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16 hours ago, eddyxx said:
wow if this guy gets on the board, I think Feige’s time at marvel will be drawing to a close.
Not surprising, Perlmutter was the reason why it took so long to get Black Panther and any female-led movies off the ground. What is surprising is that Peltz is so blatant about it. The fact that Black Panther still upsets them even though it made a ton of money really shows what this is all about.
Also notice how Peltz said that he has nothing against women (I doubt that) but didn't even bother saying that regarding black people?
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12 minutes ago, Eric Atreides said:
Honey, we're not doing this again.
Floooooooooooppppppp
Spoiler/s
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3 hours ago, Mojoguy said:
It's not about breaking even, but doing so well Legendary is forced to make Dune 3 aka Messiah. The longer Legendary drags out Messiah announcement the less likely it gets made, and Denis leaves.
It's a long shot Children of Dune gets made, but I hope we do get it in a few years. As all Dune fans know, God Emperor is unfilmable though so I'm fine with CoD being the last Dune film(s?). There was a decent CoD miniseries a while back with James McAvoy, but I hope we get a film version eventually.
1. If the movie recoups its budget+marketing in theaters then everything that comes after that (PVOD, streaming, home video) is more or less pure profit.
2. Villeneuve is not walking away. And he himself is in no rush to make Messiah so does it really matter if the movie gets announced now or in a couple of months?
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I'll be happy if Dune Part Two reaches 700M worldwide. Would recoup production+marketing budget with theatrical gross alone.
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Just now, Wotad said:
Did they not co-finance it?
Its weird its seen as a WB film if they didn't finance it at all. Why did legendary let them handle all the promo etc.. then?
Legendary also had nothing to do with Blade Runner 2049. Blade Runner was a Sony and Alcon Entertainment joint.
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18 minutes ago, vale9001 said:
I know people love to root for the artists against the mean machines are the majors but... I mean ..Warner gave 200M dollars to Villenueve for BD 2049 and that was a big flop.
You could expect for him to do several "Little hits" before getting again the budget for a big movie...but It got It soon and even for such a "cursed" project like Dune. Warner said " BD2049 was a flop but we think you're talented and we still believe in you".
Again the movie Is not a flop but you can't call It a success just from the box office. They still gave him 200M again for another movie.
IMO Warner earned some voice on how the next chapter and all the saga should be planned 😇
Warner didn't finance the film. They simply distributed it in North America.
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6 minutes ago, Bob Train said:
Damn some people here really want Dune to be a flop and are grasping at straws here
I don't have any anti-Dune bias, I'm a fan of both movies and would love for them to keep making more.
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7 minutes ago, HowSway said:
Iirc, there might not be actual cash paid out but the streaming division still "pays" a fee to the production division in order to add it to streaming.
Sure but should we really count that if both divisions are owned by the same entity?
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1 minute ago, HowSway said:
PVOD, Blu Rays and licensing fees are ancillaries no?
Blu-ray sales are a pittance at this point and there's really not a lot of money in streaming if the movie goes to a streaming service owned by the same company that produced the film (no money from a licensing deal).
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8 minutes ago, misterpepp said:
I tend to find that the whole "[X] times the budget" rule-of-thumb thing doesn't work, either because it's outdated or it over-simplifies things far too greatly. Each movie has its own individual circumstances re: budget, P&A spend, ancillaries, etc. to the point that using one blanket method to determine profitability in the theatrical window can't really be done. For instance, in the case of a $100m-budgeted movie like John Wick 4 or Oppenheimer, that rule would imply breakeven at ~$250m WW, but when you consider P&A costs and theater takes, that would be insinuating that those titles only had around $25-50m marketing spend each, which they very much did not. If I were to take a guess at a solitary breakeven point for those titles (although I do agree with AniNate that these points have a little too much significance), I think they'd be somewhere in the mid $300m's to low $400m's worldwide (that would just be on theatrical gross alone, not considering the plentiful profits down-the-road).
To clarify, I'm not trying to argue with any users over this, nor am I trying to make this about Dune 2's profits, I'm speaking more in a general sense.
This right here. They easily spent 150M on marketing Dune Part Two so the breakeven is probably around 700M.
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15 minutes ago, ozardvark said:
Saw it with the Dune re-release and it looked like they've significantly improved the CGI. Looked incredible.
Which is interesting because they actually got this into production fast (the movie was ready to go just 2 years after the first released) and the budget is not substantially bigger (especially if you consider that all the leads probably got a pay rise).
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2 minutes ago, TMP said:
He’s really solid in Succession as well imo
You're not confusing him with Brian Cox by any chance?
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3 minutes ago, Cmasterclay said:
Dune 2 box office shows what every complicated and dark sci-fi and fantasy film needs to cross over to the mainstream - Christopher Walken playing himself.
He really wasn't in this one though. A very subdued performance form him. Not sure if it's because of VIlleneuve's direction or because Walken is getting up in years (correct me if I'm wrong but I haven's seen him in anything in quite a while).
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7 minutes ago, Hatebox said:
Had a similar experience watching this as I did with The Batman - absolutely stunning to look at and drink in (seriously other blockbusters, try even half as hard as this with presentation) but the second half does start to buckle a bit under the weight of the plot. The parts that take their time stand in stark contrast to the parts that feel weirdly rushed, though I gather that’s a frequent sensation in the book too.
The last 30 minutes feel very rushed.
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How I imagine the Emperor reacting if he ever listened to those recordings by Princess Irulan.
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49 minutes ago, vale9001 said:
If i didn't get wrong villenueve decide to split the final battle on the First book in two parts? So the next movie will have a strong start with a Battle against the other houses? Paul will win and their gonna accept him going to the point the dune novel ends.
Basically a way to have an opening for the next movie.
What about hawat? He's gonna use him or we're not gonna see him anymore?
Even if the movie is strong in terms of plots he left Paul sister birth for the next movie too. I think the next movie will open with a part with a battle against the houses, paul marriage and the birth of her sister and It will show also the holy wars around the universe (something it's not "showed" in the books but only talked about).
Then It's gonna move 12 years after with the plot of the next novel.
Really don't think that conflict will be determined by a single battle. At the end of the film Paul unleashes the war that will kill billions. The movies are going their own way with this.
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13 minutes ago, ZackM said:
The attack on Sietch Tabr is where he changes. He decides he needs to be proactive.
But he's still himself at that point. Once he gains total prescience from drinking the water of life is when we see a real change in him. "We're Harkonnens. So this is how we'll survive. By being Harkonnens." Because he can see all the possible futures he realizes that the only way for them to come out on top is to embrace their manipulative villainous side. In the novel Paul still feels conflicted about what he must do but we don't get that in the movie at all. After that point in the film we're no longer privy to his thought process. We only see him through the eyes of his followers and Chani.
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8 minutes ago, Cmasterclay said:
Huh. Well I liked it alot better than the first, and it was flirting with masterpiece status for awhile - but did they leave a scene on the cutting room floor or something? Paul's heel turn goes from gradual to full blown so fast it barely makes sense. From "we must go to the South" to full blown baddie with one drink that we don't even see the results of? Needed a three minute scene explaining his mindset or something. Without it....I don't know how I felt, honestly.
They cut out a lot from the book and in the novel he doesn't come off this villainous. So your confusion is valid.
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18 minutes ago, ZackM said:
Definitely an incredible theatrical experience. More changes from the book than I anticipated. Some of them were kind of obvious and made sense, like the abbreviated timeline and absence of Alia as an articulate toddler, but some of them were less ideal. Chani not riding with Paul at the end was the most egregious for me, as it makes the plot of Messiah a little awkward. The great houses rejecting Paul's ascendancy and that being the catalyst of the Jihad is weird because it makes them seem like political fanatics instead of religious fanatics.
Ultimately, only mildly annoying when compared to how great the rest of the movie is.
A+. Would recommend.
I would imagine that in order for Paul to be able to bring about the paradise that the Fremen have been waiting for then they'd need to achieve control over the entire Imperium so that part tracks but it's a massive change from the books that if taken to its logical conclusion would completely alter the plot of Dune Messiah.
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1 minute ago, Mr Roark said:
The great houses and the Guild just witnessed a cult leader nuking the capital of the production of the spice while unleashing a brutal indigenous force against colonialist like them. It makes perfect sense to me that the great houses won’t instantly bow and this notion reinforce the radical anti colonialist message of the film.
Chani just did what she told Paul literally 30 mins before the end: she will follow him as long as he will stay who he is. He’s not that boy she fell in love anymore.
I accept your point about Chani, she probably would have walked away even if Paul wasn't going to marry Irulan (although that seemed like the clear tipping point for her), at least in this version of the story. And I guess the great houses could refuse to accept Paul as the new emperor (although given the fact that in this feudal society warfare between houses is permitted, in this case between the Artreides and the Corrino, then I'm not sure if any of the other houses would have any moral objections to what has just happened), But Paul then immediately telling the Fremen to kill all that oppose them without even taking the time to explain to the great houses what exactly has happened is wild. And if he chooses that path then marrying Irulan becomes pointless. At that point he's not gaining power through a political alliance, he's simply using brute force. He becomes a tyrant right from the get-go.
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Also, someone on Reddit pointed out how illogical the new ending is. So where the movie departs from the book is when the other great houses refuse to accept Paul's ascendancy to the throne. And there's no reason given. In the first and second movie multiple characters say that the great houses would topple the emperor if they found out the emperor was responsible for the attack on the Artreides. Even in this movie at the very end Paul says that the great houses might be sympathetic to his cause if they find out the truth. In any case, Paul then declares a holy war on the great houses in response. In this scenario there is no need for Paul to marry Irulan because it apparently lends to legitimacy to his claim to the throne. And Chani has no need to run away because she feels betrayed by Paul on a personal level. Villeneuve wanted to set up the jihad immediately, took a shortcut and as a result the ending doesn't make sense.
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6 hours ago, titanic2187 said:
This is one of the rare moment I seen a protagonist in a major studio tentpole was written and portrayed with such “villainous” energy. Most of tentpole prefer their protagonist to be heroic and role model-ish.
They made Paul way more villainous here than he is in the books. The movie ends with Paul telling the Fremen to kill all the great houses that do no accept his ascendancy to the throne. This is a big departure from the books. In the books he can't control the religion that grows around him. Here he is the one who personally declares a holy war on the entire known universe.
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How did The Marvels drop 79% during its second weekend but Madame Web only 61%? This does not make sense to me.
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Testing well, huh? Let' see if Sony lifts the review embargo earlier than one day before release.
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They're also completely giving away the game. Once you start arguing that Marvel shouldn't have made Black Panther it's clear that they don't actually care about making Marvel profitable. It's just about bigotry.