Bond Bug
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Allegedly, they saved 20 million in tax incentives and rebates, by choosing Mexico as one of the locations.
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Spectre is on target to overtake Quantum of Solace's total gross on Friday and Casino Royale on Saturday.
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21 minutes ago, Goffe said:
350m budget, 150m marketing at the very least (the norm for a big blockbuster), the studio only gets 50% of the gross, China gross being a bigger piece of the cake (which would mean less money since the studio only takes 25% from it). There is still the hefty producers' fee that we know nothing about.
I'm sure ancillary revenue will make up for it, though.
It seems you are now saying they will not lose money with Spectre?
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2 hours ago, Goffe said:
They will lose money with Spectre, the question is only how much.
It needs 1b WW to profit, and upon seeing the critical reception, I doubt it will get anywhere near that number.
The Bond movies are heavily subsidized by sponsors. They make so much money that they TURNED DOWN $50 million from Sony. There is no way they can lose.
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3 hours ago, dudalb said:
But a lot of the "Pompous critics" complaint is that SPECTRE is just not as much fun as SKYFALL. THere is also a fair amount of fans who are dissapointed in the film.
If being a "True Bond Fan" means I have to blindly praise every BOnd film,then I don;t want to be a True fan. Some Bond movies....A View To A Kill, Die Another Day,and Moonraker were very dissapointing with View being just plain bad. And QOS was very mediocre. I love James BOnd, but ,like true conniseurs,I know when an 007 film is not very good...or worse.
I agree, but personal taste and personal expectations should not be confused with quality. What is the difference between about 50% (USA) and 80% (UK) positive reviews? To me, the difference is one group is taking the Bond movies way too seriously.
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3 hours ago, John Marston said:
Missing 200m a possibility? That would be one of the biggest disappointments of all time
That's not going to happen. This is James Bond. The strength of the brand, especially with Craig, mitigates reviews that may not be great. The pompous critics who compare it unfavorably to Skyfall miss the whole point of Bond, which is to have fun and enjoy the ride.
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8 hours ago, SchumacherFTW said:
Which part? All sounds plausible to me.
I refuse to believe Star Wars will gross more than Bond in the UK! Please don't let it be true.
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2 hours ago, The Dark Alfred said:
Tuesday £2.6m. 10% increase from Monday. £80m is a lock, but Skyfall is safe...until SW anyway. It will beat Spectre easily, industry insiders all expect £90m minimum. What a year ?
I REFUSE to believe it!
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32 minutes ago, Jay Salahi said:
My 2 buddies saw it and both said they liked it more than Skyfall, so thats enough for me. Excited to do my Craig Marathon this week.
Also both IMAX shows at Universal City Walk are sold out. I was surprised when I couldn't get tickets. thats 1,000 tickets at 21 bucks a pop right there.
Good. I am sure the snobby critics aren't impressed that it makes so many nods to previous Bond movies. I have read several of those kind of reviews, and many on this forum think that it must be doomed. However, what matters is whether the audience enjoy it, not the critics.
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The movie made more in that little place called UK than North America ($3.3 v $3.2m) last weekend. And in the UK, Sandra Bullock is not the megastar she is in America, and Crisis was up against the record-breaking Spectre. I think this shows some terrible marketing, or lack of it. Ironic, as marketing is one of the themes explored in the movie.
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2 hours ago, The Dark Alfred said:
Sat £6.7, cume £34.7. Most films dropping over 60%, Martian over 70%, HT2 35%.
Amazing! By next weekend it should have taken more than the total run for QOS and Casino Royale.
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2 hours ago, TalismanRing said:
The dropoff is going to be bigger. It's RT critic rating will be probably be down in the 60s and it's audience ratings on IMDB and RT are already at 7.6 and 77% . Maybe Casino Royale to QOS.
Skyfall was similar on IMDB, at 7.8, so why all the doom and gloom?
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2 hours ago, kayumanggi said:
Spectre nudges Daniel Craig's rebooted Bond closer to the glorious, action-driven spectacle of earlier entries, although it's admittedly reliant on established 007 formula.
Which is why it isn't getting over 90 percent on Rotten Tomatoes. But is it delivering what the audience want? That is what matters. I see other posters think that 77% may hold it back. I don't think so.
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1 hour ago, MovieMan89 said:
In a lot of ways there's a perfect storm of the opposite nature for this movie. I can see it doing worse than any of our expectations. Marketing has been a shell of Skyfall's brilliant campaign, reviews are ho-hum, all anyone wants to talk about is Star Wars right now, and besides that MJ2 and TGD could be dominating the box office by Thanksgiving giving it virtually no opportunity for legs. If this doesn't at least open within earshot of Skyfall, I'd expect the worst.
It's James Bond. That's all the audience need to know. What is there for people to talk about? It's not like the 1980s or 1990s when Bond was overshadowed by other action genre movies. The reviews are in the same ballpark as Avatar. There is huge goodwill from Skyfall. I don't see it doing badly in comparison.
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On 10/28/2015, 4:57:19, solaris said:
I dunno - Skyfall's performance at the UK box office is a pretty big outlier. All of the Craig Bonds have been huge - Casino Royale was the 6th biggest film ever at the UK box office at time of release, QoS was 11th. Skyfall capitalised on a number of factors:
- The huge success of CR & QoS at the box office, home video & on TV. The Craig Bond era is essentially a franchise in it's own right - and a huge one.
- Casino Royale was (and remains) a beloved film critically and to the moviegoing public- Skyfall was ultimately seen as the true sequel to this (in the sense that QoS was CR part 2).
- Pent up demand after four years with no Bond film.
- The 'special' factors - Olympics, Adele, 50th Anniversary.
- Skyfall also just had a certain 'watercooler' appeal - say what you want about the film but Mendes and co did a great job of creating something memorable after the charisma vacuum of QoS. The blend of Craig-era grit with classic Bond motifs, combined with the novelty of having M as the Bond girl, the Home Alone-esque finale, Silva's entrance (and flirtation with Bond) all added up to something that transcended the usual (and already very wide) Bond audience in the UK.
Hence, a film which opened to a huge £20m was able to sustain massive numbers on subsequent weekends and get to a 5 multiplier. This is definitely not 'the new normal'.
We're seeing crazy numbers for Spectre's opening as a result of this pent up demand, but I just can't see it getting to that £100m mark. £80m feels like a reasonable target on the strength of this opening (good for top 3 all time UK) but I think legs will quickly get cut down and w're probably looking at something more like £70-£75m (good for top 5).
The fact that we're throwing HUGE numbers like this around so casually is a testament to the strength of Craig's Bond over here, but let's not take Skyfall's unique run for granted.
Many things aligned for Skyfall, but ultimately it was huge because Bond is cool again, and Bond is spectacular and thrilling entertainment in a league of its own, just as it was in the 60s and 70s, before it got lost among many other action movies. Quantum of Solace was not as well received and may have held Skyfall back. This time the new Bond flick follows a well-liked episode that broke records. As a result, the audience is bigger, people are more confident and have more anticipation. That is more important than James Bond at the Olympics and all the other Skyfall marketing stuff.
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15 minutes ago, peludo said:
According my last calculation, about $980m, but it was some months ago. Anyway, I do not think that number has changed substantially.
That number would be taking into account the record in UK and $300m in US. If we consider that Spectre can drop about $50m in each market relative to Skyfall, we would have that Spectre would be doing about $880m. Even considering that Spectre can sell the same amount of admissions in the rest of markets than Skyfall (mainly France and Germany), what I think is unlikely, it needs another $120m increase in Latin America / China to get the billion. There are chances, but I see it difficult.
Why would it be unlikely that Spectre doesn't match the admissions of Skyfall?
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59 minutes ago, SchumacherFTW said:
Skyfall had the ultimate perfect storm with the Olympic coverage, the 50th anniversary, a lot of hyperbole about it being the best one yet, and people in general were really up for going to see Movies in 2012. Plus the opening weekend fueled the half term week that followed giving it a £50m 10 day total. Spectre in comparison only has 6.5 days with the same number of people available to see it. I'm not denying it'll be big, but it beating Skyfall just will not happen.
I agree that Skyfall had a lot going for it, but I think the impact of James Bond parachuting into the Olympics is widely over-exaggerated. I also think Skyfall set the bar, not as a high-water mark as far as box office goes, but as the new normal.
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4 minutes ago, solaris said:
That's crazy.
To put that into context, that would be roughly equivalent to a film doing $400m or so in the first 7 days in the US.
Or to put it another way, an OW on the scale of AoU after 4 days of burnt off demand.
$100m UK is done - 2 x 7day opening (approx $120m) would be a great target
We are talking about the sequel to the all time highest grossing movie in the UK. The rule book was thrown away for Skyfall. James Bond has been pushed into a different league. Why assume the new Bond flick will follow any rules?
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3 hours ago, SchumacherFTW said:
Skyfall got a 5x multiplier from the second biggest opening weekend of all time. Whatever way you look at it, getting anywhere near that is very very tough.
It does not have to get a 5x multiplier to beat Skyfall in the UK, if 1/ it opens on a Monday, not a Friday, and/or 2/ It has a bigger opening weekend.
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16 hours ago, Bernie86 said:
Incredible, is it possible to beat the 161 Mio. $ of Skyfall in U.K?
I don't see any good reason why it isn't possible. I think it likely.
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People enjoy Bond vicariously. You can give him character flaws to make him relatable, but as soon as the audience stops wanting to be/fuck Bond then the film crumbles. It's supposed to be an onscreen fantasy.
This is also why Indiana Jones movies with an old Harrison Ford didn't and will continue to not work.
Very good point.
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"Even more stunt doubles and creepy kissing scenes, please!"
Well, Bond is human and humans do age. Okay, so Bond could get out of breath. He could use his cane instead of his fists. Everything is too easy for Bond right now. Give him a back back! Give him Viagra! Give him a cane instead of fists. But the important thing is that he could use his wits instead of his brawn. He could be more human.
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Craig has always looked older than his age, but in this ad he's looking older than Moore in A View To A Kill. I wonder if he'll make Lea a quiche?
On the bright side unlike Moore he's still in shape enough to do his own fighting, running and jumping.
Very true, but for me, Roger Moore could have carried on into his 60s and Daniel Craig can too!
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Yeah they can photoshop one image, but they can't change the fact that she looks unrecognisable now.
She stopped doing movies for five years, that combined with the 12 year gap between movies is just going to cripple this film at the box office. Dead franchise, dead actor, dead box office.
To many, Bridget Jones is the most witty and funny romantic comedy franchises ever. Hardly dead.
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I am sure it is possible to make a perfect Bond movie, but I have not seen it yet.