence why TROS felt like 2-3 movies worth crammed in one.

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1 minute ago, Valonqar said:

you'll see, one day, we will find out that TLJ was setting up movies beyond IX. It's just that LFL panicked after Solo bomb and TLJ backlash and decided to wrap it up. hence why TROS felt like 2-3 movies worth crammed in one.

The leaked CT script today says otherwise. It’s from 2016 and was definitely a final movie of a trilogy. 

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11 hours ago, Valonqar said:

you'll see, one day, we will find out that TLJ was setting up movies beyond IX. It's just that LFL panicked after Solo bomb and TLJ backlash and decided to wrap it up. hence why TROS felt like 2-3 movies worth crammed in one.

2-3 movies crammed in one? Do not really think so... it felt crammed but more because of the different set pieces that apparently had to be checked and not because there was that much plot to tell.

 

The now leaked ideas for "Duel of the Fates" make much more sense than what we ended up with. Whether the execution would have been better might be doubtful. But the ground ideas make so much more sense.

 

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A big problem with TLJ is it forgot to be a Star Wars movie. You dont build up for a dual between Ren and Luke, get everyone on the edge of their seat in excitement only to be fooled. Its a Star Wars movie, people want the goods. They should have also done more with that hacker guy as he just became pointless, that twist literally made 30 mins of that movie a waste of time just for the purpose of having a twist 

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