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33 minutes ago, Bluebomb said:Saturday schedules (all holdovers in the leaving column exit on Friday)
Broadway/AMC
In general, Broadway/AMC has gone fairly light on the openers while retaining showtimes for some holdovers. Dirty Grandpa will be saved up until Sunday.The ONE New Holdovers Leaving The Good Dinosaur (3D Eng.) - 3 showings (▲ 0) An - 1 showing (▼ 2) Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Road Chip (Can.) The Good Dinosaur (Can.) - 1 showing (▲ 0) Dirty Grandpa - 7 showings (▼ 8) House of Wolves The Good Dinosaur (Eng.) - 4 showings (▼ 5) The Big Short - 3 showings (=) Anniversary Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Road Chip (Eng.) - 3 showings (▲ 2) The Big Bee - 1 showing (▼ 3) Ip Man 3 From Vegas to Macau 3 - 8 showings The Revenant - 1 showing (▼ 2) The Little Prince (Eng.) The Monkey King 2 3D - 1 showing The Monkey King 2 - 7 showings
This pattern will change on Monday when The Mermaid is out. This film is getting 2 screens on Broadway/AMC (it is their film) so holdovers are almost all out. If not, Deadpool will finish them off on Tuesday.
UA
The Monkey King 2 will get the best screens at UA while From Vegas to Macau 3/The Good Dinosaur/Alvin 4 are behind it. The Monkey King 2 will completely strip away all the IMAX screens from Star Wars 7 on Saturday but that will be shortlived as Deadpool swipes it away from The Monkey King 2 on Tuesday.Cityplaza New Holdovers Leaving The Good Dinosaur (3D Can.) - 2 showings (▲ 1) Survivor - 1 showing (▼ 4) The Good Dinosaur (Eng.) The Good Dinosaur (3D Eng.) - 3 showings (▲ 0) The Revenant - 3 showings (▼ 4) The Big Short The Good Dinosaur (Can.) - 3 showings (▲ 2) Sherlock: The Abominable Bride - 3 showings (=) Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Road Chip (Can.) - 5 showings (▲ 4) Ip Man 3 - 1 showing (▼ 3) Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Road Chip (Eng.) - 3 showings (▼ 4) Star Wars: The Force Awakens - 1 showing (=) From Vegas to Macau 3 - 5 showings The Monkey King 2 3D - 9 showings
On Monday, early schedules see Mermaid with different amounts of showtimes. Some will give it 3 showtimes, most with 5-7, a couple with 10 showtimes.
Deadpool will secure the biggest screen on Tuesday.
All holdovers leave on Sunday.
MCL
From Vegas to Macau 3 gets nearly 3 screens at MCL on Saturday while The Good Dinosaur ropes in 2. The Monkey King 2 reels in 1 screen and Alvin is plopped onto 1 screen. The Good Dinosaur/The Monkey King 2 and Alvin 4 will be the most affected by Mermaid and Deadpool opening as they each will get hacked to pieces. At one theater, The Good Dinosaur has 14 showtimes on Sunday but by Tuesday, that number becomes only 3. From Vegas to Macau 3 does relatively well in this aspect as one theater moves from 16 showtimes on Sunday to 8.Telford New Holdovers Leaving The Good Dinosaur (3D Can.) - 5 showings (▲ 4) Dirty Grandpa - 5 showings (▼ 6) The Empire of Corpses The Good Dinosaur (3D Eng.) - 2 showings (▲ 1) The Big Short - 1 showing (▼ 2) House of Wolves The Good Dinosaur (Can.) - 3 showings (=) The Revenant The Good Dinosaur (Eng.) - 2 showings (=) Ip Man 3 Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Road Chip (Can.) - 6 showings (▲ 5) From Vegas to Macau 3 - 14 showings The Monkey King 2 3D - 2 showings The Monkey King 2 - 6 showings
Mermaid will move onto 1 screen on Monday but is cut down to half day on Tuesday.
Deadpool is on 1 screen when it is out on Tuesday.
Only Dirty Grandpa/The Big Short are saved here. The rest of the holdovers are gone by Monday.15 hours ago, TigerPaw said:
Thanks for the numbers and information. Will be a fun weekend + holiday to see your numbers and updates especially with Mermaid on Monday and Deadpool on Tuesday joining holdovers.
I realized a trend in HK, Singapore and Malaysia, that is not present in China. A sequel to a movie with bad wom(eg: Monkey King 2) tends to do badly at least in its opening day or Weekend, pre-sales for Monkey King 2 in Singapore and Malaysia is also quite pathetic, and showtimes are also very limited due to the negative impacts from its predecessors.
While in China, it doesn't matter whether the predecessor is bad, as long as it made money, Monkey King 2's showtimes and screens in Mainland China is almost on par with Mermaid on Feb 8th.
I think MK2 will be in trouble in the rest of its Asian release, such as Singapore, Malaysia and Hong Kong, it will not do as well as the first Monkey King despite inflation and increasing number of theaters. It is quite a pity because I have heard good (not great nor rave, just slightly better than average) reviews for it.There's some rumblings from Hong Kong of the Umbrella Movement stalwarts wanting to boycott Vegas to Macau III, something about the director recently saying he doesn't care about the HK grosses being only 1/25th of the Mainland's. While it may be true, that's a terribly arrogant and insensitive thing to say, for a guy who actually grew up in and started his career in Hong Kong. for shame. Wong Jing!
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52 minutes ago, TigerPaw said:
More of a China Production than HK production. Jackie Chan movies have never done well in HK for the past few years. Release date not set yet, supposed to be released in China on 24th Dec but it ran away from Mojin and Mr Six, Detective Chinatown... so the studio is still confirming the dates.
Judging by the look of this...it was right to run away. Yeah, JC has been a persona non grata in HK for years now.
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I mean...what??? When is this supposed to hit screens?
Renny Harlin directs Jackie Chan and Johnny Knoxville in SKIPTRACE
https://youtu.be/ADP3XkFJhO8
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21 hours ago, firedeep said:
Its very compliated. dont know. ODW could collect 37% (still a big ?) from KFP3 box office. But how much DWA gets ? It depends on how much money it wants to move to the US, which might be what you mean. But for most international companies, they dont have to move all of their profits to their home country (if there is a home country). Most of Apple's money are kept outside of the US.
In many people's imagination, studios (producer+distributor) take 55% out of NA box office, 40~45% out of OS-C box office. But that percentage is pointless, without factoring in marketing and distribution costs. The problem is, unless you actually work on the project, you dont know exactly the cost and profits.
The bigger question is, how much $ has DWA and its Chinese partners sunk on ODW and how does that compare with the KFP "profits?" I think DWA ran into some rough seas last year and downsized, they were pinning on KFP3 hitting major pay dirt in China (I recall firedeep saying there was footage of Jeffrey K insinuating to Raman Hui KFP3 may outgross Monster Hunt, and honestly, that was the vibe on KFP3 leading into the new year), now that it hasn't taken shape, what happens next?
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28 minutes ago, bangbingchan said:
WOM is even better than JW.
8.2 Douban 9.1 Maoyan 9.0 Gewara
But CNY is different from other holiday,Panda will loss most screens on Feb.8.JW benefited a lot from dragon boat festival.
Yes, Dragonboat weekend and also weakened competition until July Summer holidays with which it partook in even for a week or so. It was the last Hollywood flick in June and no rev share imports came in till Aug with Termina-turd. That it was a Summer spectacle and had CG dinosaurs might've helped too. KFP is going to be under siege once the CNY movies pile in...WOM is not the issue here, it's the rather low occupancy it is toting on its day and date opening with the US. My 2 cents.
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1 minute ago, Archerdude said:
Sorry Tigerpaw...just means the last 6 months taught us all to pause and take note of the market's fickle tendencies, it maybe is hitting some form of a bottleneck or people's tastes changing for the better. I'm slightly more pessimistic with KFP3 in particular and do not for a sec go with the "oh it's animated it is supposed to start slower" or "it's animated the multipliers will be higher" theories. KFP3 was seen as the silver bullet to all these animated flick syndromes. It was NOT supposed to behave like a Hollywood imported animated flick, with its cultural relevance, local connections (ODW and friends have been drum banging on this for years) and they sure did a lot of things around it. Ultimately the market turned on them, I think firedeep may have a point on the date, if true that DWA decided against China Film's plans. CFG may have done some things to remove a competitor or two instead the big movies in CNY will slice Po's legs right off. I hope I'm wrong but I do think KFP3 transformed from success story to cautionary tale over the course of this weekend.
I forgot to say, DWA had their pick of the release date, that's not rare for a Hollywood flick, that's NEVER happened before! All because of its local film status, and they just wasted it. Also don't say animated sequels have less multipliers than live action...again, this ain't supposed to be no Hollywood flick, everything they have done since KFP2 was to position this as a local film through and through and perhaps the animated flick that doesn't need to have any of the animated film's usual maladies.
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29 minutes ago, sgchn40 said:
Tigerpaw will be so sad...
Sorry Tigerpaw...just means the last 6 months taught us all to pause and take note of the market's fickle tendencies, it maybe is hitting some form of a bottleneck or people's tastes changing for the better. I'm slightly more pessimistic with KFP3 in particular and do not for a sec go with the "oh it's animated it is supposed to start slower" or "it's animated the multipliers will be higher" theories. KFP3 was seen as the silver bullet to all these animated flick syndromes. It was NOT supposed to behave like a Hollywood imported animated flick, with its cultural relevance, local connections (ODW and friends have been drum banging on this for years) and they sure did a lot of things around it. Ultimately the market turned on them, I think firedeep may have a point on the date, if true that DWA decided against China Film's plans. CFG may have done some things to remove a competitor or two instead the big movies in CNY will slice Po's legs right off. I hope I'm wrong but I do think KFP3 transformed from success story to cautionary tale over the course of this weekend.
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2 hours ago, a2knet said:
If the rumors are true, then how arrogant is the DW top brass to make such a huge blunder. How did those at the top reach that position with this attitude?
If employees at the lower rung of the ladder were this bad in their respective fields they would get fired.
On the positive side, if the under-performance in China (relative to expectations) is mainly due to the blunder in release date, it is a very fixable thing and KFP4 should be on. Cause the potential to make insane money in China will still be there for this franchise irrespective of KFP3 date issues.
I'll be more worried about how DW is going to keep afloat...no Shrek's, Madagascar cancelled and now KFP3's surefire status in China crashed and burned...where do they go from here? Don't blame Fox they did not make these movies...they probably didn't decide either for US and China and a handful to go first and the rest to go to market in March. FF7 really got many greedy and think that China is going to be easy and automatic, well guess what?
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Boohoohoo, I feel bad the movie made only 6.2 Million HKD on the first day (with midnights) and will probably need another day to surpass the highest grossing installment in the series.
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The negative reviewers' track record of previous reviews tells you of their tendencies and biases...
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Apparently there's a cuss word in the dubbed version of the one movie no one is talking about -- SpongeBob, is this right or a prank? Read it on weibo...
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12 hours ago, No Prisoners said:
Our times presales at 1160. should come in at 2- 2.2x that at 23-25m. Looks like an underperformer with 24% of shows and could fade fast if it doesn't gain traction on Saturday.
JB 24 should drop 12%~ again. Will be close for 1st place
HG4 sales still not picking up yet at 6.6m
TP4 is still under 2m with 20% of shows. Hopefully JB will hold its shows when Martian comes out and they take them from this dud
At 8pm the Maoyan numbers aren't that close 22.5 for Our times and 18.5 for JB24 for the day.
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22 hours ago, The Good Olive said:
Very few people know what Snoopy is, and basically no marketing for movie.
I think Fox semi-tried, but fact is they had two films releasing within days of each other. I'm wondering if they regret pushing for Peanuts now that Scorch Trials got shoved down early Nov...guess not, better to have a flop than see the slot go to another studio and succeed? Oh and no one in this forum commenting on Everest?
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1 hour ago, The Good Olive said:
Snoopy is flopping, the consecutive under-performance of several foreign animated movies makes me worry about KFP3...
KFP series never performed like a typical animated title. You can also expect Sponge Bob to sink like a stone (pun semi intended) when it releases, these IP's just aren't known or have any relevance to the Chinese auds. It is going to be increasingly tough for non-sequel animated's to break out, and will take a very specific type of those movies coupled with a good date and a solid marketing effort.
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Incredibly crowded weekend this week, it is tough for the new Studio releases!
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15 hours ago, jiangsen said:
I stand corrected, though no word on this in Chinese press.
Is POINT BREAK really happening in early Dec., more importantly, is there any demand for it? I think around Asia it is opening in early Dec too.
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6 hours ago, No Prisoners said:
4 big releases this week taking a lot of showtimes.
AM drops to 11% shows tomorrow, 4% on wed then 1% on Friday.
700m/110m could have happened if it kept 8-10% thru Sunday.
They're really piling it on, still don't get Tuesday openings but shouldn't be too surprised I guess, better than Monday ones!
What's tracking to be the winner in the royal rumble between Everest, Maze and Peanuts? Guessing Maze as it is a sequel and it went 3D this time?
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Congrats to ANT MAN indeed, will it get to US$110M in the Middle Kingdom?
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$100m for AM has been locked since that opening Friday. It's now heading to $110m or so.
To put how good AM is performing in perspective:
China will more than 4x UK, its second biggest international market. China will also produce more than 20% of its worldwide gross, 20%, the highest China/Worldwide percentage for any superhero movie in history. CA2 was just under 17%, DOFP just above 16%, GOTG 11%. (As for the China/NA ratio: AM 61%, CA2 46%, DOFP 51%, GOTG 26%.)
China has undoubtedly become the fruitful backyard gardon of Marvel. Probably as soon as in two years, North America will no longer be its biggest box office market. Eventually, we will see China become the biggest market, and not just box office wise, of most of those uniformed superheroes, Marvel or DC.
Firedeep, great analysis. Spandex Fatigue has eluded China it seems, as has 3D fatigue so far! Remains to be seen there just is so much superior movies coming down the turnpike in 2016 onwards, survival to the fittest, we're starting to see some weakness with F4 this year and Green Lantern a couple of years ago...audiences are beginning to get choosy...
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So sorry, must be late or the long week last week, what's IW2 referring to here?
OK ok ok...Infinity War 2! I was cracking my head thinking of movies from end 2015!
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Well....if $600M or higher, happens in China for IW2.....it could maybe beat Titanic, WW-wise.
So sorry, must be late or the long week last week, what's IW2 referring to here?
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Hopefully on the higher end.
31.5(+40%)
56.7 (+80%)
45 (-20%)
133.2M(-50.8%)
Clear 500 by sunday night?
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Marvel announced Ant-Man 2 BEFORE the first movie opened in China. It was like they already knew how big it was going to be in China...
Crazy.
I doubt one had to do with the other, they independently decided on the sequel but probably thought China would at least be decent...just it is more than decent now.
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Wait...no tears for Eddie the Eagle?