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Yeah the movie definitely is not a crowd pleasure. The movie has a lot of lows, the anglophone reviews are in a total overrated territory (in europe they are way more tepid) but it's a very interesting and especially well directed movie. I wouldn't even say it's really erotic, as most Guadagnino movies is more sensual than real erotic (basically there isn'a true complete or real scene of people actually staying there naked to make sex). Of course he's very novelle vague on his gaze so you always feel his precence and the movie it's very homoerotic. IMO the biggest problem of the film it's on the acting. Sorry but Zendaya is just an average at best actress. She absolutely doesn't have the range for a role like this, she only works in the initial part when she is supposed to be younger and naive and then for the 80% of her precense it's so one note, monotous, unable to give to the character the complexity should have. If you have a movie with a very "basic" story and the only interesting things about the story is what's stays under the surface and in the "not said" of the characters actors are the most important thing you have to choice, if you have people give the most superficial interpration of characters feelings in every scene the movie lose almost anything. But i understand the only reason people know about this film it's her and more than that, the film probably exists only because she produced it. Josh O' Connor is usually a great actor he misses something too and goes on a very superificial mood in some of the scenes. The real stand out it's Mike Faist. Really, what an actor he's here. One of the Guadagnino great talents it's really to make actors are not "desiderable" (at least for most people and in the most stereotyped way) the sexiest actors you can have in the span of 2 hours of a movie.

but if i didn't get wrong people saying 750K is without previews of the previews. While people saying 2M it's with that included. So it's more like 1.5M or 2M when you put everything together.

Kinda mediocre start for Challengers (198k) if you think about the promotion, the big number of copies (almost 600 for the weekend) and it was a pre holiday day. Let's see if the WOM will help it but doesn't seems like something will break out. Still could go to 4-5M final territory. Poor things opened with 270K on a casual thursday

i think they're not stupid...the movie will definitely be about how fame destroys a man...a mean hollywood love this narrative and used it even for a character like Elton John, gives to everyone watch him nothing more than the drunk uncle at the parties, just thinks for someone like MJ probably faced this things more than any celebrity ever lived. He was the celebrity of the celebrities. so I don't know if hollywood always has tried to make sympathetic serial killers, mafia people and these soldiers go somewhere to actually sterminate people I guess we can have a little bit of that sentiment for someone just sing and dances too.

oh so it's not that low budget. The also invested a lot in promotion. Not easy to became a success only from theaters. anyways it's amazon so it doesn't have to make 150M.

of course when a trailer doesn't click with people this explains low sales. That's why trailers exist. My point was bad trailers in general clicks a lot with the GP taste 😂

even if true has this ever been a problem?

the reviews for The fall guy in my country are even better than in the US. Let's see if the audience will really like it and at least can have a surprising WOM with the summer season coming.

I'm surprised here in Italy despite a lot of promo the sales right now are very very stale. Tomorrow is the eve of a national holiday (the liberation from the nazis) and even with that in my theater in Milan there are like only 20 tickets sold in the late night show a nothing for the afternoon screenings. I feel this will make good or could explode somehow, i don't know why, but imo this shows the only appeal this movie has are the actors, so it's interesting to see how will play internationally where the actors are not big...well only zendaya actually is "big" in the Us. Guadagnino as director doesn't have appeal or the tennis on a movie or any other particular thing of the movie.

predictions for Challengers? How are the sales distributed into the weekend? Seems a little bit frontloaded (cause young women) or not?

The problem of quorum it's not clear what are the questions they make. If you ever study statistics you know making questions for a survey it's a specific art and the way you put a question can change a lot the percentage any answer gets. I'm gonna watch Changellers with my brother next friday and he wrote me on a message "did you see the spot of this movie about tennis, it's from the call my by your name director"... i said to him "challengers?".. "i don't remember the title right now" so if they just ask "did you hear about a movie called challengers" he would say no 😅

The Fall guy is about late walk ups and WOM. I don't see why someone should buy tickets 20 days before. The promotion and the reactions in the last week and first weekend is what really matters. At the same time i feel Challengers pre sales could be very owned by young women, and we know that could mean very frontloaded. So some of the weekend previews i'm reading here could be a little bit optimistic if the movie doesn't attract also a more mature audience once it's out.

when you have 2 Barbenheimer actors of course you can't not try to use that to sell this movie too. They made it at the Oscars, they made it at Snl and it's ok but now it's time to focus on the movie and let that rest in peace.

Taylor even posted it on twitter and instagram. Btw I think for both The fall guy and Challengers is the WOM once they're out what matters. The first of course have to make more cause its budget is mid blockbuster level. 40-45M would be a decent start but also 30-35 with a good WOM wouldn't be that bad imo (budget is 125M, not 200M or more) and I think can do decent- good numbers all around the world. Less than that would be bad of course.

challengers can make a cute opening but there is no reason to be a breakout right now. The average american doesn't know what a Guadagnino is and the two main male actors are unknown. For a romantic comedy the male actor is important to sell the movie. Zendaya has yet to prove she can sell a movie as main star and anyways i don't see her being like a julia roberts- sandra bullock, so someone really appeling to women for a female movie. Her audience really seems just kids and internet stans. Can became a big hit if it's actually really a good movie for this kind of audience and can reach them with WOM. But after even Poor things made just 35M total in the Us with christmas, emma stone, awards season etc... i'm not very positive about adult dramas in the Us right now.

we should be honest with this. The basic people can like a movie about joker don't want to see joker and Harley Quinn dancing numbers and people singing for more than 2 times in 2 hourse of movie. There is this idea the first movie was liked by this elite audience when it's the same audience liking john wick and a Tarantino movie.

they are based on the pre sales started 2 months before. It's really hard to predict how this can open, so the prediction is like 20M if flops, 40M if makes good. Something imo you can say even without pre sales.. i mean you see this movie and you say worst scenario 20M (less than that seems very unlikely), 40M best scenario. The last week before the release it's when things will became clearier...and anyways this is a kind of rom com too. So even if it opens with just 40M there are chances the legs can be good like for the tatum-bullock movie or anyone but you. I don't think we should focus too much only on the first weekend.

guadagnino is a very pretentious person lol trust me i'm italian and i know him more than the average english person cause I see his interviews in italian and everything and i knows him as public figure from 25 years, not 5 years. Anyways i didn't even meant his movies are pretentious, just american stars like him cause they like this kind of allure they think it's gonna give it to their curriculum (probably agents have a large part on telling them to choose him). But if If you tell to Zendaya what are the sources and influences of Guadagnino movies she doesn't know a name of these directors, let alone having watched a movie of them, be serious.

these american musical biopics are always bad or mediocre to me. I can't think at one really good. So...yeah but nothing shocking

this is gonna have initial high hype but then what should be its target won't like it. It's crazy the appeal Guadagnino has for these american stars when then he makes a cinema americans don't like. Probably they like the pretentious sophisticated european cinema vibe they can take from it.

do people know there is right now a Broadway musical about MJ life both in New York and London and it's a huge hit? (coming for the 1000th performance in New york in a few months) And the actor playing MJ won the Tony Award for best actor in a musical? There is a huge demand for MJ contents.

if the 15 songs are all Cole Porter and Stephen Sondheim classics goodbye 1B. I really don't see his male basic audience to care about this. Especially cause i want to watch good performers for this kinda of enterteinment. Gaga of course can do really good but Phoenix please he's gonna be boring and mediocre as hell at singing and dancing this kinda of music.

I'm sad after the recent success of female driven movies and Anyone but you Prime video didn't get this a big screen chance. It even has initial great reviews. The Idea of You | Rotten Tomatoes

something with 7000 performances just in London, plus a couple of Uk tours (estimated 8-9M viewers in London alone) what needs? Two others West End classics were huge: Les Miserables (61M), Mamma mia (89M) . Chicago made 26M +, so basically 45M with the actual average ticket price. Usually the flops on the big screen are the Andrew Llyod Webber musicals 🤣 (Cats and the panthom of the opera). I don't know about Paddingotn but at least Wicked is not a panned disaster like cats with all november and december I see it at Le Miz and Mamma mia level. It's perfect for Christmas like Wonka cause it's a very disneyan musical both for the story and for the music style. Something remembers also The Greatest showman.

movie of the year in the Uk is gonna be Wicked right? Chances for even more than Wonka I guess.