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5 hours ago, PPZVGOS said:

All states do propaganda, both internally and externally, the Chinese did not invent it. When Trump says that CNN et al is fakes news, he is right. What he wants on the other hand, is that CNN et al does the fake news that suit him. Same goes for any other politician, it's just how the world works unfortunately. 

 

Comparing China to (by comparison) statelets such as Japan or South Korea is disingenuous. China has more than 10 times the population of Japan and almost 30 times the population of South Korea which makes it all the more easier (for the latter) to develop by gaining market share in world trade. Even more importantly, Japan & South Korea have the backing of US/Europe in terms of global trade arrangements, precisely because they are geopolitically useful in containing (ie inhibiting) China. The only comparable country to China in terms of population is India, how does that country compare? The point I was making about the Chinese BO is that China has achieved (in the past 4 decades or so) the most impressive feat of economic development in all of human history, this is an absolute statement of fact. In recent decades the Chinese government has presided over the most astonishing reduction of poverty the world has ever seen. I again emphasize, these are irrefutable facts. 

Propaganda differs. You really think propaganda in the Soviet Union and the US (assuming propaganda is a thing in the US), or propaganda in East Germany and West Germany, is the same? Also, you might be mixing propaganda up with free press.

 

'Fake' news sometimes is a good thing. At the least,  it shows the freedom of press, and that the people are fully supervising the government. In China, everything the governments do not want to be reported is "fake" news, and will be banned/blocked. And those who report or spread such "fake" news will be jailed. And you think "fake" news in China and the US is the same thing? Do you get jailed for mocking your Prime Minister on Whatsapp, or waving a board on the street?

 

In China, media regulation is not just regulation, it is BAN. Media ban, party ban, everything ban ...

 

Answer this question: are the top movies in other countries are full of propaganda movies like in China? Is it common?

 

The rest of your post is also quite misleading.

 

The size of population is not essentially related to economy growth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

In terms of population, developed countries range from the US to Luxembourg, developing countries range from China to Central African Republic. In your logic, the small countries in the world should all be rich....?

 

After WW2, China, SK/NK, and Japan were basically standing on the same starting line. And the three countries have similar tradition/ culture origin. Now, look at the difference. Mind you, SK and Japan, Singapore, each achived even greater jumps in terms of GDP per capita in a shorter period of time than China. In terms of Chinese history, many dynasties achieved similar, relatively, so-called 'prosperous status' in 40 to 70 years, Tang, Song, Han... CCP China took 70 years, counting from 1949. You statement "China has achieved (in the past 4 decades or so) the most impressive feat of economic development in all of human history" is extreme hyperbole. And you are forgeting that CCP caused the deaths of millions of Chinese people in the Great Cultural Revolution, the 1959-1961 Great Famine, the one-child policy, among many other great tragedies.

 

Yes, Japan & South Korea had the backing of US/Europe in terms of global trade arrangements, but so did post-Mao China. No country can develop without global trade. In fact, China have been backed by investments from all over the US, the Europe, Japn, SK, Taiwan and HK since Deng Xiaopeng's reform and open up.

 

Also, China's economy achivement is at the price of mass pollution, sky-high debts, copycating (aka intellectual property theft), the lack of labor rights, etc. More importantly, China's encomy model is unsustainable; it will stagnate once there is nothing to copycat and the production cost is too high, which is already happening. The communist system was born to suppress creativity and innovation.

 

Comparing China to India is unfair to India. India is not a typical country. It literally consists of many different 'nations', in some way like a smaller sized Africa. Different parts of India even speak different languages. Not to forget the starting basis of India was much worse than that of China.

 

Lastly, you are ignoring the great material progress in most parts of the global in the past few decades. A result of mordern global trade and tech improvements. China just benifited a little more than some other countries. Even many African countries are looking to get properous.

 

To sum it up, after 1949, in the first thirty years, CCP brought countless tragedies to China, and the people suffered; in the last forty years, CCP just slightly loosened its control on the people, and the people earned their share of wealth by hard working, at helfty prices, in global trade. This is what happened yet you are creditting it to CCP.

 

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KP1025 Box Office Gold

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37 minutes ago, efialtes76 said:

Bad. 

Release it against 3 big local movies was a stupid choice. 

 

I guess they wanted to get the benefit of the holidays and hoped it would act as counter programming to the local films. It's a shame since Abominable seems to have excellent WOM (still has a fantastic 9.4 on Maoyan).

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A Marvel Fanboy Global Phenomenon

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15 hours ago, KP1025 said:

I guess they wanted to get the benefit of the holidays and hoped it would act as counter programming to the local films. It's a shame since Abominable seems to have excellent WOM (still has a fantastic 9.4 on Maoyan).

scores of animations tend to be overestimated. Actual WOM for Abominable is just about average all things considered.

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HeadShot Sleeper Hit

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On 10/1/2019 at 10:50 AM, firedeep said:

The evilness of centralization. China has been doing literary inquisition nonstoply for 2000+ years.

deleting negative movie reviews is far from worth mentioning compared to any of the absurd things this sick country has been doing.

damn.. can't the people rebel or sth? There's 2 billion of them.

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On 10/4/2019 at 3:05 PM, PPZVGOS said:

Typical western racism of the early 21st century. "Everyone is stupid and brainwashed by their governments, except us."

 

@Somoset China's economy is currently growing at over 6%, way faster than US/EU/JPN. The CCP has delivered economic growth previously unimaginable in both scale and rapidity. These are undeniable facts. 

 

This being a forum dedicated to the global BO, you should give more respect to China and their government. I remember when buying Screen International in the late 90s (the only publication which at the time gave numbers for the BO, beyond the US/UK) There were two pages devoted to the North American BO, and another two pages devoted to the rest of the world, which included all secondary markets (Japan, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Scandinavia) Back then, Chinese BO numbers did not exist, because no Chinese BO really existed. Now, a short 2 decades later the Chinese BO is directly comparable to that of North America. Let that sink in. 

Most people here, myself included, have the utmost respect for China. This forum frequently promotes the impressive achievements and contributions the country has made to the global film industry. 

 

However, China is not synonyms with the CCP. Throughout history, a government that allows criticism has a more harmonious relationship with its citizens. Self-criticism is a sign of humility and displays confidence, which could actually reinforce people's opinion of the government. 

 

Indirectly, this could lead to an environment where filmmakers have more freedom of expression and open the door for stories from the Chinese film industry, which resonate with a global audience.  

 

Separately, Xu Lizhi is a hero of mine; he would have turned 29 last Monday. You shouldn't assume I'm western, simply because we disagree. 

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