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5 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:
Didn’t The Batman ended up being (deservedly) the best received SH movie of last year by critics?
I thought wakanda forever won Oscars in the end, didn't it?
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There are no double standards. A movie can have dodgy cgi and another can ahve straight up ps3 cgi. Just because one movies cgi is a 6/10 doesn't mean that anothers cant be worse
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1 hour ago, belblazer said:
Another lie debunked.
there is zero chance a producer in the film would ever confirm it whether it's true or not. Nothing is debunked
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7 hours ago, martin said:
"We know"
Who's we?
Keeps silent if u know nothing.
The people who saw him chokeslaming another person on video.
Which is everyone with a working internet connection.aybe yours is busted....
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Some Of ypu think just because his victims didnt press charges that he didnt assault them. We know he assaulted people on 3 separate occassions at least, they kust didnt press the matter further.
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3 hours ago, cax16 said:
Honestly people can try and play this game how they want this movie to flop cause of Ezra and that’s their right but let’s not pretend the majority of you weren’t there opening night watching IW and EG which starred Brolin who is an abuser and has been arrested many times. So whatever, don’t watch the movie but get off your high horse. There’s a bunch of garbage people in Hollywood, what’s new?
I only hope everyone has the same energy if they don’t recast Majors.
Brolin has talked extensively with his battle with alcoholism and the instance you plugged out of Wikipedia happened more than a decade ago. You could do better than just repeating info withput context
Its not comparable at all with Miller who terrorized people as early as last year
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7 hours ago, Johnny Tran said:
Tell that to Ant-Man 3 which couldn't crack $500M when they put everything into marketing Kang as their new Thanos. That was a huge flop. Eternals was a flop too. There's been a few.
Point is, movies have to be good to do well. Period. If they suck then audience will probably treat them like they suck.
Quantumania and eternals still broke 400 even with bad reception. Also quantumania grossed very near to the first ant man film. Its not thr collapse you think it is. Thr budget was the problem.
That keans that the mcus floor is far higher than dc. Shazam is one of the biggest bombs in the genre
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7 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:
If this underperforms, I feel like that would be a more compelling argument than anything that they would be better off giving up on trying to chase that MCU money. The decision to adapt Flashpoint was already a conscious attempt to move away from the Snyderverse, while still keeping what worked, and Gunn has made it sound like that’s still the plan, except that he’s apparently going to take it even further.
WB has been trying to get a DC cinematic universe off the ground for well over a decade at this point, and they’ve never been able to truly pull it off. I genuinely don’t know if there’s still a demand for this stuff. Sure, GotG 3 has been doing pretty well, but that’s fairly disconnected from the larger narrative of the MCU, and even then, it’s been getting by on good word of mouth, rather than pre-release hype.
Of course, if this movie does well, then I suppose that might be a moot point. If it’s a critical and commercial success, then that might be the shot in the arm that DC needs. If so, then I think they wouldn’t have much of an excuse not to keep Sasha Calle. If she’s the breakout star, then they might as well keep her as the DCU’s Supergirl.
Zaslav has name dropped the MCU as the model they are trying to replicate at least 6 times since the beginning of the year. They are still chasing the MCU and they always will cause that's the success they want.
Gotg had an elgreat woman but also had a 120 million opening. It wouldn't happen if it wasn't in association with the brand. The last 6 MCU movies have opened with 100+ million. Eternal which lost money opened with 80, a bunch of z listens at best. The MCU brand power drives those openings. That's what Zaslav wants.
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11 minutes ago, ChipDerby said:
You could just not post in this thread if you have no interest in DC films.
When did I say that I didn't have interest in DC films? My entire point is that the ga audience has lost interest and the accumulated damage DC has done to its brand it's more long term than people think. Unless somebody you want to debate whether most DC films if the past 25-30 years have been failures or extremely controversial. Which isn't really debatable.
The Batman was my favorite cbms of 2022 and I loved yes and the first Wonder Woman. This isn't about me, it's about the indifference of the general audience
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2 hours ago, YM! said:
so Fantastic Four should be doomed by that logic yes?
no because the MCU is the most successful franchise of all time and they have a goodwill amassed over 15 years. A couple of poorly received films isn't gonna erase all the successful ones.
Almost 70% of DC films are either panned, flopped or both. It's a completely different scenario than f4 which won't blow the roof either. I doubt anyone at marvel expects more than 500-600 million
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12 minutes ago, 21C said:
The brand damage the DC brand has is not irreparable by any means. Look how Aquaman did, look how Joker did, look how The Batman did.
Two of those are not in the DCEU, but neither will the new films either, so they're a fair comparison.
Dark Universe is a uniquely bad example because no one and I mean no one is interested on the idea of having Dracula x The Mummy crossovers. It was a horrible idea from the get-go.
If the DCU movies are good and look appealing, I wouldn't rule out interest increasing organically, especially if it has an interesting over-arching stories.
I am very concerned at Gunn trying obscure characters like The Authority right after Superman. But aside from that...
If Superman Legacy is good, that'll give Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow a good shot.
If Brave and the Bold plays its cards correctly, it'll make bank because it's Batman. (Though that movie has an uphill battle introducing yet another Batman and coming in-between Pattinson's movies, but whatever, they just need to hire a good director that can give audiences what they've come to expect from Batman movies while giving a new comic-booky spin on it)
Swamp Thing is probably gonna be lower budget so that's pretty safe if it's good.
I say it's all worth a shot.
You did not just use freaking Batman and Joker as examples of the DC brand NOT being damaged. The two most popular DC characters along with superman. If a batman movie or a joker movie had flopped then DC would be in even WORSE shape than I thought it would be.
The only legit example here is aquaman and it's just one example over so many characters flopping or underperforming. The worst performing mcu movie still outgrossed most DC movies in the past 5 years. There is legit DC brand damage
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3 minutes ago, 21C said:
I mean the idea is that the interest would come organically. If Superman Legacy is good, and then The Authority is good, and Brave and the Bold is good, and Supergirl and Swamp Thing, interest will increase on its own. There's probably bigger interest for a DC reboot now than there was for a Marvel Cinematic Universe in 2008 with Iron Man, Captain America, Thor and Hulk.
No, there isn't. Not with all the duds DC has put out. There would be in 2008 before Green Lantern, Jonah hex and the dceu.
That's like saying there is bigger interest for a dark universe now after the Mummy flopped. There isn't. Or a bigger transformer interest now cause the bay movies were bad. Yet Bumblebee barely broke even and Rise of the Beasts isn't looking too hot right now? Why, cause of brand damage...
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Some of you here brushing off consecutive DC movies underperformance as "more proof than Gunn needed to reboot" is very tunnel visioned.
If this underperforms and then aquaman after it then, why would audiences be excited and invested in another shared DC universe, the third attempt in 13 years? Continuous damage to the brand isn't gonna erased if Legacy is successful. There is an entire generation of people who has connected DC with lesser quality with only few movies in the past 25 years being well received and successful. Seriously, it's only the Dark Knight Trilogy, wonder woman, joker, batman, aquaman and maybe shazam. 8 movies in 30 years!!!!
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1 hour ago, belblazer said:
I think nobody posted this.
This is music to my ears.
What is music exactly? The president of DC who has a massive stakes in every DC related project being successful and especially this one which resets the entire universe, praised the film? He is the most biased one for a number of reasons.
The whole "Gunn is Transparent" and never lies to the fans is bs. There are numerous occasions where he has lied.
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On 5/21/2023 at 8:05 AM, Ryan Reynolds said:
The Flash doing well does not mean Superhero Fatigue isn't a thing, i believe A-list superhero characters will continue to do well as long as not total trash, but others may struggle, The Flash is said to be a love letter to the whole DC universe
since when were Dr strange, guardians, Thor or black panther a-listers? Marvel made them a listens. The notion that only a listens are now safe is ridiculous. All of those putgross most DC characters as well?
The MCU should never stop trying to make lesser characters break out.
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On 5/20/2023 at 8:31 PM, Napoleon said:
It's sad that online talk about the DCEU, especially the Zack Snyder films, have become so toxic that a lot of people won't have an honest discussion about this. But you're absolutely right. There was a lot of doom and gloom about the BVS reception and box office legs, but the predictions didn't materialize until after Snyder left and WB gave the complete creative control to someone else. Following BVS, Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman broke opening records and were huge worldwide. Aquaman also became their biggest movie worldwide following Justice League. To me it doesn't make any sense to claim the Snyder films ruined the DCEU and are responsible for the box office bombs that happened so many years later, like the Shazam and Suicide Squad sequels. I hope one day people here can admit that. Ideally, The Flash would be the movie to finally unite every segment of the DC fandom, as the movie does seem to please everyone, though I'm not really expecting that because people online love negativity.
Bvs was such a disappointment that it caused an internal wb and DC shift with John's and Berg taking control. It literally caused executives to be replaced. That's a pretty big sign of the movie causing damage.
Also suicide squads reception was one of the main reasons birds of prey flopped. Also mos grossed 660 million on a 225 budget. Just because the movies after Snyder bombed it doesn't mean that the movies under him weren't disappointments. Justice league opening weekend kept track g lower each week without anyone knowing about the whole Whedon mess
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3 hours ago, Krissykins said:
You weren’t talking about audience scores though, you were talking about critics reviews. WW84 had a better CinemaScore than both Eternals and Quantumania and also Dark Phoenix and Morbius. Don’t think it’s a good comparison for those films that were received, overall, more poorly.
ww84 has worse audience scores than wuantumania and eternal everywhere. if we add all the thousands of votes from letterboxes or imdb it's a bigger sample than cinemascore. it's far worse received than either those movies
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39 minutes ago, Issac Newton said:
After seeing reception across Asia, I am calling it a new beginning! Phase V might have start slow but should end up better than Phase IV
There is no need for any new beginning. Phase 4 was successful abd 80% of the movies had profit
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38 minutes ago, thajdikt said:
Finally a MCU movie again where WOM seems strong worldwide
You mean like wakanda forever from 6 months ago?
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9 hours ago, Krissykins said:
I’m noticing a theme in your comparisons lol. Why is WW84 there, it’s way ahead of the others with critics. But Quantumania and Eternals both had worse reviews than WW84 & Shazam 2. WW84 is still at 71% with Top Critics as well, but we won’t start that argument again.
Anyway, GOTG3 is excellent. Go and see it, because it doesn’t deserve to underperform at the box office.
ww84 audience scores are some of the worse in recent years for a cbms. it has a 5.3 on imdb, that's worse than suicide squad and on Par with dark phoenix and Morbius. So yes eternal and wuantumania got worse reviews (all 3 are rotten though) but ww84 audience scores from imdb, letterboxd and rt are legit the worse a cbm had gotten in the past 4 years
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51 minutes ago, JohnnyGossamer said:
You don't think the overwhelming majority of people consider Thor 2 bad? I know some love it but not many. Has aged pretty poorly too. Endgame did its best to prop it up a bit I guess?
Bad? No. Underwhelming or OK. The truly bad cbms are usually the rotten ones. Shazam, black Adam, dark phoenix, bvs, new mutants, John, ww84
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18 minutes ago, JohnnyGossamer said:
Fair enough I more so meant movies that many didn't consider good even if they did well enough financially... Thor 2, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Eternals... Those kind of movies. Ant-man 3 I actually think is even worse than those even. Maybe not Thor 2 but not far off. That movie was a disaster. They put Peyton Reed in an element completely out of character for what he'd done right with the first two.
Of the movies you mentioned only Eternal and rih would fit the bill and Hulk only financially. Iron Man 2 got a worse reception than the first which happens in almost every sequel. What the internet considers good or bad is ridiculous to me as most takes aren't in good faith anymore. People have decided which movies are masterpieces months in advance.
In theory Iron Man 3 is divisive. In reality there is nothing to support this.
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32 minutes ago, JohnnyGossamer said:
Quantumania would've been poorly received in any era. It's just not very good. Arguably the worst MCU film among the other 4 or 5 complete duds they've had out of 30+ movies.
The mcu doesnt have 5 duds lmao. A dud is a critical abd financial flop. Only 2 movies come to mind out of the entire mcu
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1 hour ago, froztking said:
looks like great audience wom is helping to bring back the brand value back this one should have released after wakanda forever ! now marvel can't bottle secret invasion nd loki or echo what ever gonna rls after that nd for the marvels f$ck the box office they should make sure that movie gets good reviews ! marvel can not do anything wrong next yr ! they r back to phase 1 nd make sure they earn the interest back
You are overreacting. Most of the shows and movies have been well received and they introduced fan favorite characters. The idea that marvel needs to have everything coming up be a horrible is ridiculous. They need to be entertaining and have fun characters.
The Flash | June 16 2023 | Ezra Miller, Michael Keaton | We’re stoping the count at a Nice 69% RT (it’s 72% For Real) | Please Remember that Your Enjoyment Of The Film is Not Based On Others Opinions And To Be Nice To Each Other
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This is the 4th time you personally for insult me in this thread btw