JohnnyGossamer

Is anyone gonna see Back to Black? There's no overlap with the Strangers audience. IF could pull some families I guess.

Strong Gunn Guardians/Squad vibes. I love it. Hopefully it's the first proper cosmic Supes take...

Yeah. This. Haha!

Charlie's SUN number. This thread.

Yes. I'm seeing it Wednesday.

This year the strikes pushing back multiple titles is the obvious culprit. We've seen with Dune and Godzilla and even Panda that people will still come out for movies. Proper first weekend of May tent pole would've done considerably better than TFG.

Camped out for those tickets when I was 13. First colossal let down of my life a day later.

Atomic Blonde Fall Guy Bullet Train Hobbs & Shaw Deadpool 2

The whole vibe of being at festival can sometimes result in a more positive or more negative reaction to a film. It's not abnormal for films received exceeding well or poorly at a festival to have later reactions move closer to the mean.

I wish I could it was... But, I'm all in on Shane Black. Huge fan of his resurgence that started with KKBB. Loved Nice Guys. And, hey, Iron Man 3 is one of my favorite MCU joints. The Predator was rough but I even make excuses for that one! Fall Guy feels a lot like Drew Pearce who has worked with Shane Black was trying to do his best imitation of 90s Shane Black. This is both a good thing and a bad thing. While watching, given the high budget, I even started wondering why they didn't just hire Shane Black to polish it up or rewrite it. Also made me wonder why it wasn't rated R. Some of the action gags in it would've benefitted from having an R rated punchline that movies like Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Nice Guys, Hot Fuzz, Tropic Thunder really used well. TFG is more on The Other Guys PG13 level but even that one pushed it closer to R than Fall Guy. All that said, I had a good time with it. Definitely a smile. Heart is absolutely in the right place. Lotta charm. Atomic Blonde even with all its faults is still my favorite by Leitch.

I remember the Fury Road enthusiasm. It was a giddy, euphoric, overwhelming enthusiasm. Never ever got that sense for Fall Guy. Fall Guy felt more like it's better than expected. Heard Tropic Thunder and Nice Guys comps but said comparisons mentioned it wasn't as good either but still very enjoyable.

This.

Most definitely. Tarantino as well but on different but still impressive plane.

Nolan is essentially an IP because he's built up such a faithful following. He's THE director that makes blockbusters. Oppenheimer was so good it was even more successful than expected. But, similarly to a Pixar film in 2015, not a huge risk. Now, if Nolan made the same Oppenheimer movie and released it when Prestige came out, sure.

Joker and ItSV/AtSV were absolutely aimed squarely at Millennials in addition to other generations. Not just young Millennials. All Millennials. Oldest Millennials are what right now? 42/43? That's not that old. As original as Spider-verse feels, I'd say given the filmmakers, The LEGO Movie from a decade+ ago now, was a very similar fresh, fun, meta event. That movie was huge DOM in 2014. Did 260M. Same filmmakers. Nobody was asking for a Wonka movie in 2005 either. But, Burton and especially Depp were huge they were hired to make it. Not unlike why the new one happened with King and Chalamet being hip at the moment. Theyre a good fit for a new take on Wonka... Just like Burton/Depp in 2005. I see no difference aside Burton/Depp took a much bigger swing with it.

You'd referenced Gen Z earlier. Joker was 5 years ago. It was absolutely aimed at Millennials and older not Gen Z. ItSV was 6 years ago. Aimed at Gen Z and Millennials. Wonka was easily the least original, most risk averse Wonka movie yet. Super, super safe. Burton also provided an origin take for Wonka which wasn't at all in the Wilder's Wonka. I don't know what NWH is... No Way Home? I mean, X Men did the same thing before it, no? Regardless, that movie is aimed at everyone Gen Z, Gen Y, Gen X. Not a Gen Z thing. Oppenheimer is less of a risk than older Nolan summer tent poles. Summer of 2015? You mean when Fury Road and Inside Out were hits? Wouldn't they fit your criteria of original? Doesn't Jurassic World fit your criteria too of new take on the Jurassic series? That was 2015 too.

What makes The Batman any more original than Burton's, Nolan's or even Snyder's take on Batman? What's makes King's take on Wonka any more original than Burton's or Stuart's take? I'd say King's is actually the least original and most risk averse take... Super safe. I liked it though. What makes Oppenheimer remotely close to as original as things like his own Inception, Interstellar or Tenet? What makes Guardians 3 any more original than 1 and 2? 1 was the one that broke the mold. What makes AtsV any more original than ItSV? Barbie for sure stands out. I guess my confusion is similarly original takes were already highly successful in the recent and distant past for just about every property you named. I don't think its any different now. It's not like Super Mario wasn't huge last year. Did Gen X crave originality? But just crave it way, way more? Raimi, Sonnenfeld, Burton, Verhoeven, Cronenberg, Cameron, Gilliam, Miller, Coens, Tarantino, etc. were known names the late 80s, through late 90s. I'd argue they craved it more actually.

Shouldn't speak for them but I can only assume they mean a creative, unexpected take on a big IP? That only really applies to Barbie and, I guess AtSV from the titles they listed. But, AtSV is a sequel. I don't think it's necessarily why either was a huge hit either. Otherwise, I'm with you. I don't understand it.

Uh. I'll take your word for it. Not sure a Barbie movie, the 3rd Wonka movie, the 3rd Guardians movie, the 2nd Spider-verse movie, a Super Mario movie or Anoyone But You being a sleeper hit movie screams originality to me though. Or, the 3rd Minions movie (6th Despicable Me thing) that benefitted from Gentle Minions either for that matter. Is Gen Z obsessed with EEAAO and Poor Things? What are the movies that have this originality that are benefitting?

I didn't know Winston Duke was in it until I saw. Probably on me but don't recall seeing him in much of the marketing.

Yeah. I'll go with for sure. It was the second weekend of May that year but looking back through, it's the obvious starting point for the trend.

I mean, I'd imagine it would feel similar to The Tick series on Prime. Now, I loved that short lived series but there isn't really a wide audience for it.

This actually kinda started with The Mummy. Then of course Spider-man with Tobey Maguire (Sony not Marvel Studios) took it to another level. MI3, Mummy Retirns, Van Helsing also opened the first weekend of May. Marvel Studios/Disney became the big tent pole for that weekend for a long while now but it started before them.