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    Dreamworks Animation: What Went Wrong?

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    I brought up "Delgo" to mean DW isn't the 99th ranking company in the animated field. Of course, you took that and misread it and twisted it to mean something else.Thanks for being objective.Edit: I know you'd like to me to say Pixar is the best but IMO it isn't true anymore. All you have to do is look at the last couple of years to prove my point. The slate of DW is more interesting but Pixar's is into sequels now (something JL made fun of DW for back then).Edit2: Let me be clear, I'm not saying DW is the better studio either, we should judge their next movies on their merits and not by who made them.

    Why would you bring up Delgo if tribe had already conceded DWA had "stepped up its game" (which you just said is "all you were saying") unless you were trying to make it sound again like people were once again unfairly casting DWA as some third rate studio? Also if you would stop trying to make us the enemy you'd actually find we're closer in our views than you think. We've all agreed Pixar built up a stellar reputation and the gold standard based on their strong start in the past decade, but have been "sputtering" as of late because of poor decisions on where to go... We've all agreed DWA started off slowly but have been coming on strong as of late, even exceeding Pixar at times in the last few years. We agree their upcoming slate looks very interesting and we've even said we look forward to some of them more than some of the Pixar slate.Views being that close doesn't warrant this level of argument where you're calling people out on "bullshit," especially if the main disagreement was about exactly where each studio stood currently but everything else was pretty much agreed upon. It was a bit much for just inches IMO.
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    Dreamworks Animation: What Went Wrong?

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    I've read it. You guys started off with the disagreement, you got a little heated so it escalated, you threw in the whole "stop comparing it to Delgo" to show how mean tribe was being again, then you never really answered tribe at the end when it sounded like you both agreed on the rankings of Pixar and DWA in the first place.Wasn't even commenting on the content. I was commenting on the playbook, which is straight out of 2007.

    Dreamworks Animation: What Went Wrong?

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    :lol: Yeah I remember clearly now. iEye gets in a discussion, escalates it by getting heated, acts innocent when he gets called out on it ("what? Just a friendly discussion if you disregard my cursing"), plays the victim because of all the Pixar meanies picking on him, make sure he gets the last word. So far so good?So what was "wrong" about what I said then?

    Dreamworks Animation: What Went Wrong?

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    Oh, so you get where Tribe is coming from so why not take a stab at where I'm coming from?

    I get where tribe is coming from because you've gotten into a similar thing with me before. I know where you're coming from because after one of our discussions like this and things finally cooled down you said that it just irks you when Pixar fans say the same stuff over and over again and you just get passionate about that, that's all. All I said was I've been where tribe was, and I don't want to get dragged into another one of these because it's late and it's just the same mess over again and the animation regulars here have heard my say hundreds of times already...
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    Dreamworks Animation: What Went Wrong?

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    Let me be clear to the both of you, it is true that Pixar has ruled in animation but to pretend it will do so forever is bullshit. All I see is cheerleading but let's look at the last two years for example. DW has put out four movies vs. Pixar's two. All of DW movies have cost less to make, they were better received critically and they've made more than Pixar's globally and it took twice the effort with twice the risk without having a mothers skirt to be under.It's fine by me if you want to project Pixar's past and expect the same for it in the future but anecdotal evidence seems to indicate there is turmoil going on at the studio. I think their future slate except for a few are uninspired and unnecessary, JL is spread to thin, directors firings can't be good, one of their best directors isn't interested in animation right now and another director had to fail before he would get back in the chair. I would hardly call all of this shit happening a moral booster for the studio.Look, I have no problem with Pixar cheerleading but why must there be anti-DW sentiment to go along with it? Do the both of those things have to happen in order to make your favorite standout?Tribe, you asked me to meet you half way but I'm curious to know what that half way mark is to you?Edit: This is supposed to be a club for DW but frankly, I think someone should rename it because there seems to be more things said against it instead of for it.Edit2: I am pretty busy at the moment so if there is a reply to my post, don't expect a quick response.

    Okay well this is probably what tribe meant and what I alluded to and I didn't want to go there again but fine.Had you been reading any of our posts in the Pixar club or Cars 2 threads, you'd see that we pretty much said what you said. What is befuddling is when something like this comes up, you start pigeonholing us as these Über Pixar fanatics who trash DWA all the time, completely disregarding what we've said in the past, and ignoring that when we bring it up to prove your point.Just chillax. We've said DWA was great. There's a lot of getting worked up over minor differences here.
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    Dreamworks Animation: What Went Wrong?

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    With all the movies DWA is about to make, maybe they can be the first one to produce a movie geared more to an older audience (rated R, with cursing, maybe violence with blood and guts, maybe a love scene if they're feeling frisky)... Use Guillermo del Toro to the fullest while you have him there! I'm sure it will be controversial at first and people will think, why would they do that, it will bomb because no kid can see it and few adults will want to see it because it's a cartoon.... But if they want to keep the marketplace unsaturated, might as well expand the medium so people stop saying animation is a genre, a kiddie genre! DWA can say, it's NOT a kiddie genre, here, check THIS out, then melt people's faces!!

    Dreamworks Animation: What Went Wrong?

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    The downside I do see is over saturation, which would hurt not only DWA but also the other high cost animation studios. Illumination and Blue Sky will be okay because their movies are cheap, but I doubt Pixar and Disney will be able to compete if their movies keep costing around $200m because it will be harder and harder to make that at the box office.

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