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1 hour ago, POTUS 2020 said:

now we're going to far again, people will be disappointed with 425m now, when for days they doubted my 400m projection.

200-250% over monday has been my range all along

375-435m.  I was leaning low, I now lean to the high side with the PS on fire.  171.9m still running at 10M ph.

190m+ incoming, just beating Fri PS.  Probably a 2.3PSm again like Friday

If it does 425 that's awesome. If it splits the difference amazing. If it hits 480 sweet Christmas!

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12 minutes ago, Stewart said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Avatar also did something here similar to South Korea, where it attracted those in lower tier cities that do not watch Hollywood usually, making it act more like a local movie than a hollywood movie.

 

If Avatar 2 can recapture that Audience, it has a decent chance at WW2 simply because of this imo.

Yes. I brought this up in the EG OW thread. Asian countries, particularly East Asia, have the collectivist culture (similar to herd mentality). Whenever that one gets combined with consumerism, everyone's gonna scramble for a particular product, be it food, movie, clothing, etc. And since I live in that culture as well, I have been swept away by hype several times 😂 Avatar 2 has that potential. Like "everyone has to see it" potential. 

 

(Sidenote: one of the funniest example of this was the Honey Butter Chips craze a few years ago in South Korea.)

 

I know this is a BO forum and movies are also tied with consumerism/consumption and there can be cases studied as to why some movies overperform or underperform in different territories aside from just usual causes like culture or nostalgia.

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Is The Wandering Earth a good movie? It is on Netflix (at least in my country) now and I was wonder if is worth to see? ;)

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3B in just 8 days. Simply crazy!!

 

Predicts for the week:

 

Wed: 450

Thu: 275

Fri: 200

Sat: 150

Sun: 60

 

4B should happen by next Sunday!

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7 minutes ago, Fake said:

3B in just 8 days. Simply crazy!!

 

Predicts for the week:

 

Wed: 450

Thu: 275

Fri: 200

Sat: 150

Sun: 60

 

4B should happen by next Sunday!

If there wasn't Det Pika then EG could have gone past $600m  easily Right?

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1 hour ago, shruth said:

Now that we have seen endgame doing monster numbers in china do yall think avatar will match it and do $600m there? It could possibly surpass it by a ton or fall very short too. I think it will fall around the same level. The first one beat the previous dom record by over 3x!

Doing around Endgame would a very pessimistic scenario. Fall very short, that's not really possible.

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13 minutes ago, Pypa94 said:

Is The Wandering Earth a good movie? It is on Netflix (at least in my country) now and I was wonder if is worth to see? ;)

In my opinion, it is pretty bad, but it's one of those things that I think you should check out anyway.

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1 hour ago, Fake said:

3B in just 8 days. Simply crazy!!

 

Predicts for the week:

 

Wed: 450

Thu: 275

Fri: 200

Sat: 150

Sun: 60

 

4B should happen by next Sunday!

Hmm? Based off these numbers it hits 4bil, mid-day Sat

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12 minutes ago, Ledmonkey96 said:

Hmm? Based off these numbers it hits 4bil, mid-day Sat

Sat in 10 days

PS finishing at 186m for wed, Same as last Fri

    EG       XR 6.73 IW       XR 6.35
  Day Yn DoD WoW Tot $Tot Yn DoD WoW Tot $Tot
  Wed 535     725 108          
  Thur 316 -40.9%   1041 155          
  Fri 424 34.2%   1465 218 387     447 70
  Sat 551 30.0%   2016 300 493 27.5%   940 148
Workday Sun 208 -62.3%   2224 330 332 -32.8%   1272 200
  Mon 124 -40.4%   2348 349 109 -67.1%   1381 217
Pre Holi Bump Tues 255 105.6%   2603 387 81 -25.7%   1462 230
Holiday Wed 425 66.7%   3028 450 65 -20.0%   1526 240
Holiday Thur 295 -30.6%   3323 494 53 -19.0%   1579 249
                       
Holiday Fri 250 -15.3% -41.0% 3573 531 72 36.4% -81.5% 1650 260
Holiday Sat 168 -32.8% -69.5% 3741 556 142 98.2% -71.2% 1792 282
Workday Sun 70 -58.3% -66.3% 3811 566 132 -7.0% -60.2% 1924 303
  Mon 41 -41.4% -66.9% 3852 572 31.6 -76.1% -71.0% 1956 308
  Tue 35 -14.6% -86.3% 3887 578 25.2 -20.3% -68.9% 1981 312
  Wed 30 -14.3% -92.9% 3917 582 21.1 -16.3% -67.4% 2002 315
  Thu 26 -13.3% -91.2% 3943 586 18.6 -11.8% -64.6% 2021 318
                       
  Fri 26 0.0% -89.6% 3969 590 23.1 24.2% -67.7% 2044 322
  Sat 52 100.0% -69.0% 4021 597 50.8 119.9% -64.2% 2095 330
  Sun 39 -25.0% -44.3% 4060 603 39.9 -21.5% -69.8% 2135 336
  Mon 13 -66.7% -68.3% 4073 605 12.0 -69.9% -62.0% 2147 338
  Tue 11 -15.4% -68.6% 4084 607 11.1 -7.5% -56.0% 2158 340
  Wed 10 -13.6% -68.3% 4094 608 10.5 -5.9% -50.5% 2168 341
  Thu 8 -15.8% -69.2% 4102 609 12.1 15.8% -34.9% 2180 343
                       
              35.2 190.9% 52.4% 2215 349
              31.6 -10.2% -37.8% 2247 354
              23.2 -26.6% -41.9% 2270 358
              7.8 -66.4% -35.0% 2278 359
              8.5 9.0% -23.4% 2287 360
              8.9 4.1% -15.3% 2295 361
              7.8 -11.9% -35.5% 2303 363
                       
              8.5 9.5% -75.7% 2312 364
              18.4 115.5% -41.8% 2330 367
              15.5 -15.8% -33.2% 2346 369
          4225 628       2390 376
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13 minutes ago, Ledmonkey96 said:

Hmm? Based off these numbers it hits 4bil, mid-day Sat

2.6 end of Tues. 

3.05

3.325

3.525

3.675

3.735  End of Sun    

 

Following Fake’s numbers.

 

edit: I see POTUS already covered it.

 

 

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Final Pre-Sales for wed; 185.3m

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2 hours ago, NCsoft said:

Doing around Endgame would a very pessimistic scenario. Fall very short, that's not really possible.

You Avatar fanboys are way too arrogant. Yes Avatar 2 may do more than 600M but calling it pessimistic is too much.. You know because of this fucking throwing around the numbers that it will do 1B in China and 5Billies and whatnot nonsense everyone is tired... But when someone is banned you cry hypocrisy

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57 minutes ago, Nero said:

You Avatar fanboys are way too arrogant. Yes Avatar 2 may do more than 600M but calling it pessimistic is too much.. You know because of this fucking throwing around the numbers that it will do 1B in China and 5Billies and whatnot nonsense everyone is tired... But when someone is banned you cry hypocrisy

This is ridiculous. First of all, I have never thrown around 5B worldwide predictions, that's more IronJimbo's habit, but he probably mostly do it jokingly as well, that's just his personality, and I was one of the first Jim fanboys to say that based on opening Friday and Saturday performances, Endgame surpassing Avatar is legitimately possible, so maybe begin with treating us as different people, which we are, and stop looking at us like some caricatures?

 

Second, being Chinese myself, and I spend considerable amount of time on the Chinese internet, in fact, back in 2009 I specifically followed Avatar's insane box office run mostly in Chinese online communities and witnessed all the craziness. I think I have a pretty good gauge at online interest in China to make statements like that! I say that $600 M for Avatar 2 is pessimistic in China not based on some delusion, but just personal observation:

1. Huge online interest + unprecedented Maoyan like count for a film without a name and more than 1.5 years from release.

2. The first film was released in early 2010, tripled the previous highest grosser, and made 200 M in a market 5-6 times smaller than it is now. Partly responsible for China's post 2010 market expansion.

3. Cameron's last 3 films all became China's highest grossing film of all time , first with True Lies, then with Titanic (more than double the historical highest grosser), and Avatar (tripled the highest grosser of all time)

 

Based on these, do you think saying Avatar making $600 M is pessimistic is a "out there" statement? Or do I not have a right to make a statement based on my own judgement without being seen as a cult member? I didn't even say that it's impossible to make $600M, I simply said it's pessimistic.

 

By the way, saying Avatar could make 1B in China is not delusional. Avatar 2 does not need to triple the previous all time record or more than double it, like Titanic or Avatar did. It just need to more or less get on the same level. If Wolf Warrior 2 can do $850M+ back in 2017, with China's level of market expansion, and now ticket price rising fast, and with Avatar's ratio of 3D/IMAX showings, it is quite possible that it can come under WW2's attendance record (less ticket sold), yet still make almost $1B in 2021 just based on ticket inflation and premium showing ratio, didn't The Wandering earth do a similar thing just earlier this year (box office inflated by higher ticket prices and premium showings), and then Endgame again? and 2021, that's 3.5 more years of market expansion, so more potential moviegoers to begin with, a bigger market.

 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, NCsoft said:

This is ridiculous. First of all, I have never thrown around 5B worldwide predictions, that's more IronJimbo's habit, but he probably mostly do it jokingly as well, that's just his personality, and I was one of the first Jim fanboys to say that based on opening Friday and Saturday performances, Endgame surpassing Avatar is legitimately possible, so maybe begin with treating us as different people, which we are, and stop looking at us like some caricatures?

 

Second, being Chinese myself, and I spend considerable amount of time on the Chinese internet, in fact, back in 2009 I specifically followed Avatar's insane box office run mostly in Chinese online communities and witnessed all the craziness. I think I have a pretty good gauge at online interest in China to make statements like that! I say that $600 M for Avatar 2 is pessimistic in China not based on some delusion, but just personal observation:

1. Huge online interest + unprecedented Maoyan like count for a film without a name and more than 1.5 years from release.

2. The first film was released in early 2010, tripled the previous highest grosser, and made 200 M in a market 5-6 times smaller than it is now. Partly responsible for China's post 2010 market expansion.

3. Cameron's last 3 films all became China's highest grossing film of all time , first with True Lies, then with Titanic (more than double the historical highest grosser), and Avatar (tripled the highest grosser of all time)

 

Based on these, do you think saying Avatar making $600 M is pessimistic is a "out there" statement? Or do I not have a right to make a statement based on my own judgement without being seen as a cult member? I didn't even say that it's impossible to make $600M, I simply said it's pessimistic.

 

By the way, saying Avatar could make 1B in China is not delusional. Avatar 2 does not need to triple the previous all time record or more than double it, like Titanic or Avatar did. It just need to more or less by on the same level. If Wolf Warrior 2 can do $850M+ back in 2017, with China's level of market expansion, and now ticket price rising fast, and with Avatar's ratio of 3D/IMAX showings, it is quite possible that it can come under WW2's attendance record (less ticket sold), yet still make almost $1B in 2021 just based on ticket inflation and premium showing ratio, didn't The Wandering earth do a similar thing just earlier this year (box office inflated by higher ticket prices and premium showings), and then Endgame again? and 2021, that's 3.5 more years of market expansion, so more potential moviegoers to begin with, a bigger market.

 

 

 

 

No offense , but you should treat both sides fairly. You said in Avengers Monday thread to not bring down Avatar performance and mentioning bad thing about it. Yet you're nowhere to be seen when those Jim gang infected the thread with all those Avatar and Avatar 2 nonsenses. They also tried to stir away conversation from EG to those nonsenses. Where are you , brother??? Just reading and enjoying , I guess. 

 

Here's the bottom line :

One person or maybe more insult Avatar --> you warned him

Cameron fanboys messing the thread about Avatar nonsenses --> silent 

No wonder some people don't like your behavior cause you exactly sound like a Cameron fanboy playing victim.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Claudio said:

 No offense , but you should treat both sides fairly. You said in Avengers Monday thread to not bring down Avatar performance and mentioning bad thing about it. Yet you're nowhere to be seen when those Jim gang infected the thread with all those Avatar and Avatar 2 nonsenses. They also tried to stir away conversation from EG to those nonsenses. Where are you , brother??? Just reading and enjoying , I guess. 

  

 Here's the bottom line :

 One person or maybe more insult Avatar --> you warned him

Cameron fanboys messing the thread about Avatar nonsenses --> silent 

 No wonder some people don't like your behavior cause you exactly sound like a Cameron fanboy playing victim.

  

 

Your point noted, however, I'm a part of the Cameron stan, and you're asking me to stay 100% neutral, while MCU fans are not subjected to the same standard? I'm all for discussions comparison box office performances, in fact, I'm sure you don't need me to write an essay again about market expansion, global inflation and how 2.78B in 2009 is different from 2.78B in 2019, so if I downplay endgame's performance, as long as I'm being logical and have things to back me up, I don't see a problem with a healthy discussion. People have been downplaying Avatar's performance for years.

 

What I have never done, is calling MCU "a total fad and is now found dead in a ditch" or "James Cameron found dead" or "the evil has been defeated", so when he does that to Avatar, I called him out. It's simple, in these forums, Avatar is low class citizen, if Jim gang don't call out bad behavior, no one does it for us.

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40 minutes ago, NCsoft said:

Your point noted, however, I'm a part of the Cameron stan, and you're asking me to stay 100% neutral, while MCU fans are not subjected to the same standard? I'm all for discussions comparison box office performances, in fact, I'm sure you don't need me to write an essay again about market expansion, global inflation and how 2.78B in 2009 is different from 2.78B in 2019, so if I downplay endgame's performance, as long as I'm being logical and have things to back me up, I don't see a problem with a healthy discussion. People have been downplaying Avatar's performance for years.

 

What I have never done, is calling MCU "a total fad and is now found dead in a ditch" or "James Cameron found dead" or "the evil has been defeated", so when he does that to Avatar, I called him out. It's simple, in these forums, Avatar is low class citizen, if Jim gang don't call out bad behavior, no one does it for us.

It's okay to be a Cameron fan. What's not okay is to be an annoying Cameron fan that messing and spamming another thread with nonsenses. The reason why I said that ( my previous post that you replied ) for you is to told you about how can people judge you as an annoying Cameron fanboy cause you clearly didn't know from where that judgement came.

 

Another thing , I'm not asking you to be neutral. I'm just asking you to called out the other Cameron member who tried to derail the Avengers thread and fill it with  nonsense too ( not just one sided ).  In that way , you can be viewed as different than those annoying fanboy and you won't be called as an arrogant.

 

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59 minutes ago, NCsoft said:

Your point noted, however, I'm a part of the Cameron stan, and you're asking me to stay 100% neutral, while MCU fans are not subjected to the same standard? I'm all for discussions comparison box office performances, in fact, I'm sure you don't need me to write an essay again about market expansion, global inflation and how 2.78B in 2009 is different from 2.78B in 2019, so if I downplay endgame's performance, as long as I'm being logical and have things to back me up, I don't see a problem with a healthy discussion. People have been downplaying Avatar's performance for years.

 

What I have never done, is calling MCU "a total fad and is now found dead in a ditch" or "James Cameron found dead" or "the evil has been defeated", so when he does that to Avatar, I called him out. It's simple, in these forums, Avatar is low class citizen, if Jim gang don't call out bad behavior, no one does it for us.

What's your opinion on jimbo calling marvel fans brain dead?

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10 minutes ago, Premium George said:

What's your opinion on jimbo calling marvel fans brain dead?

Something about Stones and glass houses I'd imagine.

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12 minutes ago, Premium George said:

What's your opinion on jimbo calling marvel fans brain dead?

Or calling people who rewatch Endgame children and manbabies 

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