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12 hours ago, ringedmortality said:
Zaslav was vindicated when he removed low watched HBOMAX shows when other streamers started doing, most notably Netflix, and now is being vindicated on writing off Batgirl
Netflix has never removed an original because it was low watched.
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The debt WBD has is solely on Zaslav and his team for making a bad deal with AT&T.
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From Matt Belloni's newsletter. Wonder what that last part means
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1 hour ago, dudalb said:
I have had it with Zaslev.
He is not to blame for Warner's debt problems...you can blame past administrations for that...but he just making things worse.
Yes, deep,deep cuts were inevitable..any studio head would have had to do that.
But he seems to have no idea of what to cut and what to keep. The way he is going, HBO/MAX or whatever the hell they call the streaming service is not going to have enough content to keep subscribers. If he think people will pay 15 bucks a month for a network largely consisting of dumb reality shows, he has another thing coming.
I have given him the benefit of the doubt, given the realities of the debt crisis he was facing, but he gets that benefit no more. He has now become part of the problem.
He is to blame for their debt. The amount of debt Discovery took on from AT&T was part of the negotiation. They could have taken on less debt. But they might not have been able to get AT&T to agree to a deal if that were the case
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26 minutes ago, TestPattern said:
Hollywood insiders is talking about an NBCU Warner Bros merger again.
Legally, talks can't start until April 2024
A combined NBCU/WBD would own 11 of the 20 most viewed cable channels (as of 2021). No other media company would own more than 1. They would also have more than 40% of total viewers on a nightly basis, the next closest being Disney at 10%. While I'm sure spinoffs of certain channels might change those numbers a little bit (you wouldn't need both CNN and MSNBC, or E!/Oxygen and some of the Discovery nets), that's still an insane amount of power to have over one of the largest consumer industries in America.
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3 hours ago, Ozymandias said:
I'm honestly really skeptical of that number Amazon gave out for Rings of Power, its very conveniently the exact same number that HBO says the House of the Dragon premiere got over the course of its first week. And I didn't see the third episode of Rings Of Power trend on social media this past Thursday night/Friday the way GOT/HOTD does every Sunday.
The few third party numbers we did get from Samba TV had HOTD more than doubling ROP with 4.8 million to 1.8 million. This isn't across all devices, but thats still a huge discrepancy.
I might be mistaken, but I believe we haven't seen any worldwide numbers for HOTD. To my understanding, the 10M it did in its first day and 20M it did in its first ~6 days were only based on US viewing. ROP's 25M viewers in its first day was a worldwide number
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Just now, BadOlCatSylvester said:
Damn, they're straight up just cutting out Kaling and Hader's characters? The hell? That decision's going to clash heavily with the core idea of Inside Out. I definitely do not envy whoever at Pixar's in charge of this movie. Marvel's so lucky to have Feige as (ironically) an impenetrable shield. Could you imagine where we would be now had Feige actually bailed during the Perlmutter-Civil War debacle?
The original newsletter says nothing about cutting the characters, only that the original voice actors will not be back. That is added speculation from the playlist.net.
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2 hours ago, AnDr3s said:
Is WBD really in financial trouble, or are people just overreacting from the budget cuts and the fall in the stock price?
They are highly levered, but the extent of their financial troubles is wildly overstated. Slightly more than a billion is due in the next 12 months. WBD has over $2.5B of cash on hand and just last quarter was able to drive ~$800M of free cash flow (which should only improve as time goes on) and last quarter repaid $3.5B of long term debt. I'm not saying they are in good financial shape but the idea that they have some sort of cash crunch coming up soon or that they don't have enough money to release a movie like Shazam 2 in December has no basis in reality.
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3 hours ago, Krissykins said:
Sorry, I should’ve been clear: that 40m is US only, 62m worldwide.
Yeh I’m not sure about paid subs Vs free trials, not sure they’d release that information.
Paramount+ has 40m subs worldwide. They didn't break out US vs international in their last earnings report. They 62m total DTC subs, so including Showtime, BET+, Noggin, Nick Hits etc.
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23 minutes ago, AnotherDayAnotherDollar said:
Disney collaborates with Samba TV, so from that alone I have to believe their numbers are legit, especially when coming from Disney+, Hulu, or ESPN+.
https://dmedmedia.disney.com/news/disney-ad-sales-tech-showcase
Their sales team works with them for cross platform advertising campaign attribution and measuring marketing incrementality across linear + Hulu with ads, not Disney+ (at least they haven't said so publicly). It's used more of a measure of purchase behavior and foot traffic vs. an understanding of competitor's streaming results.
And I still don't think that answers questions around the examples I pulled earlier and how off they are compared to first party providers such as Netflix or gold standards (that still have some of their own problems) such as Nielsen (especially for things such as linear TV and Netflix shows/movies).
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1 hour ago, Fox20 said:
Again NO ONE is saying Samba is the one measure, if you have other numbers the post yourself the other numbers, it gives the context of the performance, not the full view, you literally said all that to end saying the same I already pointed out.
You are arguing against a different point than the one I making. There is not enough proof that Samba TV is an accurate measure of streaming viewership and I don't think they should be posted at all or used as a measure of success or failure on here or from sites like Deadline. I'm saying SambaTV numbers shouldn't be posted at all. If you want I can also make up numbers based off of unrepresentative samples and claim it as fact.
1 hour ago, Fox20 said:James Gunn did not say Samba was the only metric, he said it's a third party option to see HOW they are doing more or less, he talks as well how streaming services keep their numbers very close to themselves and how it's hard to tell.
Ok? Does that make the numbers accurate?
1 hour ago, Fox20 said:Let alone all the metrics are flawed when most streaming service like Netflix count a couple of minutes as a view.
Netflix (at least to the public) measures viewership by hours watched. What's flawed about that?
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5 hours ago, Fox20 said:
They have not become "de-facto" they are just another metric, they don't track every single device, just smart Tvs, even James Gunn accepts they are more or less credible.
No one uses Samba as the only gospel
"De-facto" might be a strong choice of words, but it the streaming metric source that gets posted here the most and for the past couple of months I've rarely seen any hedging in terms of its accuracy when it does get posted. Netflix's top 10 lists don't even get published here every week. And headlines like this one from Business Insider and threads from this guy that get thousands of likes on twitter are certainly implying that SambaTV is the accurate measure of viewership on HBO Max when, like I said earlier, there's no real reason to believe they are representative of streaming viewership at all.
And in regards to James Gunn, I would tweet about Samba numbers too if they made my movie look successful. But from his tweets he didn't mention that the number was accurate or even in the right ballpark (I'm also not sure if he even knows the number himself tbh). He just said that his movie was the biggest DC project on Max. I wouldn't say that shows the Samba numbers are "credible".
And if the fact that they don't capture mobile, tablet, and computer viewing is an argument is meant to justify Samba's obvious inaccuracies, maybe they shouldn't b releasing any data? If I captured 70% of a sample's datapoints but that other 30% was crucial in understanding the full impact of what I was measuring I know I wouldn't just release anything.
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18 minutes ago, Eric Riley said:
Why has Samba TV become the de-facto source of truth for streaming metrics on here and on Twitter? To my knowledge there has been no Nielsen-esque stamp of approval for any of the streaming services, and some of the numbers they get are very odd and do not match up at all with sources like Nielsen or Netflix (like their Witcher numbers or the fact that they claim more households watched Mortal Kombat in its first weekend on a significantly smaller streaming service than watched Don't Look Up which is gonna end up as Netflix's biggest film ever).
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2 hours ago, Barnack said:
It was a different time:
Gaining D+ customer is about impossible by now, would need some shift for pixar to go PVOD and a turn around.
They added more non Hotstar subs (i.e subs that actually drive revenue) last quarter than they did in fiscal Q3 or Q2. I wouldn't really say growth has slowed in core D+ markets, at least compared not compared to when Luca came out or really the rest of the 2021
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2 hours ago, lorddemaxus said:
People here are still going with the "Mortal Kombat is the biggest release on HBO Max" narrative for some reason when it isn't true.
I've been basing it off of THR article that said that. They very well may be wrong but I'm willing to trust them
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17 minutes ago, Madhuvan said:
HBO MAX base has grown since GvK. GvK also had better box office and ended with 3x+ multiplier.
Mortal Kombat budget is less than half of TSS.
I'm still not seeing how that shows that TSS streaming numbers were poor. Yes Max has grown since GvK, but we don't know the delta between Max viewership between it and TSS. It could potentially be more than the % increase in subs between that time (or it could be less, we both have no clue). All we know is TSS beat GvK in terms of viewership.
And if the only context we have is TSS did worse than MK, GvK also did worse than MK during a time when sub numbers wouldn't have increased drmatically (there was less than a month between GvK and Mortal Kombat), and GvK also had a substantially higher budget as well and still had less viewers. Yes GvK had a bigger boxoffice than TSS and MK, but I think its still very up in the air the exact LTV of viewership on HBO Max and how that relates to acquisition/churn for individual titles and how that compares to boxoffice numbers (I don't think the people at Max even know). That's why my comment was focused on streaming numbers specifically.
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1 hour ago, SpiderByte said:
I never said more, I said it was comparable considering this had a much larger push.
Not the perfect comp but according to iSpot Disney spent ~$10.3M in US TV ad spend while Suicide Squad spent $18.8M. There's a chance that the % if budget that is US only or TV only is significantly less for Free Guy than TSS, but its most likely that in addition to the higher production budget, TSS had a much larger P&A budget
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30 minutes ago, Nova said:
audience reception, streaming numbers and box office numbers say otherwise.
Being the 2nd biggest movie on Max so far is bad? Yeah it got beat by Mortal Kombat but not sure you can say that means its a bad thing unless you think blockbusters like GvK also under performed.
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14 hours ago, BK007 said:
Home video sales were up to $21b alone in the height of its popularity in 2003/2004.
Today's marketing including subscription streaming is only at $13b. So not only is it way down, but streaming is also eating into box office, pay TV windows etc.
That today's market number seems way off. DEG says that in 2020 home entertainment (not including PVOD) revenue was a little more than $30B in the US.
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28 minutes ago, Jamiem said:
Most recent thing I can find is me sharing the old Nielsen numbers here
Will update if I find something with a concrete leak of 3m buys ($90m) number, I vaguely remember it but may have just been a guesstimate from somewhere.
It's from an article in the Information.
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However much it lost, Soul lost more
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Google trends is kinda a crapshoot when it comes to comparing TV shows and movies. The Rise of Skywalker search volume at its peak was 2x The Mandalorian's peak at the end of S2.
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