rebelscum86

July 15, 2023

3 hours ago, CJohn said:

I can't really take this Sound of Freedom run seriously with the pay it forward campaign. Unless they announce the split, this is all bullshit numbers to get it to 100M+.

a lot of "not right wingers" seem to be having trouble with charity. it's interesting

July 15, 2023

13 minutes ago, Deathlife said:

So the top 2 movies star men that have crazy religious beliefs.

Interesting times.

no one has a satisfying answer for life, maybe we should stop calling religious beliefs crazy.

July 15, 2023

3 hours ago, The Panda said:

My thoughts I sent Cap last week. Sharing them here:

”It’s a push to make mainstream-like media content that gateways people to dangerous conspiratorial thinking.

Where the BO gross is coming from is also inflated by the core base buying a bunch of unused tickets in order to get “#1 at the BO, toppling Indiana Jones!” As headlines to drive more mainstream interest

It’s using the summer tentpole / action movie as a push for a louder cultural footprint.”

Some broad thoughts I’d like to add onto that:

- This movie fits alongside an evangelical trend to push out more “mainstream appearing” content in order to gain a larger cultural microphone. It’s in line with The Chosen, the Museum of the Bible (on the National Mall), and the “He Gets Us” advertising campaigns. None of these things are as blatantly ideological as some past evangelical content like “Unplanned” or “God’s Not Dead” or “The Creation Museum”, but they’re funded by the same people. That’s important. This material is meant to ease audiences, who wouldn’t be receptive to the more ideological extreme positions of past content, into potentially accepting a more toned down version with a much higher production value than some past pop cultural pushes.

- Is the movie itself extreme in ideology? Probably not, from what I know (I refuse to support it financially so will only see it if it’s available for free). But the director is, and the director opens the door by breaking the third wall at the end of the credits. He uses the movie as pathos to make the audience sympathetic to what he has to say, and then encourages them to listen to him outside of the theater (which will be more ideologically extreme and conspiratorial) and/or support his movie’s Astroturfing campaign

- This type of content is dangerous because it presents itself as moderate and high quality content. However, the makers and supporters behind it are often extremists looking to regain and reclaim a stronger cultural relevance for the evangelical ideology that they perceive as waning in power.

Buying up theaters worth of unused tickets to gain positive box office press gives power to and presents Angel Studios and their filmmakers as alternative mainstream content worth taking seriously. I personally find it worrisome that the astroturfing campaign is working and giving the extremist director a platform he wouldn’t otherwise have.

the right is doing what the left did, but now it's bad bc they are right! opposing good efforts is how you get bad ones.

July 14, 2023

3 hours ago, crazydom said:

This comparison makes no sense and only shows the reaching of this movies defenders. It would only make sense if Miller was going on a press tour connecting their crimes to The Flash and using it as a way to promote and defend them like Ballard and Caviezal are using this movie to go on a press tour promoting and connecting Sound of Freedom to their views.

Caviezel has used his conservative media tour for this movie to rant about “Rothschild banks” and the “global elite” trying to silence the movie and stop it from being released. He has defended QAnon and said QAnon believers are facing persecution like Christians in ancient times. He has openly connected to the Democratic Party and Joe Biden to pedophile rings and Satan. And he said on Charlie Kirk that “a storm is coming” for all who defend these things and are opposed to the movie.

So I’m glad you know more about the intentions of the movie than the lead actor.

Views =/= crimes. this is your problem and post like yours.

July 14, 2023

51 minutes ago, WorkingonaName said:

Cavill.

This. All my wife's celebrity crushes stop at the late 90s early 2000s (Brendan Fraser, Vigo Mortensen) but she LOVES Cavill and immediately rewound and rewatched the bathroom fight.

July 14, 2023

20 minutes ago, ZeroHour said:

I can’t think of anything sillier than wanting an apology from a mega corporation over a popcorn movie. You saw a film you didn’t like 6 years ago. Probably time to move on.

Fortunately other people don't operate according to your views. 1/2 the audience is gone and they don't trust future projects. They aren't going to trust future projects until Disney assures them they won't keep doing the things that lost them.

July 14, 2023

2 minutes ago, scytheavatar said:

People really need to give Iger time to clean up the mess left to him by the previous 2 CEOs. In particular the CEO before Chapek who allowed budgets to run crazy, who went on a buying spree of companies rather than fix existing Disney studios, who pushed the company heavily towards streaming with no plan for profitability and who pushed the company towards milking old IP rather than creating new successful ones. I am sure Iger has a better idea for the future of Disney than a live action Moana.......

My eye is twitching. Sarcasm? Tough to tell b/c of Disney and Iger fans

July 14, 2023

1 minute ago, djbayko said:

Children's movie with school still in session, no?

adult audience with work still needing to be done

July 14, 2023

9 hours ago, ZeroHour said:

For those watching, Marvel has actually been initiating a lot of behind the scenes changes since Iger came back. The release schedule for the shows has slowed down. Victoria Alonso was shown the door. Almost every movie they’re prepping has changed writers, notably pivoting away from TV comedy writers. The two big Avengers films got pushed back. The Marvels got a public test screening instead of keeping everything internal. They know MoM and L&T disappointed their audience and that Ant 3 was a disaster. They’re changing things up but that’s a slow process for projects of these sizes.

I remember a case study in biz management where Disney internally didn't let people say negative things or criticisms during meetings. They were only allowed to say a current good thing then propose a good thing to work towards or do. So if your burgers were dry hockey pucks you weren't supposed to acknowledge that, you would have to say our burgers have excellent toppings, and I think it would be great if the patties were juicy to match!

It's good for them to make changes, but they need to assure audiences they heard their critiques, they have taken to heart what was wrong, and that they don't want to mess up like that again or the audiences are just not coming back. There are so many SW fans that are lost unless Disney can say TLJ was a mistake and Luke story should have been better.

July 14, 2023

How could this be possible? I was told Disney is fine, facing not decline or set backs, hasn't alienated any audience, and that Lucas film's only failure was Solo and just as strong as before the ST!

July 14, 2023

for posterity sake just want to put it out ahead of time I don't think Barbie is going to do as well as expected. Great for the budget, maybe even break 100m OW, but I don't think it's IM or legs will be good and won't be surprised if previews is it's biggest pull.

July 14, 2023

On 7/12/2023 at 3:17 AM, OncomingStorm93 said:

You’ve been a member here for all of two weeks… no?

No. And if I started watching Happy Days 2 episodes before Fonzi did the ski jump does that change the effect of the ski jump?

1 hour ago, crazydom said:

Ballard and Caviezal are both believers in Q-Anon, have spoken at Q-Anon conventions, have hung out with people like Lin Wood, and have directly connected this movie to those conspiracies when promoting it. The main group of people that they have chosen to advertise this movie to and promote it with have been conservative talk show hosts.

You can't disconnect the movie from the politics, because the people promoting it have intrinsically linked it TO politics.

Who did Ballard and Caviezel hurt and abuse? B/c we didn't need a very special and closely monitored containment thread for Ezra Miller and the Flash so no serious person takes this type of comment seriously.

July 14, 2023

7 hours ago, harry713 said:

Oh so it's not part of the 49.5 current gross?

7 hours ago, baumer said:

I'm actually not sure. I too would like to know. I would assume it's probably part of the current gross because somebody bought the tickets already.

Fans are buying tickets to donate to other people. We are in a recession, lots of older people on fixed incomes are going to be interested in this movie. They are real retail purchases. The purchase goes to angel studio and is held until it is claimed. The purchase is not going to the exhibitors 1st, so they are affecting the BO numbers when claimed at the exhibitor.

You can go to their website and probably see how many PIF tickets are available to see what is still out there. There is nothing nefarious about charity. "free" is not free. A church purchasing a theater for a Sunday easter movie does not make the tickets "free". NGOs also bought tickets and theaters out for Black Panther and Cpt. Marvel.

The box office =/= popularity which seems to be the major contention being had over the "free" tickets. If it meant popularity we would all demand every movie be adjsuted for inflation and talk about # of tickets sold. A 14m movie has done extremely well.

Also MI7 is fine. I would have liked to see 20m opening day, but it is a franchise with strong consistency and legs. Anything over 200m is a normal performance and I still see 250m.

July 12, 2023

6 hours ago, Shawn said:

Er, folks... $7 million is a very good start.

MI series does 10-12x previews IM, 3.5 legs, 30/70 domestic / foriegn split. This is opening is right in line and supressed by not only discount Tuesday but an adult audience that has no time on Tuesday or Wednesday.

July 12, 2023

4 minutes ago, Belakor said:

90m opening for MI7 should be good, its going to have strong WOM.

I can see it reaching 300m if it hits the audience like Top Gun maverick did.

WW I also expect strong numbers.

I see 90-110m with a final of 250-280

July 12, 2023

13 hours ago, BoxOfficeFangrl said:

I think it was Deadline who called Sound of Freedom a mini-American Sniper and that seems about right. The funny thing was that one premiered at a film festival in November to mid reviews, so it was dismissed as an awards player and its content went largely undebated. Then it went wide in January to enormous box office, and suddenly there was all this controversy online about the accuracy and the politics and what a dangerous message it was sending, often from people who hadn't seen the movie. That was a mainstream studio film, and no one in the production was promoting it on social media with conspiracy theories, at least.

But overall the beats are very familiar.

Isn't funny how it's always these movies that get this treatment? This board has jumped the shark and went more Mao than reddit on this film.

1) a movie is allowed to just be entertainment and offer emotional catharsis

2) there is no group of people that own the right to present a chathartic movie or an audience that doesn't have a right to it

3) none of us know any of these people, or what they have been through for how they needed to make sense of the world. I watched an interview of Tim Ballard today talking about having to watch hours of child abuse videos to write evidence reports for court. And you know what? I don't care that a guy like that needs to believe in objective evil and god, and make sense of his work by thinking he is on a mission from god.

My brother was a communications specialist in Iraq where he had to document the hostage, torture, and execution videos. That was almost 20 years ago and he still isn't normal. He cannot function on any productive level and lays back in a recliner watching MASH and war movies repeatedly. Why? B/c nothing is important anymore and misses having purpose. So if a guy like Ballard has to believe his is on a mission from God and is able to turn that into saving some kids along the way, maybe stop criticizing how he thinks of himself, talks about himself, or gets it done, and just be happy is functioning and some kids are safer.

This board and it's reaction to the movie is an embarassment. This is never what leftism was, this is extremism that the marxist perverted the left with. This is not tolerance, empathy, understanding, or respect for others.

July 11, 2023

It's so good, people are getting more then they expect I think. I was expecting a Taken / Death Wish action movie, and it is none of that. It is an extremely tasteful drama, and without the cathartic release of action it ends up being just gut wrenching suspense.

it's just phenomenal the amount of tension the movie pulls for so long.

July 11, 2023

Also did it get posted the actual turned out to be 19.7m for the weekend?

July 11, 2023

15 hours ago, Deep Wang said:

I literally just checked the topic on twitter because it was trending and one of the first tweets I saw was someone saying that thousands of children are going to be saved now because of this movie, and I'm like, HOW?

15 hours ago, XXR Electric Touch said:

And now you’re gonna use this education to…..what? The studio you gave your performative dollars to suggests charity donations and community involvement, but….

https://www.angel.com/blog/sound-of-freedom/posts/sound-of-freedom-join-the-fight-against-child-trafficking

How to Help Anti-Trafficking Efforts

Rescue

There are a variety of nonprofit organizations that lead international operations to rescue people from trafficking. Research organizations in your area you can donate to, volunteer or fundraise for.

Same way Daniel Penny got charged, public pressure. The main frustration people have over child trafficking is 1) we feel not enough investigation happen or are treated seriously and 2) victims / accusers are too easily ignored and called conspiracy theorists, grifters, people with false memories. I'll take people just accpeting this is a real issue with much more victims than they realize so people aren't so easily dismissed.

but like I already said, fund raising might go up.

14 hours ago, Deep Wang said:

I can’t speak for everyone, but it’s not that I hate the movie so much as I hate the messengers. Caviezel especially has so much baggage now that it’s hard to care about a movie like this knowing what he really thinks about the subject matter.

this is partisan bs that no one buys and at worst does make people suspicious. I have seen much more passionate rants here against Caviezel for thinking the wrong thing than I have Ezra Miller for doing the wrong thing.

Any thing about the quality of human of the actor or the responsibility the movie has is utter bunk and laughably transparent with the quality of humans most films have attached and the socially conscious story telling Hollywood loves.

10 hours ago, SLAM! said:

I found the website detailing how filmmakers can submit a five-minute prototype to Angel Studios as a “torch” for the studio to consider helping and guiding them with matters of funding. Anyone intrigued can click here for more information, but I’ll elaborate on this as well.

Angel Studios defines as a “torch” as any film/tv project or story that “amplifies light,” and their definition of light derives from Philippians 4:8 where Paul famously states, “finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is anything excellent or worthy of praise, think about these things” (NASB). I believe that when a genuine Christian sets out to make a film of any genre, as many Christians did in the times of vintage Hollywood when the faith was more widely practiced—and when they’re doing it the right way—their effort to make it the above things shines through the work itself. A western can amplify light, a sci-fi can amplify light, a drama can amplify light, a fairy tale can amplify light, a crime film or historical piece or comedy can amplify light, and so on, as long as the filmmaker crafts something exuding the traits listed by Paul.

Their definition of light invites a complicated debate on whether it’s ethical for Angel Studios to give a platform to filmmakers engaging in QAnon conspiracy, but the film Sound of Freedom in and of itself, in my opinion, offers a great example of what it could mean for a film to be true, honorable, right, etc. A film amplifying light can absolutely discuss uncomfortable topics like trafficking and still be presentable as light.

The Shift is a Faustian bargain deal with the devil story.

3 hours ago, MightGuy said:

The hell?

Are you serious? I can't even be kind about this take. The adrenochrome theory is A] definitely Qanon related and B] absolutely in no way a belief that you can have and just be fine. Negative. There is literally an extremist action based entirely around this conspiracy theory.

I gotta step away if this is the kind of thing folks can just post with no pushback.

I can guarantee that someone who has abused a child has drank their blood before. We know nobles have practiced blood sacrifices with children. Gilles de Rais famously murderer 200 hundred children in blood rituals after torturing them to gain more life.

I really don't understand why we care people call it adrenochrome and try and label it a drug to make sense of it. Not everyone is intelligent, and it's difficult to explain horrifically traumatic things. Their position is that this is would be horrible thing to do to children, but the vitriol of the backlash is as if they were pro adrenochrome.

July 10, 2023

My grandfather's favorite books series is Jack Reacher and he hates the movies b/c Tom Cruise messes with his head canon. Meanwhile I appreciate having a great actor vs just a big guy. Pops is 91 and has no clue about the modern world or politics, so it just goes to show messing with canon can piss anyone off.

July 10, 2023

41 minutes ago, rebelscum86 said:

that a cabal of Satanic, cannibalistic child molesters are operating a global child sex trafficking ring

true. Jeffery Epstein. Anything evil is called satanic by christians so we are splitting hairs whether they actually practice satanism

which conspired against former U.S. President Donald Trump during his term in office."

Started on 4chan or 8chan, one of those, by someone named Q claiming to be a Trump admin official, who kept talking about "the storm" that was coming that would bring this sex ring down, among other nonsensical promises. The roots are in a conspiracy theory about a sex ring operating out of a DC pizza joint frequented by known Democrat political operatives.

Many Trump officials publicly supported Qanon, including and probably most notably Trump's first Director of National Intelligence, Michael Flynn.

agreed this is nonsense conspiracy theory

Qanon supporters were a sizeable contingent in the planning of, and attempted carrying out of the January 6 insurrection designed to overthrow the democratic process in the United States.

we are now into the left's own conspiracy theories

Had a final thought on this. So what is enough to make someone be labelled Qanon? At an academic level disbelieving any part of the above means you do not believe in Qanon. For a statement to be true all it's propositions must be true. This is how fact checkers operate. It is unfair to apply fact checking standards to everyone else, but not to media.

Now it is true that fact checking can be seen as pedantic, so we could say the leading proposition of Qanon is that a govt official was making anonymous promises. I would definitely say that someone has to believe this part to be called a Qanono believer.

But maintain since the media uses fact checkers, their headlines should be held to the standard of fact checking which is all propositions must be true for the statement to be true. It's good to be mindful of how media plays with language like this.

July 10, 2023

1 hour ago, Mr Terrific said:

Caveziel refers to people who disagree with him as working with Lucifer!
I’m supposed to concede that someone who thinks me, my wife, most of my family and hundreds of friends are in league with the devil as a reasonable guy?

That’s laughable.
This isn’t do I side with Depp or Heard. This is a highly political guy talking about the devil.
He’s a dad! Me, too. I’ve only been married for 18 though.

I’m pushing my point aggressively because that is literally what the guy has asked for. Just read his wiki page and argue that he just wants to talk.

this is great and I'm sorry it got lost in all the other points, but being married for a long time is very good evidence of positive character traits like loyalty, care, and respesct especially when children are involved.

July 10, 2023

1 minute ago, Mr Terrific said:

Oh good grief.
People can make negative statements about me that I can disagree with. I can dislike that.
I can make negative statements about other people.
There is zero contradiction.
Name one person that I’ve unfairly attached to extremism.

I thought when you were criticizing the film for being slacktivist do nothing nonsense you were talking about the people going to see it. But I would much rather hear your input on the outsize view of who abuses children in the home.

Since you work with abused kids, you know it's overwhelmingly mothers which accounts for 70% of abuse and murderes, then step fathers, and the least likely is actually the father. Yet everyone thinks of fathers as being abusive so much that family court slightly favors mothers. What accounts for such a large discrepancy in perception?

I think it is clearly media which I use as evidence that media is important and effective.

July 10, 2023

4 minutes ago, OncomingStorm93 said:

Wikipedia sums it up pretty well:

"The core QAnon conspiracy theory is that a cabal of Satanic, cannibalistic child molesters are operating a global child sex trafficking ring which conspired against former U.S. President Donald Trump during his term in office."

Started on 4chan or 8chan, one of those, by someone named Q claiming to be a Trump admin official, who kept talking about "the storm" that was coming that would bring this sex ring down, among other nonsensical promises. The roots are in a conspiracy theory about a sex ring operating out of a DC pizza joint frequented by known Democrat political operatives.

Many Trump officials publicly supported Qanon, including and probably most notably Trump's first Director of National Intelligence, Michael Flynn. Qanon supporters were a sizeable contingent in the planning of, and attempted carrying out of the January 6 insurrection designed to overthrow the democratic process in the United States.

Now you know. No more plausible deniability. Your welcome.

that a cabal of Satanic, cannibalistic child molesters are operating a global child sex trafficking ring

true. Jeffery Epstein. Anything evil is called satanic by christians so we are splitting hairs whether they actually practice satanism

which conspired against former U.S. President Donald Trump during his term in office."

Started on 4chan or 8chan, one of those, by someone named Q claiming to be a Trump admin official, who kept talking about "the storm" that was coming that would bring this sex ring down, among other nonsensical promises. The roots are in a conspiracy theory about a sex ring operating out of a DC pizza joint frequented by known Democrat political operatives.

Many Trump officials publicly supported Qanon, including and probably most notably Trump's first Director of National Intelligence, Michael Flynn.

agreed this is nonsense conspiracy theory

Qanon supporters were a sizeable contingent in the planning of, and attempted carrying out of the January 6 insurrection designed to overthrow the democratic process in the United States.

we are now into the left's own conspiracy theories

July 10, 2023

12 minutes ago, ChipDerby said:

I'm not going to separate the "art" from the "man" on this one.

Do you watch any movies where the man involved physically hurt someone?

11 minutes ago, RobrtmanAStarWarsReference said:

qanon is inherently a conservative movement lmao

it's inherently anti-govt and conspiritorial. I didn't know that was political. when I was a kid leftists were labeled as conspiracy theorists.

17 minutes ago, Mr Terrific said:

I dislike extremist right wingers and child trafficking at the same time.
You’re making it a ridiculous choice.
You’re making odd personal judgments about me that are false.

3 minutes ago, Mr Terrific said:

I don’t want to insult you, but are you being intentionally obtuse about this?
I would call someone a Nazi or a fascist if I thought they said or did things that fit those definitions. JC can call me or people with my beliefs crazy things. I don’t have to trust him though.

I didn’t bring Q into this and don’t think I’ve mentioned it in this thread.
You continue to make odd and incorrect assumptions about me. Not sure why that is part of this.

You have crossed over into labeling normal people extremists for watching a movie instead of doing something else about trafficking and it smacks of yourself looking for any reason to dislike the movie. You don't think any movies have had wider affect? Didn't Philiadelphia increase HIV research funding? You mention you work with kids. Who overwhelming abuses kids in the home vs who does the public expect the abuser to be? Now who does family court favor? Opposite who is actually like to be the threat right?

how do you think people get such a skewed perception? it's media. media can have social affects, which I would hope you could be happy about a positive one.

"I would call someone a Nazi or a fascist if I thought they said or did things that fit those definitions." As for this your assessment is going to be different from the person you are labeling, and it's ironic b/c exactly what a Christian would say about saying someone was with satan. To them if you aren't Christian you're with satan and every religion does it, if you're not jewish your goyim, if you're not muslim you're an infidel. It's an odd thing to take such great offense to.

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