charlie Jatinder Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Opinion Should we for the purpose of this thread start using without service charge gross? We will be seeing Dom vs China in future. Its unfair that one market is inflating ~+5% of gross by including service charge. This discussion should have happened in 2016 but nevermind. Imagine, DC 3 can only gross $950M as per "official" reporting which will put it above TFA, but the actual gross will be a bit short. Or for that matter if it just manages to go above $1B. Will be bit unfair, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menor the Destroyer Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, jatvision said: Opinion Should we for the purpose of this thread start using without service charge gross? We will be seeing Dom vs China in future. Its unfair that one market is inflating ~+5% of gross by including service charge. This discussion should have happened in 2016 but nevermind. Imagine, DC 3 can only gross $950M as per "official" reporting which will put it above TFA, but the actual gross will be a bit short. Or for that matter if it just manages to go above $1B. Will be bit unfair, no? But wouldn't it also be unfair that USA has higher ATP? Edited February 10, 2021 by Menor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, Menor said: But wouldn't it also be unfair that USA has higher ATP? We can go in circles with doesn't China has more people, more theaters, etc. In fact the biggest being "Canada". Should it be just US and not Canada. I won't be surprised if Canada was the reason China started adding that 5% to official gross as in 2016 it felt like matter of year or two to beat US but then ER got bad. The point here being compare the two absolutes. Pure Gross with Pure Gross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, jatvision said: Its unfair that one market is inflating ~+5% of gross by including service charge. This discussion should have happened in 2016 but nevermind. Is fandango and other service charge in other market not included in the BO ? And why do people pay those...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Again Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) I think it’s easiest just to use US+Canada domestic territory and service fees included in China for the most part. That’s the industry standard and how things will be reported and known by casuals. Besides, we call it single territory record more often than single country record. However, when a record gets broken “officially” but falls short when deducting those things, I do like to see both figures. Edited February 10, 2021 by WandaLegion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Again Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Barnack said: Is fandango and other service charge in other market not included in the BO Nope. 2 minutes ago, Barnack said: And why do people pay those. So they don’t have to bother buying the tickets in person. Sometimes pure laziness or habit, sometimes to reduce chance of getting turned away from a sellout — or get a better choice of seats with reserved seating. Edited February 10, 2021 by WandaLegion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Barnack said: Is fandango and other service charge in other market not included in the BO ? And why do people pay those...... No. China is the only one. Well people pay to get the seat reserved. Funny enough, it used to be a black (illegal) business in India. A group of people would buy all tickets for any film and then sell those tickets to normal public on release day at higher price. Corporates made that thing legal business by organising it 😀 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just for reference, Endgame gross without service charge is ¥4.02Bn or $598M while ¥4.25Bn or $632M including service charge. Disney got 23% (or some say 25%) of ¥4.02B, not ¥4.25B. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, WandaLegion said: So they don’t have to bother buying the tickets in person. Sometimes pure laziness or habit, sometimes to reduce chance of getting turned away from a sellout — or get a better choice of seats with reserved seating. I guess it is mostly for recent blockbuster, which is I guess a large proportion of ticket sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grim22 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 33 minutes ago, jatvision said: No. China is the only one. Well people pay to get the seat reserved. Funny enough, it used to be a black (illegal) business in India. A group of people would buy all tickets for any film and then sell those tickets to normal public on release day at higher price. Corporates made that thing legal business by organising it 😀 Aamir Khan in Rangeela is still a great character. Dus ka tees. I've only seen one movie by buying tickets in black, Kuch Kuch Hota Hai on opening day. Paid 15 rupees for a 10 rupee ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 5 hours ago, grim22 said: I've only seen one movie by buying tickets in black, Kuch Kuch Hota Hai on opening day. Paid 15 rupees for a 10 rupee ticket I have paid recently in 2016, ₹100 for ₹60 ticket. But that was more like bribing theater security guard. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 $457M weekend or bust. can allow $407M though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 I am so not ready for something like 850-900M OD. Will be way more disappointing than missing 700M would have been a week ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 @Gavin Feng which regions have 50% restrictions? Checking few cities Beijing - 44% on 4k shows ¥22M Gross Shanghai - 54% on 6k shows ¥33M Gross Shenzhen - 39% on 5k shows ¥16M Gross Guangzhou - 30.5% on 5k shows ¥15M Gross Chongking - 29% on 5k shows ¥10M Gross Guess there's still a lot of capacity free outside the two biggest cities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Choose your adventure $357M or $407M or $457M or $507M In addition you can go for something like $407M without service charge gross. 1 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menor the Destroyer Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 557. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 So Avengers: Endgame will remain the last Hollywood film to have opening weekend record in single territory unless some Hollywood film go wild in China. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Again Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 330 in 5 days+midnights looks kind of pathetic now. This also increases my interest in Shang-Chi getting a CNY date at some point. #1 probably needs to come out in summer, but if well-received maybe try to work it out for Shang-Chi 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, WandaLegion said: 330 in 5 days+midnights looks kind of pathetic now. 330M in 5 days wasn't all that bad but dailies sure were very ehhish. But that's more to do with workdays release. Not even Sunday was holiday. 9 Days total was higher than The Wandering Earth. So atleast that was something. Way I look at it, the 3 biggest single days were $265M or 1783M in span of 8 days. A proper non-holiday FSS would have probably meant 2000M or $300M weekend. Edited February 11, 2021 by jatvision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Again Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Menor said: 557. Fun fact, somebody asked me on reddit to get absolutely crazy with it and by pure coincidence I ended up here. Didn’t convert to USD until very end. Quote Also depends a bit on how the other CNY releases are doing I guess. If we get really unhinged and let our imagination run free, it could maybe increase to 180k sessions, and occupancy of just under 80%, would be an OD around ¥1.2B. If by crazy good reception we mean like 9.8, then maybe Sat could hold to another ¥1B day with spillover and a mild increase on screenshare. Then comes Valentine’s Day, where it might be able to go above 50% on screenshare for some 240k sessions, or a max capacity of around ¥2B. With 70% occupancy that take the Sunday to ¥1.4B, for a ¥3.6B=$557M OW. For my 440, that’s thinking about 1050 OD, 850 Sat, and 950 Sun. Just to emphasize, top paragraph is not actually anywhere close to being on the table. Purely for people who like to fantasize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
