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This failure is too big to be true. (65% drop This week end).
i don't get it. The movie is not bad at all. Now the success of movies is based on marketing and internet discussions before the release. I hate that. -
2 hours ago, Barnack said:
Production Companies
- Twentieth Century Fox (presents)
- Bad Hat Harry Productions
- Donners' Company
- Kinberg Genre
- Marvel Entertainment (in association with)
- TSG Entertainment (in association with)
James Cameron production are not known to be particularly on the cheap side, they sound quite possible to be true numbers.
Budget figures of movies have always been a way to communicate and too big to be true in Hollywood. The truth is probably lower for many movies. They only had Genisys for model. I doubt they really put 185 m in it.
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48 minutes ago, dudalb said:
Given the 180 to 200 Million budget ,..which means a break even point of around 400 million, yeah, it's pretty bad.
Projected losses are around 100 Million dollars. I think that qualifies as bad.
And it might not even make 300 Million.
These budget numbers are too big to be true.
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So the movie will make 75 M in the USA and 300+ww.
Is it really that bad ?
i'm not sure.
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27 minutes ago, dudalb said:
Of course you know that 47 Million in 1982 meant a hell of a lot more tickets sold then 47 Million in 2019.
Totally meaningless comparasion.
God, the way Fanboys are trying to ignore that his film is a big box office disappointment is amusing. Yes, it will not lose money because of the low budget but won't make much either.
Yes... i said "inflation adjusted, It's not the same story".
big bo disappointment ? I'm not sure. Experts saw this US BO figure 1 month before the release. They did forecast 20 m OW and 45 at the end.
it's disappointibg in europa though. 25% less than Rambo 4.
in USA, it Will be only 10% less than Rambo4 (inflarion adjusted) and even more (inflation non adjusted). -
I've just noticed that First Blood did gross 47 m in 1982 in USA.
it would be cool if the studio managed to push Last Blood to this mark.
Ok inflation adjusted, It's not the same story...
Anyway it will depend on the theater count of next week.
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4 hours ago, Captain Craig said:
I don't see how that's an accurate statement. It's hardly unusual for an American centric franchise to skew higher Domestically. A 60/40 split is not at all unusual. My take is this movie is doing as expected, especially based on the projections the studio gave and how it just missed the low end of tracking($20m).
Currently at $40m Dom and barring some wide theater loss should hit $50m in 3-4 weeks with International still opening in more markets and existing adding to the totals.
Unfortunately, it won't reach 50 m in the usa. 44 m should be the end.
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I've just noticed That It's not that bad in Germany. But It's not great.
Uk, italy, It's bad.
france It's almost bad. (20% less than. Rambo 4 the first week).
Expect 20% less in international in comparaison with Rambo 4.
So this one could make 100 m WW ...
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It's a flop everywhere in the world except in the USA...
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So... 8,6 m for Rambo this 2nd week end. -55%. Not bad. Not great.
deserved more for his last fight. -
This movie has not been understood because nobody expected that. It's a western like the first Rambo was. A Western with heart.
it could have been better visually. Of course it didn't cost 50 millions. Of course it's not perfect and cliché sometimes.
But It's an Incredible conclusion to the saga. I'm really disappointed by the box office. It deserved much more.
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18 minutes ago, Blaze Heatnix said:
40 million worldwide so far.
Overseas grosses haven't been updated since last Sunday. I think this movie might make a profit.
I loved this one, it was a great surprise.
I loved it too. It's a crazy movie but full of heart. Full of heart. The last 30 minutes are totaly wouaw ! It didn't deserve the critics. It's full of heart and the real successor to first Blood.
Rambo 1 and this one tell a Story about a Man's Tragedy.
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19 minutes ago, Captain Craig said:
All you really need to know if you're someone who cares about RT is the audience score for this movie.
83%
Fun time at the theater with an old franchise favorite!!
The film financially will be fine. It'll be about $25m going into weekend two. It'll do $8-9m so it'll be at/about $34m. The M-Th dailies get another 4m or so putting it at $38m. It's third weekend is $3-4m placing it at/about $41/42m.
The budget was $50m, so it's not going to flop. Not some big rejuvenated come back I grant but this character has become super niche. If nothing else it allows Sly leverage for an Expendables 4 I bet.
The last one made 52 m inflation adjusted. This one needs to make 50 m imo. It all depends on this week end.
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Numbers are bad. It could be worse but they are not good. Inflation adjusted, It's behind Rambo 4 (2008). Sad.
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2 hours ago, sfran43 said:
I just watched it. I deeply loved it. Best Rambo since first Blood 1982. I didn't like Creed 2. But This Rambo is already cult imo. Not perfect but i loved the characters and Rambo... In my theater, 90% of males. That's why This movie can't succeed at the box office.
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yes, Rambo 1, 2 and 3 were big.
The 3rd was even bigger in video rental and sales. -
45 minutes ago, Barnack said:
I feel that view is a bit influenced by narrative from those media pundit of those days.
1 ET: The Extra-Terrestrial $792,965,326 $435,110,554 $357,854,772 54.87% 2 Tootsie $177,200,000 $177,200,000 100.00% 3 An Officer and a Gentleman $129,795,554 $129,795,554 100.00% 4 Gandhi $127,767,889 $52,767,889 $75,000,000 41.30% 5 First Blood $125,212,904 $47,212,904 $78,000,000 37.71% 6 Rocky III $125,049,125 $125,049,125 100.00% 7 Poltergeist $121,706,019 $74,706,019 $47,000,000 61.38% 8 Porky's $109,492,484 $109,492,484 100.00% 9 Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan $95,800,000 $78,912,963 $16,887,037 82.37% 10 Das Boot $84,970,337 $11,487,676 $73,482,661 13.52% First blood was bigger than rocky 3 and stark trek 2
Rocky 3 was way bigger than First Blood. In your listing, it's not the WW figure.
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Rocky 3 was way bigger than First Blood. In your listing, it's not the WW figure.
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What could be the final Bo in usa ? Is 45 M out of reach ?
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Can someone bring good news for Rambo ? This franchise can't die like this... Thanks.
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I still think that Rambo will win the week end. Sly has made Jimmy Fallon last night and critics about gory scenes in the movie will attract moviegoers. I expect a great friday and greater saturday.
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On 2/11/2019 at 2:19 PM, Omni said:
WEEKEND ACTUALS 07-10 FEBRUARY
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-RANK- MOVIE WEEKEND GROSS HOLD TOTAL GROSS PROJECTED GROSS 1 The Mule 2.20 NEW 2.20 7.00 2 10 Giorni Senza Mamma (It) 2.13 NEW 2.13 5.00 3 How to Train your Dragon 3 1.86 -41% 5.52 8.40 4 Green Book 1.34 -26% 3.63 6.00 5 Creed II
0.48 -69% 6.90 7.20 6 Il Primo Re (It) 0.48 -48%
1.67 2.10 7 Mia et le Lion Blanc (Fr) 0.32 -64% 5.45 5.80 8 The Possession of Hannah Grace 0.28 -60% 1.18 1.30 9 The Favourite 0.23 -65% 2.38 2.60 10 Remì - Sans Famille (Fr) 0.23 NEW 0.23 0.30 The weekend is down a whooping 17% from last year, when Fifty Shades Freed opened close to 6M euros. Year-to-year, 2019 is still 1% above 2018 through the same period.
The Mule did pretty well. The opning is on par with Sully's (2.2M OW for a 6.9M total) and more than 80% higher than 15:17 to Paris (1.2M). Considering the reception is good, that there isn't much competition next weekend and that the opning is probably slightly subdued, I'm predicting it to beat Sully, even though just barely.
Decent for the usual (and useless) Italian comedy. Its total will likely be in the mediocre range though, as there are just too many local products, all similar to each other, to develop some legs.
Average as expected for Dragon 3, should be a close race between it and Venom (currently #9 of the season with 8.5M euros).
Green Book did very well, especially given the competition from Eastwood and the weakened evenings.
Creed II's legs have been pathetic. I don't remember the last time a movie opening above 3 millions on a non-Holiday weekend failed to reach a 2x multiplier. Just like FB2, it failed to attract casual moviegoers, but at least Scamander was able to get a multiplier above 2.1x.
Mia got mauled more than expected - it's the "week 4" rule, baby.
Remì is one heck of a failure, it was even released in a respectable number of theaters. It will lose 4/5 of its showings on Thursday.
Outside the top 10:
* Bohemian Rhapsody is now done, but it remained in the top 12 by beating the local flop of Copperman (by like 900 admissions). Unless it gets a bump with Oscars, it will miss the top 10 of all time (by Cinetel incomplete numbers); the 10th spot is now occupied by Da Vinci Code (28.678.463 euros) and it's hard for BR to get 440K more off a 170K weekend so late in its run. Even this phenomen wasn't immune to the most strict rule in the Italian box office: as soon as you leave the top 5/6 of the weekend, your run is over.
* Ralph is #18 with a 46K gross, and a 10.8M total; atrocious post-holiday legs, but a very good result overall
* Aquaman out of the top 20, it will finish 1% under Ralph (but close to 10% below in admissions)
Next weekend:
> Alita: Battle Angel > no idea what to expect from this one, I only hope it goes as high as possible; that said, I'm afraid even Ready Player One's 4.8M total might look optimistic
> The Queen's Corgi > France/GB co-production, animated movie; should get around 1M total
> Un'Avventura > romantic Italian comedy
On 2/11/2019 at 2:19 PM, Omni said:WEEKEND ACTUALS 07-10 FEBRUARY
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-RANK- MOVIE WEEKEND GROSS HOLD TOTAL GROSS PROJECTED GROSS 1 The Mule 2.20 NEW 2.20 7.00 2 10 Giorni Senza Mamma (It) 2.13 NEW 2.13 5.00 3 How to Train your Dragon 3 1.86 -41% 5.52 8.40 4 Green Book 1.34 -26% 3.63 6.00 5 Creed II
0.48 -69% 6.90 7.20 6 Il Primo Re (It) 0.48 -48%
1.67 2.10 7 Mia et le Lion Blanc (Fr) 0.32 -64% 5.45 5.80 8 The Possession of Hannah Grace 0.28 -60% 1.18 1.30 9 The Favourite 0.23 -65% 2.38 2.60 10 Remì - Sans Famille t
Creed II's legs have been pathetic. I don't remember the last time a movie opening above 3 millions on a non-Holiday weekend failed to reach a 2x multiplier. Just like FB2, it failed to attract casual moviegoers, but at least Scamander was able to get a multiplier above 2.1x.Creed. 2 legs were bad but the movie reached 1 million admissions at least which is great. How italians rate the movie ? It's rate 7.6/10 on imdb.
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What could be the final for creed 2 ? We are at 720 k admissions so far.
Creed III | March 3, 2023 | MBJ will direct
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if you consider the ticket price inflation, you will see that Rocky 3 and 4 had a bigger opening and a lot bigger box office in USA or WW.
But the medias will say the contrary. Of course...