Biph Shmata
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2 minutes ago, Harpospoke said:
Kinda funny....Titanic faced some of the same mocking. It too faced going way over budget and last minute reshoots. Like GWTW, many were predicting failure. I think I'll keep that in mind for big budget movies which look to be burdened with problems. Can't really tell until you see it.
So that's it. I always wondered why it got attacked so often. I put it right up there with Casablanca and Citizen Kane. Easily one of the best movies ever made.
Some people really think that's what GWTW is about? I guess it makes sense, we live in a time when every southerner of that era is portrayed as a raving racist and every northerner is portrayed as a good hearted crusader for equality. In "movie reality" it gets kinda humorous as northerners suddenly transform into racists again when sports teams start having black players in the 20th century. I wonder what Bill Russell thinks when he sees a civil war era movie's portrayal of northern white people? That's gotta be eye-rolling to him.
GWTW is a part of the Civil War racist revisionism that began to occur in the U.S. in the early 20th century, a revisionism that downplayed the importance of slavery as a cause of the war. It's certainly not the most egregious example of that in film, Birth of a Nation holds that title, but the book and to a lesser extant the movie pushed the revisionist agenda.
It's a well made, technically brilliant film, the same could be said of both Birth of A Nation and Triumph of the Will. Those 2 films are abhorrent whereas I find GWTW merely distasteful, so it has that going for it.
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21 minutes ago, #ED said:
Michael Bay confirmed for Transformers 5. (Directing)
Why?
I'm fine with Bay sticking with Transformers and TMNT, I'd be far more worried if he got involved with a property that I cared about.
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There is no movie I want to be overtaken more than GWTW by any movie, even McG's Thundercats a Michael Bay production. It sucks nothing ever will.
I have a low tolerance for Civil War revisionism.
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5 minutes ago, DamienRoc said:
They won't do that. It would be a horrible business decision. While studios are willing to use some tricks to get some milestones, they generally don't unless it's within a few million. Any more than that, and it's not worth the cost.
Note that Furious 7 didn't get pushed ahead of Avengers worldwide, despite coming within $5m.
It's not the same thing. $1 billion domestically is a BFD, if this movie or that movie is 4th or 5th place is not. Plus Star Wars isn't dependent on the movie alone for it's cash flow,it's estimated to have made $3 billion in merch sales alone in 2015, $50 million is about how much more AOU cost to make than TFA.
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"Settle down, Francis" is from the 1981 Bill Murray and Harold Ramis comedy classic Stripes.
I don't view the fudging thing as that serious, it's at least half joking, like rooting for your favorite sports team to benefit from a bad call by the ref.
Yes, I think corporations and the people that run them are hyper-competitive and Disney won't blink twice about spending $50 million to be the first movie to hit $1 billion domestic.
TFA much more than paid for it's budget with licensing and merch before it even opened . It's made plenty of money for Disney with a lot more to come.
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22 minutes ago, terrestrial said:
Could you please stop using 'fudging'... It VERY rarely happens, in recent years probably ONCE. And never for the end-result.
Settle down, Francis. My point was that Disney will do what it takes get to $1 billion that means donations to send a Boy & Girls clubs to see TFA, wining and dining to get a BP nomination, etc etc. The cache of having the first movie to do that domestically is enough for Disney to make a real push for it. Which is why I think $950 million means a billion.
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How much would a BP Oscar nod bump it's numbers or is it too big for that to have much of an effect?
FTR I expect TFA, MMFR, IO and one of Creed or SOC to all get BP nods. They have up to 10 slots for BP and are putting on a TV show engaging the masses is a good idea.
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5 minutes ago, mikeymichael said:
What is the chance that there is a grassroots movement among SW diehards to keep buying tickets to push this thing over 1B if it looks like it might fall short? Cause it looks like it might.
I think there is a good chance Disney will buy $50 million in tickets to give to orphans to get it over $1 billion, they haven't shown much interest in fudging numbers for milestones, but that's one i'm sure they want.
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There is one way to do a relatively early check of the impact and lasting power of the movie. Count the number of little girls that knock on your door for Halloween dressed as Rey, I'm betting that number will be pretty large.
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$23.5 million because God is a Jedi.
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5 minutes ago, The Futurist said:
How many sequels have received BP noms besides Godfather Part Deux ?
The TT and ROTK. This year likely has two.
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11 minutes ago, GiantCALBears said:
Avatar's legacy may not be holding up well outside of the big screen over the past 6 years but while it was going on it had a MASSIVE pop culture effect over the 2 months it was #1. Clearly hasn't endured like some were hoping, you are right there.
I think that's because Avatar on the TV doesn't pop like it did in theater, it goes from being an amazing immersive experience to a really good sci-fi action movie.
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With up to 10 slots for BP nominations TFA will get one. The question is does it get noms for anything else aside from technical and score, probably not though there is an outside shot for a director and an even further outside shot for script.
Gone With the Wind (1939) Box Office:20 million Tickets Sold in the First Year.
in Classic Box Office Runs
Posted · Edited by Biph Shmata
This is OT so im gonna spoiler
It has nothing to do with racism in the North, it's about GWTW being a slavery-apologist film, I just don't cotton to those films.
There were many causes to the Civil War, but without slavery there would have been no war. The reason confederate state after confederate gave for leaving the Union was slavery. Bleeding Kansas showed what happened when the issue of slavery was to be voted on by the territory. Northern Soldiers marched to the first battle of Bull Run singing "John Brown's lies a moldering in the grave, but his truth goes marching on" to the tune of Battle Hymn of the Republic. The Civil War was primarily about slavery which was a vile institution, GWTW glorifies that vile institution.
I am allowed to dislike even a well made film for moral and or political reasons without it having anything to do with "political correctness".