Dementeleus Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 You guys should all kowtow to my Awards knowledge. And no, I don't watch old ceremonies. I watch entire ceremonies only twice. Once on oscar night, and once the night before the following oscars. And, I never rewatch Oscar clips except for Meryl clips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RichWS Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Movies win Picture for a number of reasons. Quality is only part of it. There's campaigning and politics to boot. Argo simply clicked on those fronts this year. In the end, you obviously don't feel it was worthy of the win. I thought it was one of the best films of last year. Bottom line is we fundamentally disagree on the film itself so we could go back and forth all night about it without accomplishing anything. IT'S ALL SUBJECTIVE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jack Nevada Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 See? She's gorgeous and she can whoop your ass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichWS Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 The joke is that no one would ever say something like that about a sweet nine-year-old kid. I'm guessing they were trying making fun of our great ability to pit actresses against each other, but it fell flat. Obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementeleus Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) ? Just teasing you a bit; most people don't even watch a full show once, let alone a year later. Edited February 25, 2013 by Telemachos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MovieMan89 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Movies win Picture for a number of reasons. Quality is only part of it. There's campaigning and politics to boot. Argo simply clicked on those fronts this year. In the end, you obviously don't feel it was worthy of the win. I thought it was one of the best films of last year. Bottom line is we fundamentally disagree on the film itself so we could go back and forth all night about it without accomplishing anything. IT'S ALL SUBJECTIVE. Except you're missing my whole point. I'm not saying Argo was undeserving because it wasn't my personal favorite, I'm saying it was undeserving because it won nothing else but editing and screenplay. That makes no sense considering all the other elements of a movie. Of which directing and acting are arguably the most important, and Argo didn't even have nominations in most of those categories! True Pi didn't have acting recognition either, but they gave it almost all the other big awards, so how could they not give it BP if they're gonna give it so much else? Directing+visuals+how it was shot+music should be more than enough to equal BP. If they had given it adapted screenplay then it REALLY would have made no sense not to win BP. It just shows that Argo's BP win was merely political for the Affleck snub, and otherwise there's no chance it would have won. That's why the Academy's decision was so flawed last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dementeleus Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) Except you're missing my whole point. I'm not saying Argo was undeserving because it wasn't my personal favorite, I'm saying it was undeserving because it won nothing else but editing and screenplay. That makes no sense considering all the other elements of a movie. Of which directing and acting are arguably the most important, and Argo didn't even have nominations in most of those categories! True Pi didn't have acting recognition either, but they gave it almost all the other big awards, so how could they not give it BP if they're gonna give it so much else? Directing+visuals+how it was shot+music should be more than enough to equal BP. If they had given it adapted screenplay then it REALLY would have made no sense not to win BP. It just shows that Argo's BP win was merely political for the Affleck snub, and otherwise there's no chance it would have won. That's why the Academy's decision was so flawed last night. The Oscars don't work that way. En toto, they are not voted on in a rational or logical manner, otherwise you might as well give all the awards to the Best Picture winner. Edited February 25, 2013 by Telemachos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) The Oscars don't work that way. Otherwise, you might as well give all the awards to the Best Picture winner. Well usually they do give most of the big awards to the BP winner, so I'm not sure what you mean by the "oscars don't work that way." I mean does anyone know how many times a movie has won BP without an acting, directing, sound, AND visual award (cinematography, art direction, effects, makeup, etc)? I bet it's not very many. Edited February 25, 2013 by IronMan89 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichWS Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Well usually they do give most of the big awards to the BP winner, so I'm not sure what you mean by the "oscars don't work that way." I mean does anyone know how many times a movie has won BP without an acting, directing, sound, AND visual award (cinematography, art direction, effects, makeup, etc)? I bet it's not very many. This was an odd year. It's not written in stone that a movie needs those to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 This was an odd year. It's not written in stone that a movie needs those to win. Well obviously nothing is written in stone at the Oscars, I'm just saying the Argo BP win doesn't make a lick of sense, except as a political move to make up for the Affleck snub backlash. And to me that's not the way the Academy should operate, and it lessens the prestige of the award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishstick Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) You can jump off Mount Everest now. Hear, hear! he dares to trash the Goddess and Queen and call this stunning: Edited February 25, 2013 by fishnets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceroll Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Looks like this thread will hit 200 pages after all. So much post awards drama, maybe we'll be nominated for Best Ensemble in a Dramatic Series in next year's SAGs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 You guys should all kowtow to my Awards knowledge. And no, I don't watch old ceremonies. I watch entire ceremonies only twice. Once on oscar night, and once the night before the following oscars. And, I never rewatch Oscar clips except for Meryl clips. So then since you're an awards expert can you answer my question as to how many BP winners bedsides Argo don't have a single acting, directing, visual, or sound award? I'm really curious if it's ever even happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementeleus Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Well obviously nothing is written in stone at the Oscars, I'm just saying the Argo BP win doesn't make a lick of sense, except as a political move to make up for the Affleck snub backlash. And to me that's not the way the Academy should operate, and it lessens the prestige of the award. Sure it makes sense. People either liked the movie the most, or it was less objectable as a backup choice than the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceroll Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Boring show last night and really illustrated that the Academy makes no sense anymore. Waltz wins for more or less the same performance he won for just 3 years ago, and Argo carries its pity party all the way to Best Picture which was entirely expected but still annoying. How can a movie be Best Picture when the only other significant award it wins is screenplay? And pretty much no directing or acting recognition? Meanwhile LOP wins VFX, score, cinematography, and directing (essentially everything that makes up a movie aside from screenplay and acting) and doesn't win BP? Not that I'm saying I think LOP was the most deserving to win, but based on the other awards it won it made zero sense why it wouldn't win BP. And I think giving the award to Lee and not giving him BP for a second straight time was more insulting than if they hadn't given the award to him at all. On the plus side I was happy for Lawrence and Hathaway (even though Field was the better performance) and downright ecstatic Snore-More got shut out aside from Foreign. Snore-More Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceroll Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Wow this subforum just grew by like 5000 posts in the last 2 days. Just overtook The Speakeasy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
