ZackM
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Dune battles are nothing like LotR battles. Not sure why anyone would have been comparing them.
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1 hour ago, leoh said:
Plus, I repeatedly said 80M was the best case scenario
Which turned out to be wrong.
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1 minute ago, leoh said:
LolYou alright?
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13 minutes ago, dudalb said:
No Secret that Herbert based a lot of Dune on the rise of Islam in the 6th century AD.
BTW, in the novels it is made clear that Dune takes place in this Universe but over ten thousand years into the future, where "Old Earth" has become half mythical. Some the relgious terms used in the Dune universe are survivals of the languages of Old Earth//
"Jihad" and "Reverend Mother" for instnace.
20,000+ years in the future. 10,000 years after the Butlerian Jihad/Spacing Guild.
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19 minutes ago, Last Man Standing said:
The relationship between Paul and the Fremen is a lot more complex than "exploitation".
Sure. I'm using shorthand to summarize the situation.
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33 minutes ago, stephanos13 said:
Thank you for your analysis. I would like to push back on something.
Paul was capable of passing those trials because he was trained to do so by someone who already knew what he would need to fulfill the prophecy to begin with.
The fact that he was trained doesn't mean that he would pass the tests. Also we know from both movies that Bene Gesserit mixed bloodlines for generations in order to find the one (the chosen one). Paul successfully passing the tests indicates that he is the Messiah, Chosen one or whatever you wanna call him. 😄
The Kwisatz Haderach and the Lisan al Gaib are not the same thing. The Bene Gesserit plant prophesies all over the universe so that they can be exploited in times of need. Many Bene Gesserit could successfully fulfill the prophecies (and many have). The events of Dune are special because it's a perfect storm of Paul being the Kwisatz Haderach, Paul and his mother needing to exploit the Fremen because the rest of their family has been murdered, and the Fremen being the greatest fighting force the universe has ever seen.
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8 hours ago, MattW said:
Enjoyed it very much but couldn’t help wondering, how does Jessica Ferguson and her little riding coach get off the worm when they get to their destination?
They slide down the tail.
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The Fear the Moment scene has been occupying 90% of my brain space for a week now.
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8 hours ago, vale9001 said:
An idea is bad when you see what it is and it's bad. Not because is different. Everything can be better than what it Is.
I'm not the only One see It btw
Chani won't be just a concubine to make children.
As lady Jessica will have a big part in the last movie again. Villenueve made her character really important and has a plane to make her involved in the plot. The movie already set a plot of a future tensione between her and chani.
Female characters being central in the last act would make sense when the saga centered soo much on bene gesserit (with a new series about them coming tol) over any other subplots in the books.
I'm actually not sure what point you're trying to make.
All I'm saying is that a story without Paul and Chani together is fundamentally not Dune: Messiah. It would be like making a Harry Potter movie where Harry isn't a wizard. That's not a valid adaptation.
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12 minutes ago, vale9001 said:
There already hints the story could be kinda of different. I don't know, the first two movies made clear what villenueve like about this saga. Things like the mentat or spacing guild almost don't exist. I don't think the next movie will start to give some space to most of the plots about all that "new stuff" readers knows.
That wouldn't be "kinda different." It would be fundamentally different. It would torch all of the good will he's built. It would be a really bad idea.
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1 minute ago, vale9001 said:
The woman we see from the back in both movies with the Bloody dagger It's her right?
We only get that in Part 1 when Paul's visions aren't dialed in. In Part 2, after drinking the Water of Life, Paul says she will come to understand, he has seen it. So from the strict standpoint of what we've been shown on screen, Chani will be with him. But more importantly, without going into spoilers, their love and dedication to each other is the fundamental core of Messiah. If they are not together it's simply a new story, not an adaptation of Messiah.
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1 hour ago, vale9001 said:
Chani Paul story in the next movie will be totally different from the book i feel.
The chani of the movie won't accept to became a concubine. Imo when Paul will marry Irulan she's gonna "leave him". And probably seeing Paul visions in both movies She will became the leader of a rebellion against Paul.
If Denis wants to take all of the good will he’s built with these two movies and set it on fire, this is what he’ll do.
If he’s not an insane person, he’ll adapt Messiah in a more straight forward way.
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7 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:
I certainly don’t remember Chani being angry at Paul in the book.
It's not in the book. They're ride or die in the book.
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10 minutes ago, joselowe said:
Loved the movie but can someone explain to me what was the significance of Chani preparing for the sandworm at the end? Was this a preparation for a suicide or something lol I haven't read the book or saw part one so I didnt understand that
It's not from the book. Pretty sure she was just peacing out because she wasn't down with Paul going all power hungry.
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19 minutes ago, DInky said:
But he's still himself at that point. Once he gains total prescience from drinking the water of life is when we see a real change in him. "We're Harkonnens. So this is how we'll survive. By being Harkonnens." Because he can see all the possible futures he realizes that the only way for them to come out on top is to embrace their manipulative villainous side. In the novel Paul still feels conflicted about what he must do but we don't get that in the movie at all. After that point in the film we're no longer privy to his thought process. We only see him through the eyes of his followers and Chani.
That's the point where he changes his own path though. He has consciously avoided going South and drinking the Water of Life until that moment. He already knows what that means, even before he gains total prescience.
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1 hour ago, Cmasterclay said:
Huh. Well I liked it alot better than the first, and it was flirting with masterpiece status for awhile - but did they leave a scene on the cutting room floor or something? Paul's heel turn goes from gradual to full blown so fast it barely makes sense. From "we must go to the South" to full blown baddie with one drink that we don't even see the results of? Needed a three minute scene explaining his mindset or something. Without it....I don't know how I felt, honestly.
The attack on Sietch Tabr is where he changes. He decides he needs to be proactive.
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Definitely an incredible theatrical experience. More changes from the book than I anticipated. Some of them were kind of obvious and made sense, like the abbreviated timeline and absence of Alia as an articulate toddler, but some of them were less ideal. Chani not riding with Paul at the end was the most egregious for me, as it makes the plot of Messiah a little awkward. The great houses rejecting Paul's ascendancy and that being the catalyst of the Jihad is weird because it makes them seem like political fanatics instead of religious fanatics.
Ultimately, only mildly annoying when compared to how great the rest of the movie is.
A+. Would recommend.
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I have seen Dune 2. It rules. Bardem is the star.
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17 minutes ago, Austin said:
Would any of you guys recommend Succession? I've heard it has its own brand of palatability and wanted to know if it's worth getting invested into.
Just finished Severance and omg that finale was probably one of the best episodes of television I've seen since Ozymanidas in Breaking Bad. Perfectly paced and edited with peak tension built up throughout the episode.
Succession is a top 5 TV drama.
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25 minutes ago, The GOAT said:
May I ask? Out of curiosity and in need of recommendations during my free time, What pray tell would your top film of the year?
Barbie.
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11 hours ago, Darth Lehnsherr said:
I may have felt a tad called out by this movie lol
When they did the Godfather bit I felt personally targeted.
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A nearly flawless movie. Get rid of Will Ferrell and you've really got something.
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I thought it was very good. My #2 film of the year at this point. It is by no means an all time great or an instant classic, though. Somehow the least impressive technical moment was the bomb itself. I did not care for the way it was presented. The acting, cinematography, score, and sound design were all superb. Some of the anecdotes in the first 30 minutes or so seemed superfluous, but otherwise the pacing was good. I do kind of wish the parallel stories met at the end though. The movie loses some steam after the bomb had been dropped.
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Dune: Part Two (2024)
in Review That Movie! (Spoilers Allowed)
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To be clear, Paul is not omniscient. He can not see everything. The book explicitly states that just as our eyes can not see beyond a mountain when you stand in a valley, prescient sight is also not absolute. He also can't see other prescient beings, like guild navigators.
Paul is a product of his environment. He believes he has a legitimate claim to the throne and he's willing to use the power of the Fremen to make that claim and destroy those that have betrayed him. In his mind, the Jihad is an unfortunate byproduct that he reluctantly accepts because any path that prevents the Jihad also prevents him from claiming the throne. This is why he's an anti-hero and not a villain. In a vacuum, his actions against those who betrayed him are justified, and those people are more traditional villains that deserve to be destroyed. But, he has prescience and knows the results will be catastrophic, thus he is not a hero.