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As I said, Bravest had no real buzz outside of that high rating score. It didn't tap into the same audience as Operation Red Sea or Operation Mekong and it's not as good as those movies. They made a big mistake with the director. Tony Chan is not Dante Lam.
Happy to see Ne Zha doing well. I hope more Chinese animations can be successful.
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4 hours ago, Gavin Feng said:
won't hit $400M.
I agree with Gavin
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4 hours ago, MrGlass2 said:
Well it's the opposite, Statham's status in Hollywood has risen greatly the last few years, thanks mostly to F&F. Long gone are the days of direct-to-DVD cheap action movies for him. The Meg could be the start of a solo career in bigger films and not just an anomaly.
Also The Rock is pretty much the biggest movie star in the world at the moment so there is no shame in Statham being a less bankable actor (for now!).
I agree his status has risen, but that doesn't mean his cheaper action movie days are over. Let's not forget he is the wrong side of 50, there's not many action stars that become more bankable over that age.
I agree that it's no shame and I like Statham. To keep it on topic, I'd like to see him in some more Chinese co productions and get that consistency in China as a leading man that I mentioned he is lacking. They are already setting up Meg 2, so it will be interesting to see if that increases from the first.
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1 hour ago, Minnale101 said:
Isn’t it rated R ?
The potential Chinese release version won't be the same as the R rated version. Look at Django or Deadpool 2 for examples of R rated movies that were edited to pass Chinese censors.
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7 minutes ago, Firepower said:
The Rock has much more big budget solo movies, that's not consistency, that's quantity, so comparison is not fair. How many big budget solo movies did Statham have for the last decade? Looks like only The Meg, the rest are F&F movies, Spy and lots of mid-budget B-movies, mostly without proper release/marketing.
But all of that is because Status is not as big a star as The Rock,so he doesn't get the big budget movies or as many solo headlining movies.
Unfortunately Hollywood has already decided that Status is not bankable enough to get big budget solo roles, so unless a Chinese company decides to finance one for him to tap in to this supposed big Chinese fanbase we may never get a fair comparison between him and The Rock.
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22 hours ago, Firepower said:
Do you seriously compare 30 mln B-movie with both 200 mln blockbuster and F&F spin-off?! The fact that M:R made 50+ mln in China actually means that Statham really has big fanbase in China, this kind of movie wouldn't have made this much without him, not even close. And The Meg wouldn't have grossed 150+ mln without him too, the shark alone can't gross this much.
Jeez, are you serious?! Do you realize that you compare grosses of B-movie with blockbusters? If you put The Rock in Lionsgate B-movie, it won't gross 100+ mln there, not even half of that. Jumanji, big appealing blockbuster with almost 1 bln gross worlwide, did just 27 mln more than Lionsgate B-movie with Statham and 4 times less budget in China, so 50 mln gross for a movie like M:R is actually impressive. The Meg is basically the only Statham movie you can compare with The Rock's in terms of budget, appeal and marketing.
Unfortunately these are the only movies we have to compare them on. We don't know what Meg would have made without him or without Li Bing Bing or if it starred The Rock instead. That is all guess work.
As this is a box office discussion site, based on their recent box office, The Rock has more consistency and has earned more money in solo movies in China than Statham. That is irrefutable.
Based on those statistics in my opinion The Rock is a bigger box office star in China.
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There are so many things to unpack from this conversation. But it's an important discussion to have.
23 minutes ago, justvision said:I am a realist, or at best cautious optimist. It is a fact that Disney can't bypass CCP's censorship authority to get Shang-Chi released in China. And Disney will make sure that Shang-Chi would not be seen as intrusive, preachy or racist.
Also my take is Tony Leung's character Manchuria would have major subversion. I can envisage him to be like Severus Snape in HP.
And the most important issue in my view is that they should not portray Shang-Chi, a Western country born Chinese to be a superior, condescending, preachy character over those native Chinese characters.
I agree about the portrayal but I don't see how he can be a preachy character. All the marvel origin movies follow a simple formula, it's just going to be him using his powers for the first time and defeating a bad guy.
Then overall tone needs to avoid any political messages but I'm sure Disney are going to be so soft with it, I can't even see them touching the colonialism type subject like Black Panther did.
17 minutes ago, VenomXXR said:I think it’ll do well outside of China. It will have a similar draw as Black Panther did (although to a lesser extent) and maybe on par with Captain Marvel. Personally, I believe it will be the highest grossing Phase 4 film both domestically and worldwide (assuming the Chinese people love it and don't reject it).
I think it's less than Black Panther outside China, but an increase on it inside China so it will even out. I think around Black Panther ww total would still be a big success for a basically unknown hero for most audiences im 2019.
11 minutes ago, TigerPaw said:Plus some are upset about Awkwafina’s heritage as she has Korean blood and is not Chinese. They are saying that Marvel and Disney executives cannot even tell a Korean from a Chinese and think all Asians are the same.
most comments/posts are negative... asking for boycott. Tony Leung has it worst imo as he is the only guy that the people in China knows, plus he is playing the actual controversial character - Mandarin. His Wife - Carina Lau, arguable as famous as him, posted a weibo to support his casting yesterday and top comments are from people who nicely urge her to convince her Husband to not take the role.
Well this goes back to the original discussion about the main character's heritage. At soms point Disney need to a draw a line about how far they are willing to go to satisfy this kind of criticism. Are we really going to have actors only being able to play characters who share the same blood in every movie? Luckily I still think this criticism comes from a vocal minority, especially when it comes to supporting characters.
16 minutes ago, ymblcza said:Some asked why Disney didn't choose an ugly actor for Captain America, or Iron Man？Many Chinese, if not most, are "racist" on people's, especially women's looking...
I mean, they're not acutally racist, but do care much more on people's appearance and stature.
It's really a lose lose situation. If they cast someone with bigger eyes or more "western" looking, then they would get criticised for that too. That's why it's just a silly discussion road down to even go down .
Let's just see how well all the actors play their parts, that's the most important thing in my eyes!
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I think all of these social media comments need to be taken with a pinch of salt. As the first Chinese superhero in the MCU it was always going to attract praise and criticism. When you add in nationalistic views from some people, it just creates a different angle to other casting arguments /discussions.
In a way it's good that it's creating a lot of buzz in China or at least people are talking about it. The worry is that I haven't seen much talk of it outside China since the announcement. I want Shang Qi to be a world wide success, so hopefully Marvel also focus on attracting the audience outside China too.
23 minutes ago, ymblcza said:Besides that background of Mandarin & Fu Manchu, many people also think that the mediocre looks (including small eyes, etc) of both actor Liu Simu and actress Awkwafina is a stereotype and racism on Chinese.
That's the most pointless criticism I've read. Whoever said that is not even worth listening to.
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13 minutes ago, Gavin Feng said:
I think one of the main reasons people don't go to cinema for him is that he seldom have A-level production. Fighting with My Family was scheduled to open on July 19th, but few people really knew about it even this have The Rock, and the distributor pushed it back.
Yes, I agree but that's why he is a B movie king.
Fighting with my family is not relevant because The Rock just has a cameo in that, he produced the movie but he's not the star.
I still think if we go by official box office The Rock is a bigger star in China right now. We can't base their star power of pirated movies. San Andreas, Rampage, Skyscraper, Jumanji are all real signs compared to The Mechanic Resurrection and Meg.
BUT I agree Statham will help, just not a big enough impact to reach 200.
16 minutes ago, TigerPaw said:Great summary for those who are unaware...
Anyway..Tony Leung is getting flamed extremely badly. Just weibo his name and almost everyone is scolding him and saying they will boycott this movie and his future movies.
I have heard that Kevin Feige called a few big Chinese stars for the role but some apparently turned it down because of the sensitivity... I think Tony Leung took it because he did not expect such repercussions or is not sure if the background; I mean I honestly don’t think he was Marvel’s first choice as Leung’s English and vocabulary is very limited.
While Chinese netizens are loud, their ‘boycott’ may not really translate to actual diminishing returns at the box office.
7 minutes ago, firedeep said:Wow. This feels like Marvel's first big mis step in China since their new cinematic universe. I still don't like all these online reactions when we don't know what they are going to do with the character. They are probably trying to redefine it and empower the character for a new generation.
Of course we don't know if it will hurt box office long term, these negative articles are damaging short term for a new superhero franchise.
I'm really curious how Marvel will react.
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2 minutes ago, Gavin Feng said:
Statham is not that way. His works of pirates have the widest dissemination in Chinese social media. He is known as The King of B-movie.
Yes exactly. People pirate his movies a lot, it doesn't mean they support him in the cinema. Look at Mechanic Resurrection.
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14 minutes ago, firedeep said:
Maybe not in China where Statham arguably has a bigger fanbase.
I'm only talking about in China. Rock is much more consistent in China than Statham and has had several more hit movies over recent years.
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59 minutes ago, firedeep said:
But maybe Jason S can? there is chance for 200.
Maybe a low chance but Statham is even less of a star than The Rock. Meg was built around the shark as the star, people weren't turning up for a Statham movie. Even then it couldn't break 200 and that had a famous Chinese co lead in Li Bing Bing.
Mechanic Resurrection is a good example of his drawing power in China by himself with a similar kind of movie to Hobbs Shaw. I think he and The Rock's fanbases overlap a lot too so I don't see him bringing much extra to it.
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1 hour ago, cannastop said:
You realize Chinese animation has done great at the box office before, right?
It can still do great without getting close to Zootopia, which is what my post was about.
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17 minutes ago, KP1025 said:
I'm thinking the same. Maybe around $150 million like Rampage and Skyscraper.
Yes, the Fast & Furious brand name will help but it still needs the movie to be good or at least likeable enough for the Fast & Furious fanbase.
I think around 150 would be a good result to be happy with.
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5 hours ago, lorddemaxus said:
Detective Pikachu, Godzilla KoTM, and now The Lion King were all predicted to be huge 200 mil+ hits in China but made a bit more than 100 mil. I have a feeling Hobbs and Shaw will follow suit.
I agree with your feeling. Rock can't carry this spin off movie to a 200+ hit in China imo.
Pikachu should never have been predicted that high either, Pikachu is a cute character in China but the Pokemon brand is not that strong as a whole.
Godzilla was a disappointment, I expected more from it too, but it squeezed out an ok run in the end. TLK is following the pattern of the remakes so not that surprising.
I don't think Ne Zha is going to get close to Zootopia either. It will have bigger drops than people expect. Maybe some families want to see a Chinese themed animation right now but it's not going to grab the kid audience long term and doesn't have much appeal outside that. Just my opinion.
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27 minutes ago, BoxOfficeZ said:
Gotta chase that Chinese market money, can't risk offending Winnie the Pooh. 🤨
Also Tencent is one of the producers on the movie so figures.
Comments under that twitter post also point out that the first movie’s patches were from his dad's tours and the new patches are his own and represent his own experiences as a pilot, so it makes complete sense regardless of any political reason.
16 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:That's a really good trailer, and I say that as someone with zero attachment/nostalgia for the original. I'm hyped. Of course, then I remember Miles Teller is in this and the good feeling's gone. Good on Paramount for hiding him so far.
I am also not excited about his involvement but it looks to be so focused on Maverick that I think he won't be able to ruin it for me.
However, he's not hidden completely in the trailer , you can see him singing at the piano during the bar scene and a brief shot of him having an argument with someone.
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2 minutes ago, Alli said:
Reminder that The Mummy was based on a successful series too and it opened with 31M.
It's sad how Cruise is chasing all these franchises in hopes of a hit. It shows desperation and the public feels it. The more he tries, the more he fails
The Mummy was Cruise basically taking over someone else's franchise and giving it a completely different tone.
Top Gun is Cruise returning to one of his own most popular movies and biggest box office hits.
Completely different situations. You are being disingenuous comparing apples to oranges.
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21 minutes ago, Slambros said:
Good luck pulling in the Asian markets with a film like Top Gun: Maverick. It's a film that is fairly obviously aimed at an American audience and will need to speak to the American audience to succeed.
I agree that the American market is important but I think it will still translate well overseas and foreign markets are important to all Cruise movies. I think it will do well worldwide.
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8 hours ago, Charlie Jatinder said:
idk, this come to me as rude.
of course @Gavin Feng personal view matter when it come to China. he is no layman, he is one of the three box office analyst from China which I see on the internet, perhaps most famous, since Olive has kept himself low key.
Sorry if you feel this way but why is it rude to ask someone for more something to back up an opinion? I never said his personal view didn't matter, I asked for more sources to support that view.
Also seeing the way someone who is a box office analyst comes to a decision would be great information for other people.
That's why we all here to study box office and discuss it.
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Fantastic trailer for fans of the original. Online attention is even better than I hoped. I think the next trailer should step away from that a bit and show more of the plot. Miles Teller apparently has a pretty crucial role but this didn't touch that at all.
12 hours ago, Jonwo said:Looks decent but I do think it may struggle box office wise especially if there is no romance in the film.
That's what Jennifer Connelly is there for ;)
7 hours ago, Mekanos said:I'm 28 and have zero nostalgia for Top Gun. Really good trailer though.
Not sure what to predict for box office. This will skew hardcore to 40s and over. OG Top Gun was a big hit, adjusted it's around 430M DOM.
Yes, it will be interesting to see if they can pull in a younger audience. Cruise does struggle a little outside of the MI series recently, even with solid projects. But with the stunts and big promotion, this could get a real must see vibe, similar to what the posters for MI Ghost Protocol did with the Burj Khalifa.
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2 minutes ago, Gavin Feng said:
Because I already saw it.
It's other Operation Red Sea.
Ok, I understand, but that's just your personal review then, are there any tangible signs you've seen that point to it being such a box office hit?
And do you have any prediction box office wise?
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On 7/16/2019 at 1:05 AM, Alexdube said:
I'll give you my take. With Arnold Linda and Cameron's name together you got a good nostalgia factor going on. The only question mark is John Connor. They made such a big deal out of him in 1 & 2 and now he's just sort of gone? I haven't tried to find the leaks so I don't know what they are going for, but it's a shame what happened with Furlong.
They need a better trailer too. I've seen Deadpool and I know Miller can direct a good action scene, I'm sure there's better stuff in there to show. After the mixed reaction they received on the first one, they'll want to impress at the next Comic-Con. And please show more than 1 second of Arnold, this guy can always restore a bit of goodwill to the franchise. Cameron didn't want to get involved if they didn't bring back Arnold and I think he was right about that, they will need him.
If you look at other franchises that aren't doing well lately (MIB, X-Men for example), they didn't bring back the actors people care about. Who do you want to see in an X-Men movie? Hugh Jackman, not there. Who do you want to see in a MIB movie? Tommy and Will Smith, both not there. Genisys didn't do incredible, but still did better than those other 2 because they at least had Arnie.
And I like what Cameron said about making it a tight more streamlined thriller rather than a grandiose story that goes all over the place a la Genisys. That can help recapture the feeling of the earlier movies.
Last thing, they won't have as many competition as those other movies that failed. So yeah, 100m domestic is definitely in play, as long as they play their cards right.
I think you make a lot of excellent points.
My worry is that Arnold was in Genisys and couldn't help it break 100 dom. Now he's even older and possibly will have a smaller role in this one.
Also, the fact he was in Genisys and it still wasn't well received by the audience may have ruined some of their faith that his involvement is a sign of it being worth seeing. Same can be said of Cameron considering his support of Genisys.
If Arnold wasn't in Genisys and was coming back for this one, I'd be much more excited and positive about him making a big impact on the box office. But unfortunately I think there's only so many times you can go to the well.
I would love to be proven wrong though. I think lack of strong competition is important too and an improvement with marketing can help, as you suggest.
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Nothing is certain, swearing off having children isn't a guarantee of being a positive step long term. Maybe the kid that someone has will be the one to make a discovery that saves the planet or a realistic way to reach a different habitable one.
Also, most importantly, they can experience the beautiful world Cameron has created in Avatar and help contribute to the series breaking box office records in the future!
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1 hour ago, Gavin Feng said:
The Bravest on Aug.1 will be the biggest winner of this summer.
What makes you so confident? I know these kind of stories can appeal to a certain audience but I'm just curious as I haven't seen much hype about this movie online and I don't see it appealing to families or younger people that much.
I mean, they're not acutally racist, but do care much more on people's appearance and stature.
China Box Office Thread | Oppenheimer-August 30
in China At The Box Office
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It's not a girl flick. It's a sci fi movie but the lead star is Lu Han, former kpop star, who has a large female fan base. The die hard fans of his are supporting it but it's not really the type of movie they want to see him in.
Unfortunately it's a pretty bad movie (only slightly better than an original Syfy channel movie imo) so it can't grab the sci fi fans either so that explains the frontloading.