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15 minutes ago, Morieris said:
...Huh! I like this.
Strong Gunn Guardians/Squad vibes. I love it. Hopefully it's the first proper cosmic Supes take...
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3 hours ago, filmlover said:
It was giving Dune meets Mad Max meets Cowboys & Aliens if Zack Snyder had made any of those movies to me.
Yeah. This. Haha!
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1 minute ago, Flopped said:
Where is this coming from?
Charlie's SUN number. This thread.
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13 hours ago, WittyUsername said:
Aren’t they doing “advanced” screenings on Wednesday?
Yes. I'm seeing it Wednesday.
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This year the strikes pushing back multiple titles is the obvious culprit.
We've seen with Dune and Godzilla and even Panda that people will still come out for movies. Proper first weekend of May tent pole would've done considerably better than TFG.
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33 minutes ago, excel1 said:
An absolutely enormous part of the EPISODE 1 experience, which everyone forgets, is what it like to live through prerelease build up and hype. The trailer releases were akin a beloved tv series finale. It was sweet. It was a good 75% bigger then DA FORCE AWAKENS and *felt* bigger than ENDGAME, even though ENDGAME numbers def. prove it was most anticipated film ever.
Camped out for those tickets when I was 13. First colossal let down of my life a day later.
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6 minutes ago, emoviefan said:
If we are only counting Leitch Solo movies I would go Atomic Blonde, DP 2, Bullet Train and H& S in that order. Will see where The Fall Guy slots tomorrow. I hope above H&S.
Atomic Blonde
Fall Guy
Bullet Train
Hobbs & Shaw
Deadpool 2
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10 minutes ago, MightyDargon said:
I hope this doesn't sound trollish. But I don't get this. Is this saying the movie will somehow get better scores if it's shown at a festival? Or that reviews at a festival are more "valid" than others? I'm really confused.
The whole vibe of being at festival can sometimes result in a more positive or more negative reaction to a film. It's not abnormal for films received exceeding well or poorly at a festival to have later reactions move closer to the mean.
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14 minutes ago, emoviefan said:
If it's even close to as good as Nice Guys I will be happy.
I wish I could it was... But, I'm all in on Shane Black. Huge fan of his resurgence that started with KKBB. Loved Nice Guys. And, hey, Iron Man 3 is one of my favorite MCU joints. The Predator was rough but I even make excuses for that one!
Fall Guy feels a lot like Drew Pearce who has worked with Shane Black was trying to do his best imitation of 90s Shane Black. This is both a good thing and a bad thing. While watching, given the high budget, I even started wondering why they didn't just hire Shane Black to polish it up or rewrite it. Also made me wonder why it wasn't rated R. Some of the action gags in it would've benefitted from having an R rated punchline that movies like Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Nice Guys, Hot Fuzz, Tropic Thunder really used well. TFG is more on The Other Guys PG13 level but even that one pushed it closer to R than Fall Guy.
All that said, I had a good time with it. Definitely a smile. Heart is absolutely in the right place. Lotta charm. Atomic Blonde even with all its faults is still my favorite by Leitch.
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11 minutes ago, MightyDargon said:
Its Metacritic is 73. Lots of movies have a "good not great" score on Metacritic like that. People on here talked it up like it had Fury Road level raves, so SXSW must have had a very different reaction that the critics who watched it elsewhere.
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-fall-guy/
Note that its audience score is 75. This is also "good not great" range generally (especially since this movie most likely isn't getting review bombed. Compare this to the audience score for the Mario movie:
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-super-mario-bros-movie/
Maybe I miscalculated what the "raves" were but I don't get the sense paying audiences treated this film as some kind of Barbenheimer level thingy.
I remember the Fury Road enthusiasm. It was a giddy, euphoric, overwhelming enthusiasm. Never ever got that sense for Fall Guy. Fall Guy felt more like it's better than expected. Heard Tropic Thunder and Nice Guys comps but said comparisons mentioned it wasn't as good either but still very enjoyable.
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3 minutes ago, AniNate said:
I mean the reviews are right there on Rotten Tomatoes, and yes they were maybe disproportionately enthusiastic compared to the ensuing ones, but the movie still has a decent overall consensus. I don't think it's fair to call it an astroturf just because some people might've stanned it here.
This.
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6 minutes ago, redfirebird2008 said:
I would say Cameron is at the top of the list. But he hasn't been very active the last 20 years. And now he decided to just do a massive cash grab for the rest of his career with the Avatar sequels. I'm sure they will all be well-made, just like the first two movies were well-made. But it feels like a waste of his incredible talent. But it's hard to blame him for taking the massive payday on these sequels. I guess he can pump some of that money into his ocean exploration projects, which is the only thing he truly cares about these days.
Most definitely. Tarantino as well but on different but still impressive plane.
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30 minutes ago, excel1 said:
PIXAR was the IP for their original content, they're obviously unique.
Nolan is essentially an IP because he's built up such a faithful following. He's THE director that makes blockbusters. Oppenheimer was so good it was even more successful than expected. But, similarly to a Pixar film in 2015, not a huge risk. Now, if Nolan made the same Oppenheimer movie and released it when Prestige came out, sure.
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Joker and ItSV/AtSV were absolutely aimed squarely at Millennials in addition to other generations. Not just young Millennials. All Millennials. Oldest Millennials are what right now? 42/43? That's not that old.
As original as Spider-verse feels, I'd say given the filmmakers, The LEGO Movie from a decade+ ago now, was a very similar fresh, fun, meta event. That movie was huge DOM in 2014. Did 260M. Same filmmakers.
Nobody was asking for a Wonka movie in 2005 either. But, Burton and especially Depp were huge they were hired to make it. Not unlike why the new one happened with King and Chalamet being hip at the moment. Theyre a good fit for a new take on Wonka... Just like Burton/Depp in 2005. I see no difference aside Burton/Depp took a much bigger swing with it.
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30 minutes ago, excel1 said:
Joker, Barbie, ATSV, Wonka, NWH, Oppenheimer would be the big examples. All of those were concepts that, in one way or another, were radically, radically different and inherently risky as a result. My litmus test would be "would this film have felt out of place in the summer 2015 line up?". Those are all resounding 'yes'
You'd referenced Gen Z earlier.
Joker was 5 years ago. It was absolutely aimed at Millennials and older not Gen Z.
ItSV was 6 years ago. Aimed at Gen Z and Millennials.
Wonka was easily the least original, most risk averse Wonka movie yet. Super, super safe. Burton also provided an origin take for Wonka which wasn't at all in the Wilder's Wonka.
I don't know what NWH is... No Way Home? I mean, X Men did the same thing before it, no? Regardless, that movie is aimed at everyone Gen Z, Gen Y, Gen X. Not a Gen Z thing.
Oppenheimer is less of a risk than older Nolan summer tent poles.
Summer of 2015? You mean when Fury Road and Inside Out were hits? Wouldn't they fit your criteria of original? Doesn't Jurassic World fit your criteria too of new take on the Jurassic series? That was 2015 too.
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6 minutes ago, excel1 said:
see my post above. Original, outside the box takes on existing IP is still original.
What makes The Batman any more original than Burton's, Nolan's or even Snyder's take on Batman?
What's makes King's take on Wonka any more original than Burton's or Stuart's take? I'd say King's is actually the least original and most risk averse take... Super safe. I liked it though.
What makes Oppenheimer remotely close to as original as things like his own Inception, Interstellar or Tenet?
What makes Guardians 3 any more original than 1 and 2? 1 was the one that broke the mold.
What makes AtsV any more original than ItSV?
Barbie for sure stands out.
I guess my confusion is similarly original takes were already highly successful in the recent and distant past for just about every property you named. I don't think its any different now. It's not like Super Mario wasn't huge last year.
Did Gen X crave originality? But just crave it way, way more? Raimi, Sonnenfeld, Burton, Verhoeven, Cronenberg, Cameron, Gilliam, Miller, Coens, Tarantino, etc. were known names the late 80s, through late 90s. I'd argue they craved it more actually.
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6 minutes ago, redfirebird2008 said:
You listed zero original movies.Shouldn't speak for them but I can only assume they mean a creative, unexpected take on a big IP? That only really applies to Barbie and, I guess AtSV from the titles they listed. But, AtSV is a sequel. I don't think it's necessarily why either was a huge hit either. Otherwise, I'm with you. I don't understand it.
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25 minutes ago, excel1 said:
I have always been a 'glass is half full' person but I truly believe this. Gen Z and tiktokers crave originality above all. This is actually an exciting time because studios are being forced out of the cookie cutter mcdonald's for every one type of approach.
Think of all genius and longstanding success that came out of the creative risks taken in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Feel like we are trending towards a period with that type of consumer demand again. It is a GREAT thing that last years biggest hits - Barbie, Spider-verse, Oppenheimer, Guardians 3, Wonka etc were all 80s or 90s on RT. Maverick, The Batman, Avatar in 2022.
Feel like this all going to pay big dividends in 2 or 3 years from now.
Uh. I'll take your word for it. Not sure a Barbie movie, the 3rd Wonka movie, the 3rd Guardians movie, the 2nd Spider-verse movie, a Super Mario movie or Anoyone But You being a sleeper hit movie screams originality to me though. Or, the 3rd Minions movie (6th Despicable Me thing) that benefitted from Gentle Minions either for that matter.
Is Gen Z obsessed with EEAAO and Poor Things?
What are the movies that have this originality that are benefitting?
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6 minutes ago, AJG said:
Did they just not promote this movie to Black America?
I didn't know Winston Duke was in it until I saw. Probably on me but don't recall seeing him in much of the marketing.
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7 minutes ago, filmlover said:
Twister is the one that really started the "summer movie season begins in early May" trend in 1996. Before that it was typically Memorial Day weekend that was used as the big launchpad.
Yeah. I'll go with for sure. It was the second weekend of May that year but looking back through, it's the obvious starting point for the trend.
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On 5/3/2024 at 11:04 AM, SpiderByte said:
He's mentioned this before about wanting to do just an insanely low budget version. Idk how it'd work tho
I mean, I'd imagine it would feel similar to The Tick series on Prime. Now, I loved that short lived series but there isn't really a wide audience for it.
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11 minutes ago, justnumbers said:
Also. I have some questions about this "Summer Season Start" on the 1st week of May.
Why is this? Who says it? What it means?
Is it Hollywood? The Business?
I don't think 1st weekend of May means anything to audiences. It's not their summer start. It just happens that there's always a big Marvel movie opening this week and that's why audiences rushed out. It's only a big weekend historically because there's a true event movie opening every year.
It doesn't mean anything for audiences regarding a Summer Season start. I think the Summer Season start for audiences is the Memorial Day Weekend or at best the weekend before.
This fictional 1st weekend of May as a big weekend for audiences doesn't exist. It's just a Hollywood insider thing so you're just not going to force a movie like The Fall Guy into starting a early summer season being another action movie. It's just a mid sized movie (with a overblown budget) coming out in a calendar lacking big movies and no momentum.
This actually kinda started with The Mummy. Then of course Spider-man with Tobey Maguire (Sony not Marvel Studios) took it to another level. MI3, Mummy Retirns, Van Helsing also opened the first weekend of May. Marvel Studios/Disney became the big tent pole for that weekend for a long while now but it started before them.
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Kingdom of the Planet Of The Apes | May 10, 2024 | Wes Ball to develop and direct
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Is anyone gonna see Back to Black? There's no overlap with the Strangers audience. IF could pull some families I guess.