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2 hours ago, Ipickthiswhiterose said:
I am specifically talking about advertising. The jokes I am referring to were perfectly tonal within the film. They were all amusing within the film. My argument is that they didn't work to be taken outside of the film to market it. The tones of Deadpool and TSS are similar. The trailers are not.
The first two lines of the Deadpool Red Band trailer are: "I love you Wade Wilson, we can fight this." followed by "You're right. The cancer's only in my liver, lungs, prostate and brain."
The first two lines of the Suicide Squad red band trailer are: "You're going to risk the entire mission for a mental defective disguised as a court jester" followed by "this coming from a guy that's wearing a toilet seat on his head".
Chalk and cheese.
The Deadpool trailer started with the emotional hook of a loving husband getting cancer and clearly established the chracter. Then it showed a conventional origin story before only then giving something closer to the actual tone of the movie, and only gave a splurge of the really risqué stuff in the last 30 seconds. It only briefly showed its 'silly' CGI character.
TSS trailer had no emotional hook, made the whole thing seem exclusively like an action movie (as opposed to action movie plus love story plus character piece), had risqué material throughout and flamboyantly showed off its 'silly' CGI characters.
I don't think it's fair to compare an origin story with a soft sequel. A better comparison would be the Deadpool 2 trailer. The first few lines of that are: "Start the fucking car!" "Whoo, I shit my pants." "Actually that might have been me."
In many ways, Deadpool 2 and The Suicide Squad are quite similar. Both have a misleading trailer which the cold open completely upends (killing off Vanessa and killing off team A). Both put together a team that is immediately nearly wiped out. Both have unclear antagonists, unlike most superhero movies. Both have a character being graphically ripped in half.
Of course, Deadpool was well-received and Suicide Squad was not, and so it could be that no marketing could have salvaged The Suicide Squad. And speaking of the first movie, the Bohemian Rhapsody trailer for Suicide Squad had no emotional hook either, and also made the whole thing seem exclusively like an action movie, and it didn't put off audiences from seeing it.
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17 minutes ago, Porthos said:
I've seen this complaint in a couple of other films as well.
Why would anyone expect studios to spend a single dime on movies during this "extra year" considering that they (from what I understand) lost money each and every month it was on the shelf?
Or, to put it a different way, why would one expect studios to increase a film's budget when it was costing money to keep it on the shelf and was likely to make less money when it was finally released?
And in general, improving a movie's CGI has got to be one of the least effective uses of money for a studio. The vast majority of the audience isn't going to notice/care, and even for critics who do it's typically quite low in terms of importance. Scenes with bad CGI tend to have other, more pressing issues wrong with them, such as lack of stakes, unclear action or narrative choppiness that critics care more about, and won't be fixed simply by improving the CGI quality.
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3 minutes ago, Biggestgeekever said:
$5.5-6.5M was around the range I was thinking tonight, so great minds etc.
Still, I wish I had a good sense of what the IM is going to be like; my hope is that it'll be in the 12-13 range because of that family appeal factor, though I can certainly see the fan rush factor knocking it below 10.
$5-7 million was my range (the only part of my Deadline parody in the DP thread that wasn't a joke), so looks like we're all in agreement with an average of $6 million. I based mine on Shazam's, which is still my best comparison, and that did $5.9 million.
3 minutes ago, Biggestgeekever said:Also re: John Wick 3. I've noticed the TV spots are really pushing IMAX ("EXPERIENCE IT IN IMAX" right at the end in big letters), so I think the lack of showtimes at the moment may be because Lionsgate is trying to get as many IMAX locations as they can from Disney, heh.
Ooh, that's probably it. Of the 32 showings in my theaters, only two of them are IMAX right now.
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Since Detective Pikachu is winding down, I thought I'd look at John Wick 3 as well. 30 days too late, sure, but it's the final week that's most important. I don't know why it has so few showings though, considering it's at higher capacity than Detective Pikachu at T-8 days.
Detective Pikachu San Gabriel Valley (10 theaters), 1 day to opening night
Sellouts
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Seats sold
Seats Left
Total Seats
Percent Sold
TOTALS
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4989
8839
13828
36.08%
2 showings added
396 seats added
867 seats sold
Aladdin San Gabriel Valley (10 theaters), 15 days to opening night
Sellouts
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Seats sold
Seats Left
Total Seats
Percent Sold
TOTALS
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1636
11360
12996
12.59%
85 seats sold
1.17x Detective Pikachu at T-15 days of presales [Detective Pikachu has 29 days of presales compared to Aladdin's 24]
John Wick 3 San Gabriel Valley (8 theaters), 8 days to opening night
Sellouts
Showings
Seats sold
Seats Left
Total Seats
Percent Sold
TOTALS
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32
1608
4995
6603
24.35%
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1 hour ago, Porthos said:
JW2 551 tickets sold [0 sellouts/145 showings | 10171/13595 seats left | 25.19% sold]
AM2 268 tickets sold [0 sellouts/111 showings | 8605/10896 seats left | 21.03% sold]
Pika (JW) 277 tickets sold [0 sellouts/101 showings | 6338/7883 seats left | 19.0% sold]
Venom n/a tickets sold [0 sellouts/117 showings | 10486/12744 seats left | 17.72% sold]
FB2 396 tickets sold [0 sellouts/124 showings | 11831/15116 seats left | 21.73% sold]
Pika (FBj) 291 tickets sold [0 sellouts/101 showings | 6938/8540 seats left | 18.76% sold]
Pika (JW) is the number of tickets sold at the same theaters I had tracking info for Fallen Kingdom and Ant-Man and the Wasp.
Pika (FB) is the number of tickets sold at the same theaters I had tracking info for Crimes of Grindelwald and Venom
Looking at all those 0's, how many of those 4 actually sold out showings on opening night? Right now none of my showings are coming close to doing that, with the two closest at 82%.
And on that subject, how do you count seats on Thursday? Do you check the seats right before the first showing?
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4 minutes ago, CoolEric258 said:
128% of Ant-Man 2 (96.8M)
Well this one's completely out of whack. How in the world did Ant Man 2 drop on Tuesday?
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Detective Pikachu San Gabriel Valley (10 theaters), 2 days to opening night
Sellouts
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Seats sold
Seats Left
Total Seats
Percent Sold
TOTALS
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81
4122
9310
13432
30.69%
3 showings added
413 seats added
598 seats sold
Aladdin San Gabriel Valley (10 theaters), 9th day of presales, 16 days to opening night
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Total Seats
Percent Sold
TOTALS
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62
1551
11445
12996
11.93%
71 seats sold
1.14x Detective Pikachu at T-16 days of presales [Detective Pikachu has 29 days of presales compared to Aladdin's 24]
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4 minutes ago, HouseOfTheSun said:
It means you’re either near capacity or you’re probably leaning frontloaded.
Does it? I'm looking through the archives, and Dumbo, The Grinch and Hotel Transylvania all had similar or lower percentage increases, and they certainly weren't near capacity or frontloaded. I think there's simply a lot of variability.
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5 minutes ago, Porthos said:
375 in 2005 really isn't the same as 400 in 2019, even with China in play. I see what you mean in terms of budget, but the "WOW" factor with BB was the 4.25x legs (impressive even then), the $200m gross in the DOM market (which meant more profits to the studios) and then the killing it made in the home media market.
It was also seen as a rebirth of the franchise coming off the toxic Batman and Robin. They looked at the WOM and the home video sales and saw an obvious amount of untapped potential.
An equivalent nowadays would probably be Pika Pika doing 225/400, which probably isn't very likely of a spilt but might happen. Unfortunately the home video market isn't anywhere near where it was in 2005/6. Plus Batman was already a proven success in the domestic film market, while Pikachu isn't.
So, it'd be one of those situations where a studio could talk themselves into it. But the gross of BB only tells part of the story, IMO.
Sure, the revenue would be higher, but $150 million in 2005 isn't the same as $150 million in 2019 either. I meant 400 with China in 2005 if China was as big as it was now. But yeah, the WOM and home video sales are certainly key factors that I didn't know about.
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9 minutes ago, Porthos said:
Clear 350 WW: Profitable, but just. Iffy on a sequel.
Clear 400 WW: Profitable, probably a sequel but in danger zone of whims of execs
Clear 500 WW: Sequel happening.
Sounds about right to me. Anything over 450 is probably the go/might go line, but the higher above 450 it is, the more resources might be thrown at it. I.e. not a cut back budget or lower priority.
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Now, yes, clearing 400 would probably still merit a sequel, but it's chancy enough that I don't think it is guaranteed.
And, yes again, I know a sequel is supposedly been greenlit. But things can be ungreenlit or put in development hell in a hurry for a disinterested studio.
Is Batman Begins a good comparison? It had the same budget, and $374 million without China is probably equivalent to $400 million with China.
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Geez that took a while to count, but I'm certainly not complaining. Also, several people have expressed concern about low presales for Aladdin at their theaters, but I'm certainly not seeing that at mine; it's been pretty healthy the last couple of days.
Detective Pikachu San Gabriel Valley (10 theaters), 3 days to opening night
Sellouts
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Seats sold
Seats Left
Total Seats
Percent Sold
TOTALS
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78
3524
9495
13019
27.07%
13 showings added
2158 seats added
472 seats sold
Aladdin San Gabriel Valley (10 theaters), 8th day of presales, 17 days to opening night
Sellouts
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Seats sold
Seats Left
Total Seats
Percent Sold
TOTALS
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62
1480
11516
12996
11.39%
107 seats sold
1.35x Detective Pikachu's first 8 days of presales [Detective Pikachu has 29 days of presales compared to Aladdin's 24]
1.14x Detective Pikachu at T-17 days of presales (cumulative total)
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8 minutes ago, Nova said:
@Cappoedameron we dont count each individual poster that goes by
What are you talking about, this is what we're doing all day:
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10 minutes ago, DAJK said:
Some theatres around me are actually dropping Uglydolls matinees to have an extra screening of Pikachu for matinees.
Dropping UGLYDOLLS for MATINEES... pretty much the only shows where Uglydolls does any business whatsoever (at least when I'm at work). The fact that they dropped matinees instead of evenings (because as far as I know, if a studio lets you split their movie on a screen, they don't care which shows you drop as long as you play X # of their movie per day) makes it seem like theatres are betting big of Pika being a matinee monster rather than a nighttime performer.
Why would a studio do this? Is it like a tit-for-tat thing, where they allow other movies to take their showings if they get to reciprocate in the future?
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12 minutes ago, Minnale101 said:
There are people watching a Pokémon movie at 11pm-12am lol
thats wild.
The good old thing about the west coast is. If the wom from east coast shows are good then it can help west coast shows have better walks up on Thursday specially
Yeah, here's the 12:10AM showing and 12:30AM showing. And based on how the ticket sales increased, that 12:10 showing consists of at least four separate groups.
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11 minutes ago, Minnale101 said:
What time is showing. Just wanna see the trend of late shows being low
Here are the numbers for my shows:
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7 minutes ago, filmlover said:
Beauty and the Beast was a film that actually grew in popularity with time and not an absolute monster out the gate like Aladdin and The Lion King were.
Sure, but both movies had 3D re-releases within 4 months of each other in 2011-2012 and the Lion King still doubled BatB's gross. Still, it's true that the new BatB would definitely not have made as much without Emma Watson, and the Lion King doesn't have that draw for it.
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4 minutes ago, Mulder said:
What?
That would be identical to BATB
Considering that the original Lion King did twice as much as the original BatB on their initial runs, and than twice as much again on their 3D re-release, having the live-action Lion King doing only as well as the live-action BatB would certainly be poor.
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15 minutes ago, Nova said:
Not necessarily. I think it has more to do with how it plays on Saturdays and Sundays. Which coincidently happens to effect the IM of a movie but doesn't really have to do with presales. I mean presales obviously come into play at some point especially when they get really high for a family movie (Incredibles 2 for example) but when I talk about a family friendly movie, I'm more referring to how it'll play on the weekend.
Having said that, I'm still sticking with my 10x multiplier for Pikachu though so I dont expect it to play like a Pixar film at all but more of a hybrid of a CBM and a mini family movie if that makes sense lol
This is what I'm thinking too. A fairly high Thursday number for a PG film, but similar Friday (or rather, Thursday+Friday) and Saturday numbers, splitting the difference between CBMs, which have higher Fridays, and true family films, which have higher Saturdays.
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Detective Pikachu San Gabriel Valley (10 theaters), 4 days to opening night
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Seats sold
Seats Left
Total Seats
Percent Sold
TOTALS
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65
3052
7809
10861
28.10%
248 seats sold
Aladdin San Gabriel Valley (10 theaters), 7th day of presales, 18 days to opening night
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Seats sold
Seats Left
Total Seats
Percent Sold
TOTALS
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62
1373
11623
12996
10.56%
2 showings added
96 seats added
65 seats sold
1.33x Detective Pikachu's first 7 days of presales [Detective Pikachu has 29 days of presales compared to Aladdin's 24]
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I made a mistake in my spreadsheet for Detective Pikachu, as the Dolby screen for one of my theaters wasn't being added into the total. With the correction, 5/2's total has been increased by 58, and 5/3's total has been increased by 52. The last two updates have been corrected as well.
Detective Pikachu San Gabriel Valley (10 theaters), 5 days to opening night
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Seats Left
Total Seats
Percent Sold
TOTALS
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65
2804
7847
10861
26.33%
241 seats sold
Aladdin San Gabriel Valley (10 theaters), 6th day of presales, 19 days to opening night
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Total Seats
Percent Sold
TOTALS
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62
1308
11044
12900
10.59%
56 seats sold
1.34x Detective Pikachu's first 6 days of presales [Detective Pikachu has 29 days of presales compared to Aladdin's 24]
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3 hours ago, stealthyfrog said:
YongYea's really cashing in on the Sonic movie controversy.
The only video I'd seen of his were him going over what was wrong with Mass Effect Andromeda's facial animation, so it's amusing that I'm back on his channel to see him go over the exact same topic.
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5 minutes ago, Nova said:
Tracker is back up!!!!
*Sike*
I got you guys
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Detective Pikachu San Gabriel Valley (10 theaters), 6 days to opening night
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Seats sold
Seats Left
Total Seats
Percent Sold
TOTALS
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65
2563
8088
10861
24.06%
7 showings added
839 seats added
232 seats sold
Aladdin San Gabriel Valley (10 theaters), 5th day of presales, 20 days to opening night
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Seats Left
Total Seats
Percent Sold
TOTALS
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62
1252
11100
12900
10.14%
6 showings added
548 seats added
87 seats sold
1.35x Detective Pikachu's first five days of presales [Detective Pikachu has 29 days of presales compared to Aladdin's 24]
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You don't need to go back 30 years for fan outrage involving a Batman movie casting decision; 12 years is enough, and with Ledger we don't need to imagine a silent storm because we saw it happen.
However, there's an enormous difference between controversial casting and controversial CGI. In the former case there's only the theoretical possibility that it won't work out, whereas with the latter the issues are there for everyone to see.
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Still, I wish I had a good sense of what the IM is going to be like; my hope is that it'll be in the 12-13 range because of that family appeal factor, though I can certainly see the fan rush factor knocking it below 10.
That would be identical to BATB
The Last Duel - Ridley Scott, Matt Damon & Adam Driver | October 15, 2021
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Probably because this movie was conceived and started filming before COVID, and interest in movies with darker themes crashed with the pandemic. In any case, its original release schedule of December 25, 2020 (limited) and January 8, 2021 (wide) says that it was gunning for awards, and any money it made was a bonus. Perhaps its less than stellar reviews made the studio think that it now has no chance of either.