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    The Marvels | November 10, 2023 | Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter

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    2 hours ago, Valonqar said:

    this is the point. Not every character is meant to be a lead or co-lead. Falcon was effective supporting character and ineffective lead on FATWS. They tried with Hulk as the lead which didn't work out but he became a terrific supporting character. Not everyone should get a solo show or a solo movie or even a co-lead movie/show. There's no shame in being a great supporting character. Look at GOTG. It's full of great supporting characters. Giving solo projects to too many characters is what created fatigue and devalued the brand. 

     

    Okay, so this goes back to what I was saying about folding space-time because they didn't know Ms. Marvel wasn't going to be a hit or that The Marvels was going to flop.  I promise they will not go forward with Ms. Marvel as the lead because they have data now that they didn't then.  

     

    The problem is that you don't know until you try. 

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    The Marvels | November 10, 2023 | Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter

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    2 hours ago, John Marston said:

    They’re trying really hard to make Ms Marvel another Spider-Man and they are failing miserably. In the trailers for this she looks insufferable 

     

    I don't understand this at all.  How exactly do you think they are "trying really hard to make Ms. Marvel another Spider-Man??"   By just existing in this universe and being young or something??  

     

    2 hours ago, Valonqar said:

     

    This. No matter what some people here personally think of the character and actress, such as that they are great, audience is rejecting this character. How many times a property (show, movie) with the same character needs to flop for the message to sink in? Spiderman didn't flop with either PP or MM which shows that the character is popular with audience. OTOH, Ms Marvel show didn't attract new teen girl audience it was supposed to, while the base audience skipped it. Now CM team with this character is tracking worse than any Marvel movie. 

     

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    Yes, you've been saying this for a while(or maybe it was someone else?) but like if you just deleted all characters that were in flops, we wouldn't have the Hulk anymore because he got 2 solo movies that did nothing, but he works pretty great in support. 

     

    You're also trying to compress time and space by saying they shouldn't have put her in this movie because her show flopped either ignoring or forgetting that the show came out after them movie finished filming.

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    Classic Conversation Thread

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    39 minutes ago, Porthos said:

     

     

    I've followed the Astros for a long long time.

     

    I grew up on Nolan Ryan pitching for the 'stros.

    I watched Jeff Bagwell and Craig Biggio in their respective primes.

    There's a long line of candidates, including in this Golden Age of Astros Baseball.

     

    I only have one thing to say to the above tweet:

     

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    First Ballot Hall of Famer.  

     

    Trashcan Gate will be brought up, yes.  Still think Altuve is gonna get in on 1st.  Only question is how many people "penalize" him for it.

     

     

    Biggio was my fave player growing up and I went with my dad to see him get inducted into the HOF, but it's getting harder and harder to deny Altuve the title of greatest Astro lol

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    The Marvels | November 10, 2023 | Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter

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    3 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

    As I pointed out before: that guy does voiceover for literally every trailer for every major blockbuster. People being outraged over him being in one for this was insane. It probably won't even be the last one this year.

     

     

    The problem wasn't that there was a voiceover it how it was implemented that was dumb.  "Get ready for...._____, ________, ______, etc." just reading the giant text that's on the screen like we are all idiots.  

    The Marvels | November 10, 2023 | Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter

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    12 hours ago, M37 said:

    I’ve generally considered the numerical score as a probability that the average person will enjoy said movie (moreso RT than MC, which is still valuable when adjusting for lower scores)

     

    I can't remember which critic it was that I used to read that did this, but he explicitly stated that his star rating was NOT a grade of quality, but rather how much he recommends the movie.

     

    That's kind of how I just look at most ratings now whether or not that's what their intention is, because yeah, pitting two 4 star movies against one another and saying they are 'the same' is foolish.  

    The Marvels | November 10, 2023 | Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter

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    26 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

    Reviews don't mean shit if audience disagrees or simply has no interest in a movie even with glowing reviews. Mario was rotten on RT yet smoked critically raved Spiderverse because more people both dom and OS were interested in animated Mario than animated Spidey. OS in particular didn't really care for such version of Spiderman. But Mario didn't have live action tradition so it was right up everyone's alley in animated form. But if we went with reviews alone, Mario should have bombed and Spideerverse made Barbie numbers. 

     

    Likewise, GOTG Vol 3 had somewhat muted critical reception compared to the first movie (forgot about second one's reception) but audience reception far exceeded critical one. Not that critical one was bad but was more "it's fine" rather than "what a great movie". But audience was in the latter group hence amazing WOM. 

     

    Just saying that reviews don't always save or sink a movie.

     

    You are way over-simplifying how important reviews are. 

     

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but Quantumania presales started off very strong and then died off when the bad reviews came out.  Then on the other hand, GOTG3 started off kinda tepid until the good reviews rolled in.  Then it definitely was up to the audience reception and we know how that went.  Not going to say your wrong about audience reception mattering, just that the baseline start after good or bad reviews really shifts the starting point for that reception.  

     

    We don't have enough data to show it, but just from the universal rejection of Quantumania to the really slow start to GOTG3, the general public for the MCU might be at the 'wait for reviews' phase and not just storming out for everything just because. 

     

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    The Marvels | November 10, 2023 | Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter

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    22 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

     

    I don't think Iman is a star cause her show bombed which is a fact. How can one be a star if their show bombs? Not impossible that one day she will open something (look at Margot Robbie who went from double bombs last year to the biggest movie of 2023, or Cruise who went from the biggest dom hit and second biggest WW hit last year to a bomb this year for a supposed sure thing) but atm she is not a draw cause Marvel fans looked at Ms Marvel previews and her promo materials (interviews) and went "nah I'm fine". Likwise, why would Monica be a draw on a Wanda (and Vision) show? She wasn't set up to be and her character didn't stand out even as a supporting cause Agatha was better/more interesting. I see nothing controversial about stating the obvious since a lot of people here wonder why these 2 were made equal leads with Larson who is in fact a known name/star. 

     

    Point being, blaming Larson for potential/likely drop at the boxoffice when her character name's wasn't even in the title doesn't hold. It's a team movie so team takes credit or blame. Simple.

     

     

    You are focused waaaay too much on who is(or in this case, who isn't) a "STAR."

     

    That shit does not matter at all.  

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    The Marvels | November 10, 2023 | Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter

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    8 hours ago, Bob Train said:

    Will press tour matter for Marvels? I don't think the actors in MCU movies matter at all from a BO standpoint. The character is the draw, not the actor.

     

    I think you are looking at it the wrong way.  Sure, the actors aren't the draw, but there's going to be millions of weirdos out there that don't spend all day on movie forums that has no idea what is coming out until they are watching Fallon(🤢) or whoever and see the cast there with a clip of the movie and think, "Oh, I had no idea there was another MCU movie coming out, that looks good/bad/whatever."

     

    I have mentioned this before because I never looked at it this way, but I can't imagine there's another reason they do all these talk shows, right?  It's not the cast being the focus, it's them promoting the movie.

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    The Marvels | November 10, 2023 | Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter

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    5 minutes ago, Bob Train said:

    Ant-Man and the Wasp did receive a boost though. It did 25% more than the first Ant-Man did.

     

    Spider-Man: Far From Home also received a boost, as it also did 25% more than Homecoming.

     

    The reason why Captain Marvel received a boost greater %-wise than the other 2 is that it was teased in the post-credit scene of Infinity War, and was treated like essential viewing in the marketing of Endgame. The circumstances were different for Captain Marvel than they were for Ant Man 2.

     

    Sure, but pretty much all sequels increased from the originals except for IM2/AoU.   

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    The Marvels | November 10, 2023 | Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter

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    5 hours ago, Willowra said:

    Barbie was the reason why they pushed The Marvels to November. If they thought Barbie wouldn't affect it in August, they would've given it The Haunted Mansion's August 10th date, but they didn't because they knew Barbie's female-driven cultural phenomenon would hurt The Marvels even after 3 weeks. If Taylor's movie becomes a cultural phenomenon, then The Marvels could be affected by it.

     

    Ah, I see you are just making shit up now!

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