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How can dumb craps like TMNT make money? people are the cruelest animal
If you look at how much the original Turtles movies grossed with inflation. Well it would answer your question. It's a popular franchise that kids like and who's parents likely loved as kids themselves. You put the Turtles in a movie trying to stop bad guys, with some big action and explosions. Well that is all they needed for a hit.
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I just don't see that. It certainly didn't kill Wolverine and that leak made national news headlines.
It was a case where the first film was a bill of goods that burned people. And as awesome as the sequel was (I can't fathom how anyone could hate it, frankly), it was too little, too late and nothing from this one suggested it was anything good/different. Stallone has had this amazing history of burning audiences with bad movie after bad movie, then slowly build goodwill back up with good ones and once he gets them back, he burns them again.
This, it happens all the time in Oscar season. For example Lone Survivor had a screener leaked online like two weeks before the movie got a wide release. Yet it still did big domestic numbers. Same thing happen with Taken, Gran Torino and Zero Dark Thirty. Piracy isn't as big or wide spread by people in the US like it is internationally. Majority of people who download movies in the US weren't gonna pay to see it anyways. Which is why the previous movies still had big domestic openings despite leaked copies being online. Expendables 3 just wasn't going to do well domestically.
Expendables 2 already opened at what 6-7 million less then the first one and did 17 million less domestically. So there likely would have been a 10 million opening drop off anyways. So even If it doesn't get leaked it probably opens at 18-19 million, instead of the 16 million range. But if it wasn't leaked it would have done pretty big international numbers still and after the leak and how much bigger piracy is internationally. Well that's very much in doubt now. Also keep in mind Wolverine was saved a little by not having finished special effects and stuff. Which made the workprint tough to enjoy in parts. So a lot of people worldwide might have skipped watching the workprint and saw it in the theater for the reason. Expendables 3 doesn't have that going for it, which is why it was probably hurt a little domestically and might get hurt a lot internationally.
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I still think the PG-13 rating is what really did it. Remember the fan outcry when EX2 was in talks as a possible PG-13 for awhile? I do.
I don't think the rating mattered at all. The leak hurt, but it would have flopped without the leak too. The franchise lost it's specialness and a fresh concept turned into a overdone one(three of these movies in five years?). This movie didn't bring anything new to the table and even the action guys in it been over exposed. When the first two movies came out there wasn't a lot of Sly or Arnold movies in recent years. Or did people see guys like Dolph, Van Damme or Chuck Norris on the big screen for a long time. You include Sly,Arnold and Bruce In scenes together and it was exciting. While since Expendables 2, Sly has done three movies, Arnold 3 movies, Statham 2 movies and new additions like Ford did three movies last year. While Mel Gibson was just a villain in a movie 10 months ago. So mix all that together, with same old plot and formula with the big names having extended cameos. Along with the leak and tougher competition for this movie then Expendables 1 and 2 had. Well it's not a surprise to see it doing so poorly.
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Is the expendabelles project a serious thing or not ?
It was a serious thing. I'm not sure it will happen now after Expendables 3 flopped so bad though. Usually you don't see spinoffs when a franchise is fading.
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I've spoken to three different sets of parents who took their kids to see Turtles. They said they liked it fine enough but their kids loved it. I know this is hard for some to grasp.
Exactly it's a movie made for kids. Of course adults who are comparing it to movies that's made for adults and teens. Well it's not going to be as well liked in comparison. But kids are really enjoying it and compared to most movies adults bring their kids too. Well I think they're enjoying this enough, even if it's only for nostalgia reasons.
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So TMNT is winning again? damn americans like their garbage
I'm not surprised at all. Most parents taking their kids to see this movie grew up on Turtles(I was a huge fan 20 plus years ago as a kid for example). While it's very popular with kids according to my wife who runs a daycare. The film might not be a masterpiece, but it's entertaining enough for adults and most kids like it. So it's not going to just tank like many of you guys want. It's a kids film and they will find It entertaining. While it has a nostalgia appeal for adults. It didn't have to be a great movie for this franchise to sell, just appealing enough.
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Rambo 5? Have you seen how Rambo 4 did?
It grossed like 42 million domestic and around 110 million worldwide. Not great numbers by any standards, but sold quite well on dvd/Blu-ray and the movie only cost 50 million. It's still a known franchise, that has worldwide appeal. So if it can be made for 40 million or so, I don't see why Lionsgate wouldn't take a chance with it. How many 30-40 million dollar run of the mill Jason Statham movies have they done that barely grossed a little over 20 million or less. Plus Sly recently was talking like the movie was going to happen. With Rambo taking on drug cartels in Mexico, while he tries to rescue a friends daughter. Or something like that. With it possibly shooting later this year or early next year. Who knows what will happen now with Expendables 3 flopping.
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Yeah Expendables 3 flopped pretty bad, it will probably end up with Need for Speed numbers domestic and internationally. I guess there won't be a Expendables 4 anytime soon.. Which is good news IMO, I love the actors in the film. But the films are same old thing and same old formula every time out. If they aren't gonna change things up or bring anything new to the table. Well it's time for the Sly and the rest of the cast to move on. Sly just better hope that, that Lionsgate doesn't decide to kill Rambo 5 after these results.
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oh then if it bombed it won't be such a problem for lionsgate..
Well they spent like 40 million for the rights to US and UK. Then all the movie to market it. If this movie opens at 18 million, it will be lucky to make 50 million. So they will lose a decent amount of money. The producers likely already made the budget back in presales, so they won't lose on this. But the distributors won't be happy and won't draw much interest for Expendables 4 anytime soon. Or the terrible spin-off they wanna do Expendabellas.
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lionsgate will sell the international rights and make back the production budget immediately..just like what they did with Divergent
They don't own them though. Millennium funds the movie and own the rights. Lionsgate rights are just for US and UK as distributor for the movie, because they bought those rights. Same thing goes with the Olympus/London Has Fallen movies. Millennium owned the rights and the first film was distributed by Film District and now the second movie is going to be distributed by Lionsgate.
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I thought China was one of the biggest hubs for piracy on earth.
Yeah Expendables 4 is far from a given. First of all it will be a flop for Lionsgate, who doesn't get most of the international profits outside of the UK. While the leak is going to hurt the international numbers much more then US.
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Looks like Turtles/Guardians 1/2 spots and all the new movies are struggling.
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Well, ScaJo is about 3 times as pretty as Stallone and Schwarzenegger.
Concept and freshness sells. ScaJo being hot and bad ass getting revenge as a lead is a new concept and still fresh. People liked her doing it in Iron Man 2, Avengers and Captain America 2. So Lucy concept interested them. Obviously if ScaJo is still doing that 10 years from now it's not going to sell. Which is the problem Stallone and Schwarzenegger are having right now. The first Expendables was a big hit, because it was a fresh concept. Now people have gotten sick of it by a third movie in five years. Especially when they did 80 throw-back stuff like Bullet to the Head, Last Stand and Escape Plan between Expendables sequels. For Arnold/Sly it's franchise sequels going forward. Or they need to get themselves in modern CGI blockbusters(even as co-leads or supporting parts) or new interesting concept movies. Doing throwback movies at a old age isn't working anymore.
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What did ex2 make?
The first Expendables did 870,000 and Expendables 2 did 685,000. The big difference here, those were just for midnight shows. While this movie opened at 7 and had at least 3 or 4 showings in most theaters. With the movie showing on over 2,000 screens last night.
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I'd have MI5 in my top 10. But I have a feeling it will match MI4 209 million having to go up against Star Wars.
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1.Avengers Age of Ultron-605 million
2.Star Wars Episode 7-525 million
3.Mockingjay Part 2-450 million
4.Minions-310 million
5.Jurassic World-275 million
6.Bond 24-265 million
7.Fast and Furious 7-240 million
8.Inside Out-225 million
9.Terminator Genisys-215 million(Remember T2 and T3 did 396 and 202 million with inflation.Terminator is a popular brand. Like Godzilla, Apes and etc...)
10.Good Dinosaur-208 million.
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it's not like his recent films have been panned or anything. Far from it
Yeah but I American audiences are getting sick of him. He's been around so long and been making mostly action/sci-fi/thriller movies since 2000. Unless you give american's something new, well they get sick of you afer a while. Plus it doesn't help he's not really beloved by the public due to his crazy antics. But this is stuff has happen to John Travolta, Bruce Willis, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone,Nicolas Cage and others. Audiences all got sick of them after a while, since they didn't give them anything new over a long period of time. Cruise plays the same type of characters in all of these movies and ends up in some type of action type setting. So people are starting to be become bored with him, like they did for the actors above. The only reason why he's probably still going as strong as he is. Well is because, his movies are usually liked overall. While those other actors listed above made a lot of crap movies. So things fell apart faster for them, then it will Cruise.
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Oblivion didn't have to deal with being that movie that...Looks like Oblivion.
Yeah I think people are saying didn't Cruise make a movie like that already. So that along with the competition is why a lot of people are skipping it. Despite good reviews and feedback.
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I can't understand how EoT is doing worse than Oblivion. By all accounts EoT is a superior movie with a better release date.
Competition and Cruise making two sci-fi, futurist movies back to back hurt as well. But most importantly Oblivion didn't have a movie like Fault of Our Stars out, or big movies people were still seeing like Maleficent and X-Men Days of Future Past. I don't expect it have much legs either, with 22 Jump Street coming out next week. I liked Edge of Tomorrow a lot better then Oblivion. But good movies flop sometimes too, not all bad movies do. So this happens.......
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I say 25 million opening weekend and 72-75 million domestic. There's just too much competition and not enough interest. Despite there being strong word of mouth from moviegoers and critics.
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Smart move by Butler to drop out of the movie.
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Escape Plan was only big OS because it combined Schwarzenegger and Stallone. Sabotage is looking at 30M WW with luck.
Last Stand did 48 million worldwide and Sabotage will gross 11-12 in the US like Last Stand did. Plus Last Stand western feel/tone hurt it in a lot of foreign countries. Sabotage serious gritty tone and violence will help sell it in Japan, China and other places in the middle east. I'll still be surprised if Sabotage doesn't do at least 50 million worldwide and it could easily do more then that. Sure it's not going to do what the Escape Plan did. But it's not going to do some small 18-19 million number either, that's just silly. Arnold is still a bigger star in many foreign countries then current A-list stars in Hollywood are.
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No argument here.I think Arnold in his famous franchises can still sell. And I don't mean triplets.Otherwise, Arnold's caree in big budget films needs to shift gears to supporting if he hopes to stick around. There's real opportunity there Arnold, don't miss it.
I agree to a point. I don't think Arnold should do small supporting roles unless it's a Expendables movie. He still needs to be in the film long enough to make a impact. So I think he still needs to be the second or third most important character. For example say Arnold got Idris Ebla role in Pacific Rim and did that instead of Last Stand. Well Arnold would just be seen in a big worldwide hit and who knows it might have done a little better with his name attached. Because it's Arnold appearing in a big sci-fi movie again, but one they have never seen him in before. But that's my point if Arnold not doing sequels, he needs to get himself in roles and big movies like that. Even if he has to go Jonah Hill and accept 50,000 paycheck to get himself casted in the movie. Arnold net worth is something like 400,000 million dollars. Last thing he should be worried about at this stage of his career. Is getting a solid 8-10 million dollar upfront paycheck and being a main "lead" in a movie. Especially if those paychecks and lead roles are only offered in B-movies.
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This sounds like a terrible idea lol. The Rock is attached to so many movies right now. It will be interesting to see how many of them actually happen.