Ororo Munroe
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1 hour ago, IcarusReborn said:
You don't have to be an alt-right Youtuber to not like the direction Disney took Star Wars or Captain Marvel. I'm black and definitely not alt-right, and I found both movies filled with SJW nonsense. And Brie Larson has a long history of saying very off putting things.
A black person who uses "SJW" as a pejorative? That's very unfortunate. Quite hilarious too since CM has very little "SJW content."
Anyhow, I'd say the floor for this weekend is around 68-70M, could see it going as high 75M.
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52 minutes ago, iHeartJames said:
Lewis Tan is that one actor who's name pops up whenever there's a role for an Asian actor its really annoying plus after his little whiny stunt with Iron Fist I'd rather not have him as anything in the MCU
Same here. The way he handled the Iron Fist drama was really tacky. Too much of an attention seeker for my taste.
I haven't seen any of Cretton's work but nice to know he has at least one film that has garnered high praise. I saw that he's also working with Coogler on a project. So I'm very much intrigued. Can't wait to see how the cast comes together now.
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I'm excited for this but a big no thank you to Lewis Tan as Shang-Chi.
I'd love to see someone like Godfrey Gao in the role. Very handsome man, good actor and has some martial arts training as well. He's not exactly well known in America but I don't think that should be a priority. Just beef up the supporting cast with some of those bigger names and legends we all love. That should more than suffice.
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36 minutes ago, LouisianaArkansasGeorgia said:
I honestly hope that you are right when you say that I overreacted. I genuinely that you end up being right.
Also, I don't want nuance.
I don't want half-assed attempts at being progressive while staying firmly entrenched in "we can't alienate families" panic BS.
I want to see simply the same shit we always see with heteros in CBMs: a kiss. And actual embrace between a gay couple while making goo goo eyes at each other. That is normal, simple, quietly powerful stuff in CBMs (THor, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, Superman The Movie, Batman, Captain America, et al), and I definitely don't consider it beating the audiences over the head with a character's [hetero]sexuality. If The Eternals do a simple kiss between two gay characters and people call that simple exchange "beating the audiences over the head with homosexuality," you certainly have a huge hypocrisy/double standard.
You've misunderstood my point. When I say nuanced approach, I'm not talking about a kiss, a hug or lack thereof. I'm simply talking about the quality of the story, the narrative and how the character's sexuality is incorporated into that. For instance, the way Coogler and JRC handled certain narrative points and themes in BP made the movie that much more compelling. Killmonger could have been a complete caricature, a mere offensive stereotype but he ended up being viewed as a sympathetic figure to many exactly because of the nuance and complexity in the writing. Same with a character like M'Baku.
By all means, give the character a love interest, have them kiss but I'm talking about something more than that. How exactly is the character written and how does his sexuality, his experience fit into the larger themes of the movie.
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2 hours ago, LouisianaArkansasGeorgia said:
Bingo.
I know that people will bring up CM and the dudebros' failed troll efforts as an example of how boycotts don't have any effect on blockbusters' box office if audiences at large are truly interested in seeing a film, but this is completely different. If Marvel indeed casts an out actor as a leading man in a leading role as an out homosexual superhero, this is going to go beyond a small-but-vocal internet contingent of snowflake manbabies. This is going to get tons of actual, mainstream press, its going to mobilize that Million Mothers group, this is going to elicit tons of theatres to refuse showing the film, tons of local TV stations to refuse airing the film eventually, this is going to have tons of churches and tons of citizen groups up in arms. And yes, sure, that is all additional buzz to the film itself...but I don't think we should ever underestimate the power of religious-based homophobia to galvanize groups of people. This isn't even comparable to CM. At the end of the day, being a woman is a "normal" thing, but being gay is still widely perceived as "not normal," "sinful" and "deviant", and especially in teh context of entertainment that is traditionally seen as "for kids" (comic books and superhero films), a gay leading man playing a gay superhero (in a leading role) is not gonna fly between the coasts.
Sad, but true.
Believe, nothing would make me happier that to be completely off and proven wrong. If The Eternals came out and featured an out and proud gay superhero leading man and still managed to make a billion dollars, I would be ecstatic. But I just don't see it happening.
While I agree that a CBM featuring an openly gay male lead isn't quite comparable to what we're seeing with CM, this still sounds like an overreaction to me. There will be more pushback on this, yes, but there will also be more support among the mainstream. Couple this with amount of goodwill Marvel/Disney has built up and I highly doubt most churches or citizen groups will bother being all that vocal about their outrage. They will simply stay away.
Also, it's exactly because of said goodwill that Marvel/Disney can afford to be a little bolder. I mean, we're talking about a company and studio that recently made box office history, just won 3 Oscars partly because they dared to do something they haven't done before. I'd think that would make them even more likely to take bigger risks.
It should also be noted that telling a story with an openly gay male lead doesn't have to be a choice between including a "blink and you miss it" moment and beating the audience over the head with a characters' sexuality. There's room for something in between, a more nuanced approach that's still compelling and meaningful.
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2 minutes ago, Nova said:
To be fair, I think WW got the short end of the stick in that general audiences felt burned by the DCEU and thus didn't bother to go out and watch it, in a way that they did for other DCEU movies on OW. It's legs though showed that once word caught on people went out and watched it. The movie ended up making $412.5M off a $103M opening.
Yeah, no doubt it was held back somewhat by the reputation of its universe, specifically BvS. If that movie had even good word of mouth, WW would have benefitted more during OW.
What makes CM's opening even more impressive is not just that the character was unknown to the general audience but that the movie could open this big without the presence of a handsome male love interest to draw in more men and women. That's something I don't think has been talked about enough. It was a rather bold move and quite refreshing. I say that as someone who very much enjoys romance in movies.
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1 hour ago, RealLyre said:
after IW, I'll def say Dr Strange is more popular than T'Challa.
Dr.Strange 2 will probably make a billion
I definitely would not say that. Strange got a huge boost after IW, sure but I didn't and I still don't see many people clamoring to see him in his own movie. T'Challa may have been overshadowed a bit in BP but that says less about his popularity and more about how amazing the supporting cast is. Best supporting cast in any solo MCU movie, no doubt.
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11 minutes ago, fabiopazzo2 said:
No, its not for Captain Marvel but for every movie 🤣
Well yes but we are talking about CM right now and there is really no reason to think it's going to plummet. Can we get an updated Saturday number first? Lol
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Nothing is guaranteed but the pessimistic turns in this thread regarding CM are...a bit much. I don't see this movie dropping more than 60%, if that. And having watched it, I'd be surprised if it can't managed a 2.7 multiplier. Even with "just" a 150M opening, that's gets it over 400M.
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8 minutes ago, Napoleon said:
A lot of people think Lex in BVS was a great villain, myself included.
The best DCEU villain is Zod, then Orm. The rest are bad or forgettable.
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23 minutes ago, stephanos13 said:
Please tell us more jokes.
Doesn't read like a joke to me. Ego is a good villain.
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48 minutes ago, TimmyRiggins said:
I don't know, I'm just not seeing it, I feel like "anyone" could direct those films. And, real question but Watts? He had made two films before Spider-Man, it's not as if he'd already developed a style, the Russos had done some episodes of Arrested Development, Community, two comedies, same deal. Gunn, yeah, I guess his quirkiness is there although toned down, but I guess most blockbusters feel this way but most especially the MCU to me. Black Panther is an outlier for me, this is Ryan Coogler all the way. IW, I really dig like all the ones the Russos directed. Everything else is just completely forgettable imo.
Not to start another debate, but every DC film (aside from Justice League, thanks Joss), I see a vision, I see visual flair, I know who directed each and everyone of those films.
I don't think the number of movies matter much. My point was moreso that you can see a difference in style. Watts isn't really similar to anyone else. Homecoming has more in common with a traditional teen comedy than any other MCU movie. Ragnarok and Guardians have the most similarities but I think that's moreso because Waititi and Gunn have similar styles.
As for DC, MoS and BvS certainly has Snyder's style all over it. And Wan added his stamp to Aquaman. But I honestly struggle to see what makes WW a Patty film. It's visually appealing and certainly has the most coherent narrative of all the DCEU movies but I don't know that it has a distinct style. SS is just a mess, I'm sorry.
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42 minutes ago, TimmyRiggins said:
Kinda that although what bothers me most with the MCU (and I'm a Marvel and DC fan) is this lack of a true vision, of a sense of authorship. I understand why some folks refer to Feige as kind of the mastermind even though he's not directing. It feels more like the TV model where the directors are like guest directors so to speak. I like Fleck and Boden's work, usually, but I'd be hard pressed to tell you that they directed this, just like I couldn't tell you who directed the Ant-Man films (if I didn't know) or Dr Strange, or Thor: TDW, (I'd include Ragnarok but people don't seem to like it when I do
), hell, most of the MCU films aside from Black Panther I'd say. And The Russos arguably, even though they don't really have a particular style I'd say.
It just feels interchangeable to me, like assembly line products, a formula, very by the numbers. CM felt like AM&TW to me in that sense, I like it, I enjoy it but it's so gutless, so safe, there's no visual stamp (a few interesting shots interspersed throughout, otherwise it's the good old Marvel Studios visual scheme), no distinct vision and I'll probably forget about it in a few days. I'd say the way the memories were dealt with in the opening of the film is pretty cool, but otherwise, it's on automatic. Larson is good but doesn't have enough material to shine like she did in Room for example (I know, very different), Mendelsohn is great as always, Law is strong, the rest is fine. The action is fine.
The CG de-aging though, if there is much of it, I don't know, because it looks flawless. Saw it in laser IMAX (great 3D by the way, stood out more than usual) and it just struck me as great practical makeup (and L.Jackson looks younger than his age) mixed in with some small amount of CG. Same for Gregg, maybe one shot towards the end, might have been the lighting where his mouth looked perhaps a tad unnatural, but not sure.
I hope Marvel starts taking more risks and perhaps starts from scratch visually for example and gives their directors and DPs more room to craft more memorable films and visuals, etc. There have so many great cinematographers working on several of those films, and it always seems like their talent is wasted, one hand tied behind their backs, geez.
The mid credits scene is exciting though, very excited for Endgame.
I don't know... I think Captain Marvel has a quirky, off-kilter quality that sets it apart from most other Marvel movies.
I honestly don't get the "Marvel should take more risks" sentiment. I do see risks and I do see different styles being embraced. Waititi, Gunn, Coogler, Watts, the Russos....they all have different styles and I think you see that reflected in their movies. Could some movies be more ambitious? Sure. But I'd say the MCU has become successful, almost to a fault, since it seems some equate the lack of a truly polarizing film or "ambitious flop" with a lack of risk taking.
As for third acts, I think both Infinity War and Black Panther's are strong. Yes, the CGI in BP's last act is not the best but the quality of the storytelling is certainly high.
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11 minutes ago, Lordmandeep said:
Cant call Wonder Women Forgettable....
I would say the No Man land scene is one of the most iconic comic book movie shots of the decade with the Avengers circle shot,
That's doesn't mean the movie isn't forgettable as a whole. I find WW enjoyable but for me, the quality of the movie declines as it progresses. The second act is underwhelming and the 3rd act is..shaky, at best. The villains are absolutely forgettable. Its strength is the action and the chemistry between the leads.
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A movie with 150M+ opening, A cinemascore, good word of mouth/buzz and we're talking about the problems with it and how it's forgettable, lol.
Having seen the movie myself, I would say it's in the second tier of MCU movies at worst. Not quite in my top 5 but certainly top 10. A solid movie from start to finish, with no obvious flaws, imo. That a movie like Doctor Strange, which actually is forgettable for me, recieved more praise from critics is baffling, indeed.
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7 minutes ago, LexJoker said:
There are some holding out for $450M DOM.
Well a 160M opening with good legs would make it a possibility.
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7 minutes ago, Johnny Tran said:
I wonder how that will affect legs.. you would think it'd need a better female/male split to achieve monster legs but we'll see.
It doesn't need monster legs. Good legs would get it to 400M+.
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5 minutes ago, HouseOfTheSun said:
Y’all mofos forgot about that Marvel Saturday surge
Ha. If it can manage a lower drop than Black Panther, I'll be impressed!
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12 minutes ago, POTUS 2020 said:
https://deadline.com/2019/03/captain-marvel-opening-weekend-box-office-breaks-records-1202571905/
Captain Marvel’ Tramples Internet Trolls & Skyrockets To $160M Opening
FRIDAY 9:30 PM UPDATE: Refresh for chart Don’t believe the trolls on Rotten Tomatoes’ audience score, or the zany small white dude contingency misconstruing Brie Larson’s call for diversity in film critics: There is absolutely no question, Disney’s Captain Marvel is a huge hit with a $62MFriday (including Thursday $20.7M previews) and a $160Mopening weekend, currently the third best for the month of March after Beauty and the Beast ($174.7M) and Batman v. Superman ($166M). No. 1 hit films at the box office are like political candidates: People show their favoritism by voting with their wallets and the overindexing of Captain Marvel in its projections over the last month underscore its enormous want-to-see, going from $100M to $120M to $140M and now this. A ‘busting-the-dam’ halo is in effect in the marketplace: Moviegoers have been starving for a four-quad after a string of largely lackluster choices, and that pent-up demand is translating itself into hard cash for Captain Marvel. ComScore/Screen Engine’s PostTrak shows that 23% of the audience bought their tickets more than a week ago, while Captain Marvel is drawing 55% in walk-up busines seem more s. More than half of all movegoers came to Captain Marvel because it’s part of a franchise they love.
So they seem more sure of 160M despite a slight decrease in the Friday estimate? Predicting a bigger Saturday, I guess?
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19 minutes ago, ChipMunky said:
Also, I'd say, because Black Panther didn't show the origin of him becoming Black Panther.
But it did show the origin of him becoming king and I think that should count towards it being an origin story.
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I'm rooting for CM to break the March ow record but anything north of 140M would be satisfying.
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56 minutes ago, Krissykins said:
Just back from seeing The Favourite.
Not a fan. Colman was good, but should be in the supporting category.
Emma Stone and Rachel shouldn’t be nominated, at all.
Emma Stone is great in this movie, the highlight imo. I'm honestly surprised at how good she is. Colman is good too but I don't think she gives a major award-winning performance and positioning her as the lead is questionable as well. Frankly, I think Viola Davis and Toni Collette are more deserving of the love Colman is getting.
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3 hours ago, Valonqar said:
Go Aquaman, Spiderverse and BR! Those are the only movies I care about atm but nice success for Escape Room.
Main actress Taylor Russell is very beautiful, maybe MCU cast her as Storm? 🙏
I like Taylor Russell and would love to see her in more things but she is no Storm. That would be a terrible casting choice. If the MCU is going for a young Storm then someone like Kiki Layne from Beale Street would be a great choice. I just watched that film and developed a girl crush. She deserves more shine.
), hell, most of the MCU films aside from Black Panther I'd say. And The Russos arguably, even though they don't really have a particular style I'd say.
Main actress Taylor Russell is very beautiful, maybe MCU cast her as Storm?
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings | Marvel Studios | 92% RT & 99% VA Score | ONLY IN THEATERS Sep 3 2021
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The way I see it, there are already a lot of great martial arts movies out there so the MCU wouldn't be doing anything special by making the action the focus. How many of those movies feature an Asian American or center an Asian American story, however? Not many, if any at all. And given that this movie has an Asian American writer and director, I think it's safe to say there is going to be a good amount of focus on what it's like to be Asian in America. That to me is more compelling that just delivering another great action movie.