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i saw someone days ago posted Garfield was making great numbers in Italy and on some other foreign country.
Well while it had a very good day on 1st may (an holiday here) from the day after it totally collapsed. It went from 650K on first day to 70K (-90%) on day 2 😶. And friday was again just 70K (the fall guy doubled it with 150k and challengers made 200K)
So no at least here it's not this incredible phenomenon. The final total will be probably less than half of Kung Fu Panda 4.
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A- is good for the fall guy.
I don't know maybe it can have good summer legs and not being the success someone wants or needs but neither the bomb someone thinks.
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3 hours ago, ListenHunnyUrOver said:
Most singers have failed at transitioning to acting. Gaga is 2/2 at spawning hit R rated adult dramas and Joker 2 will fully establish her as an undeniable movie star.
Lady Gaga made a star is born.
It's a very specific project and a kinda of hollywood brand (the fourth movie in the series)...A list actor + pop star on a movie about a pop star.
It was supposed to be with Adele before Gaga (according to rumours) while Eastwood thought to make it with Beyoncè at some point.
I don't think Adele can open a movie (??) but in a project like that could have worked like Gaga did. Same for Beyoncè.
I see that like something similar to what The Bodyguard was.
Same for Joker 2. The idea is a musical? People feel like Gaga can work on that but i think a lot of others name could have worked and be hyped too.
I don't want to deny she is part of the buzz of the movies she acts but Gaga in a movie like The Fall guy instead of Emily Blunt?. Kinda same opening honestly.
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57 minutes ago, John Marston said:
I think Ryan Gosling is a star but not a draw. People know who he is, especially women, but that doesn’t mean people will go out to watch a movie starring him
i think he's one of the actors with the most cult- famous movies in the last 15-20 years.
The notebook, Drive, Crazy stupid love, La La Land, BD 2049, Barbie I think they all are future classics and movies people love also them because he's there.
Blue Valentine, The place Beyond the lines, The nice guys are others movies became cult and remembered too.
I see why producers cast him. In some way almost all his movies even if not all smashes at the box office kinda became cult, have long legs so this shows he's a respected actor but not a draw for a blockbuster, big movies. Only pure action stars can open these kind of movies now.
Btw Emily Blunt is in the movie too and she's payed as Gosling, should be supposed to be a draw too.
I would say for her it's the same for Gosling. She can make the difference for movies like Sicario, A quiet Place or the The girl on the train but it's not a draw for 200M dollars blockbusters (
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30 minutes ago, marveldcfox said:
Ryan Gosling has zero star power. This opening is proof.
not as action star. Fans of blockbusters are not Gosling fans.
That wolfman movie by Cianfrance he was supposed to star but skipped?.
That's an horror movie A24 style he could open with similar numbers
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it's twitter. No one cares about what twitter says. It's not the 2018 anymore come on.
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8 minutes ago, Eric the Fall Guy said:
No coincidence Challengers dropped so hard on the day Fall Guy started taking its PLFs...
yeah 40% of the total in the weekend was from imax. The format is becoming more and more something fundamental for younger people for any kind of movie. Like or i watch a movie in a way makes going to a theater worth or i'm gonna watch it on my 4K TV at this point.
Barbenhmeir was fun and everything but i can't imagine how much money was left on the table with Barbie not in Imax.
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all the movies need tik tok to really blow up. The others social are dead. Facebook is dead from 4-5 years, Twitter now is definitely dead as Facebook. Instagram is dying. Tik tok is at the peak.
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2 hours ago, JustLurking said:
That seems like a decent start for Garfield and a very poor one for Fall Guy. Challengers is doing pretty well, will probably pass 4M here, maybe 5? Not bad at all.
actually seems to me asolid start for Fall guy with 1200K average for screen, which seems interesting for the weekend too.
Challengers still stays with a very mediocre screen average as in the last weekend. Can even reach 800 for screen in weekend-holiday days.
Warner apparently took the screen for at least 2 weeks cause it didn't lose anything but next week the drop in distribution could be strong
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i think the barbenheimer thing doesnt't have too impact cause Blunt isn' that connected by the GP to Oppenheimer. She has like 10 minutes in the movie. Murphy and Downey J.R are the ones more connected to the movie (the oscar winners after all).
Gosling definitely is more connected to Ken but the two together doesn't work that much in this sense.
Something could have made some big barbenhimer post buzz would have been an (action) romantic comedy with Margot Robbie and Cillian Murphy.
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i saw it today on a 250 seats screen was almost full. But here today is an holiday so maybe doesn't mean thart much.
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40 minutes ago, SaltyPistola said:
Oceania? You mean Moana?
yeah sorry. In italy the movie is called Oceania cause Moana is a famous pornstar😆
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meh
if they have to sell out why at this point not with animated sequels like they did with frozen, oceania, zootopia etc.. Would feel more eventful.
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12 minutes ago, Dreadnought said:
I'm sorry, but none of this is rigorous. It's great that people on TikTok, IMDB, etc loved it as soon as it became free to watch. I suppose that perhaps the problem here is that my definition of popular is a lot more 4 quadrant than might be fair in the fragmented world of streaming.
a movie can be a phenomenon and big even if it's not 4 quadrant. Can be so big in one of two targets it's stll big.
Thanks god or 4 quadrant movies means no sex, no gay person as main character etc...
whatever data i give you for you shows nothing when the fact saltburn has 3 times most votes of Anyone but you on imdb means a lot...the fact is the 27th most watched movie of all time on letterbox means nothing when means a lot
why means a lot? cause all the most votes movies of 2023 on imdb got less votes than saltburn
cause all the most watched movies of all time on letterboxd from 1st to the 26th position are hugely popular movies, as the movies from 28 to 50.
So saltburn is not the only movie in the top 50 of popular movies is not popular for some reason 😅
and for the same reason the fact Seven has 1.5M votes tell you now is popular even if was a moderate success on theaters, or Parasite is a movie "everyone has seen" in the last years even if the box office in the Us was not blockbuster level.
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11 minutes ago, AJG said:
oh gosh it's like if internet it's used by 10 people and not the 95% of the population. Saltburn was huge. Has viral videos on tik tok with 4B views in 2 weeks in that platform. Be serious. If a movie has 210K votes on imdb this means it has tens of millions of viewers. What you have to deny?
1.8M people on letterbox said they watched the movie. If you want to believe 1.8M users use this platform watched it and then only 2.5M in general watched it good for you, of course you can easily take that and thinking the total is at least 15 times that number.
At the bafta they opened the show with the song from the movie (the movie is british) like the oscars made with barbie. To say it was a big thing.
Then as i said the problem of platforms is all the people watch soon and then it goes lost in the algorithm.
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Just now, babz06 said:
Saltburn was released in theaters. It just didn’t make much money. (11.4m)
everyone knew it was coming on amazon in like 4 weeks.
first weekend was 1.4M in 1500 copies
second weekend 3.4M (+142%) in 1500 copies
third weekend lost only 12% with 2.9M in 1500 copies
from the 4th weekend it lose 900 theaters despite this incredible WOM cause it was decided like this. And despite this btw lost only another 34%-
Launched as normal movie could have became an increasing and increasing phenomenon like anyone but you, who knows?. The increase were amazing despite anything. Of course couldn't make it cause it was only a kinda of "technical release" and this means also not real promo for the theater release.
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i think this one of the bigger problems with Guadagnino and why he is not able to enlarge his appeal on a wider audience despite the acclaim, awards etc.. like happened to Lanthimos, Anderson etc.. is:
if you think about it after Call me by your name he made Suspiria (Amazon exclusive), Bones and all (amazon exclusive), the tv show We are who we are (only on hbo, not free channels WW), Challengers (Amazon).
if your movie doesn't exist outside of just ons platform 90% of people will never see these movies and this is a fact. Tarantino became cult in years and years cause millions of people watched his movies on tv channels everyone can see. Still now in my country every two week there is a movie from him on prime time in some free channel around. This is how you get an audience with the time, imagine if you could find Pulp Fictipn only on a singular pay platform...
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Saltburn was big. It has 205K votes on imdb, that's 1/3 of the votes of avatar 2 after 1 year and we know how that platform is stronger with movies for a male audience, than for a movie like saltburn.
Another sign of its cultural success is the song by Sophie Ellis Bextor used in the final of the movie (a 2004 old song) reached top 5 global on spotify. This happened also with a Natasha Beginfiled song from 2005 used on Anyone buy you. So a symbol of how the two movies were similar cultural phenomenons for a similar audience (anyone but you at the moments sits with 71K votes on imdd, 1/3 of saltburn)
the problem with saltburn is alwas the same. The movie reached 150K votes in the first month and then 50k in the others 2 cause movie are exclusively in streaming have success and then they kinda disappear...while anyone but you now cames on cable tv, home video, then free television next year etc... so in the long term will be more remembered and voted than saltburn.
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Challengers is too essay for the streaming platforms.
Saltburn is very simple and kids can understand it. It's like cruel intentions... cruel intensions got his 90s pure aestetichs, saltburn the 2020s aestetichs. It's a very simple movie, this is not.
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i don't get what do you expect from challengers? the previsions here always have been could go to 20M maybe ù. 15M doesn't seem that far. Seems from the reactions it made half of what anything should expect.
Never has been a movie with big potential and Amazon can produce a 55M movie just to send it directly on prime. Bones and all was a flop and they made another movie with Guadagnino so clearly their plan is to produce 2-3 movies at year can give prestige to the platform even if doesn't make money.
Yeah the box office is depressing, yeah i don't think for Zendaya team is that good publicity she opened a movie with like 14M at first weekend if they want to cast her in prestigious drama movies like this in the future (amazon can't be behind it everytime).
But it's not this movie was supposed to save the situation, it made what you could expect ...it's not like 3M less or 3m more would have changed the discourse about the situation right now for cinemas.
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5 minutes ago, Kon said:
I agree people want to be surprised, but I'm not sure Barbie is a so good example.
The promotion for Barbie was amazing, but I'm not sure "it wasn't what they thought it would be". The promotion for Barbie focus on many aspects associated with Barbie.
The story of Barbie movie was really unexpected (and probably influenced the legs), but the promotion doesn't focus on that.
they didn't alienate the audience but from the first teaser with 2001 odyssey wasn't casual. If the first teaser would have been only barbie and ken at barbie world (with no scenes in the real word etc.. as we know) the reaction would have been different. The fact the first teaser was meta cinema already sold the idea of something different, not only for babies etc.. and changed the reaction and expectations also for the material after that.
Then of course they were helped by the idea itself gerwig was involved, robbie was involved, gosling was involved etc.. No one expected Gosling to make at 40 years old ken in a total sell out movie like Bratz the movie or something like this 😅
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The point is what "original" means. More than original i would say people want things are surprising. Barbie is not an original brand but most people like it cause it wasn't what they thought it would be.
and this from the moment the promotion started.
So people can be honest when they say they want "original" contents but this doesn't change people have to know about the things and being stimolated to react. You have to make new things and you have to be able to let people know you're doing it. We can't act as the mass is always informed about the products to really know what they are, so they way you sell them is everything.
You can't blame it only on people but you have to sell things in an interesting way.
For Challengers what they made? Amazon clearly doesn't know how to promote a movie.
Warner, and not only for barbie but there are a loooot of other examples in the last 25 years, is imo the best in the promotion of products are not "easy to sell" and different. For example for Joker 2 they're making already a great work at selling it as something different but it's something you have to see it anyways (or exactly because is different)
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Art won, I don't think there is a doubt about that. The final is complicated, i need to rewatch the movie to (maybe 😅) understand it better.
The meaning of the final should be everyone of them gets what he nedeed (their personal liberation) to move on with their life, so they both won whatever the tennis result was.
my favourite sequence btw more than the final one is the one at the parking lot with all the wind. That's crazily good filmaking.
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Just now, AniNate said:
Meh. The more butts in seats the better. This is a box office forum, not a budget forum.
no, the promotion strategy must be well curated and you have to make a plan "if i invest 20M in the promotion i must think can bring back at least 30M or can change something". It's not "well the movie budget is 40M, let's invest 50M in promotion so we can definitely reach at least 60m"
Better make 40M but without promotion costs at this point.
Again i'm not talking specifically about this movie but as general rule.
Weekend Numbers | estimates | 28.50M THE FALL GUY | 8.08M SW: EP I - TPM | 7.64M CHALLENGERS | 6.50M TAROT
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A quiet place is an horror. We know horror is the genre is more easier to sell just by the concept and the one gives more surprises at the box office (but you need to invest often more money on marketing than the actual budget + horrors have a kind of limit at the box office, while a drama or a comedy once became phenomenons can reach a broader audience in terms of different targets of people).