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RED SPARROW | 03.02.18 | Fox | Jennifer Lawrence
ChrisTelclear replied to kayumanggi's topic in Box Office Discussion
She made a comment, I forget where, that they paid her a BUNCH of money. Remember, this was negotiated before Passengers was released, and her quote at that time was $20M. So that might be what you're seeing, a $60M movie, but with JLaw it's $70M. -
RED SPARROW | 03.02.18 | Fox | Jennifer Lawrence
ChrisTelclear replied to kayumanggi's topic in Box Office Discussion
That's kind of what I'm seeing, B/C, except for people who can't get past the content. I think the Cinemascore will be a C+/B-, a serviceable spy thriller with some violent sexual content. Death Wish might get a better Cinemascore because only people who know what it's about already are going to see it. They either should've added even more sex and violence and went for broke, or just added some action sequences, not AB level, but just a couple. If this were to somehow get a sequel I would tell them to just go for broke and screw the exploitation police. I'll know better when I see it, but from listening to Francis Lawrence it sounded like he was being very cautious. Part of that was probably because of JLaw, part of it because he was trying to avoid a backlash. I don't think the marketing was the problem, if you watched it there was very little action in the trailers, the shower scene is the only one I ever saw. I think it was the media with the Black Widow & Atomic Blonde comparisons that made that case. I kept reading she was going to be a badass and all. Not what this movie was supposed to be. -
RED SPARROW | 03.02.18 | Fox | Jennifer Lawrence
ChrisTelclear replied to kayumanggi's topic in Box Office Discussion
Nevermind, it had kicked me out of my account, didn't even notice. -
RED SPARROW | 03.02.18 | Fox | Jennifer Lawrence
ChrisTelclear replied to kayumanggi's topic in Box Office Discussion
Something odd, I can't rate it. I tried to vote as a want to see last week and it wouldn't let me. Just tried again, just to see if it would let me rate it, and it won't. Is anybody else able to get in to at least attempt to rate it? -
RED SPARROW | 03.02.18 | Fox | Jennifer Lawrence
ChrisTelclear replied to kayumanggi's topic in Box Office Discussion
I think you're right, JLaw is a favorite target of the Trumpers. -
RED SPARROW | 03.02.18 | Fox | Jennifer Lawrence
ChrisTelclear replied to kayumanggi's topic in Box Office Discussion
That might have been the reason for the early embargo lift. It's possible Fox asked a few critics in early, ones they thought would give it favorable reviews, knowing of course they couldn't predict what the reviews would be. It kind of worked for a couple of weeks. Anyway, this dissipated the reviews and watered down the reactions in the headlines. In other words, they didn't want the headlines this weekend to be about the reviews. These types of movies are always going to be problematic. Unless they are done by auteurs like Fincher or Aronofsky, this much violence and sexual assault is going to bring a lot of hate. Francis Lawrence is a solid workmanlike director, but he's not in that masterclass and when he takes on complex movies, which he keeps doing, it's never a home run. His crowning jewel was HG CF, and that was already well into pre-production when he took it over. I think maybe he's just too nice a guy to be a great director, most of them are demanding pricks. -
RED SPARROW | 03.02.18 | Fox | Jennifer Lawrence
ChrisTelclear replied to kayumanggi's topic in Box Office Discussion
I've been tracking these, there are very few reviews like this, in fact most have thought the sex and violence was handled very well, including some female critics. -
RED SPARROW | 03.02.18 | Fox | Jennifer Lawrence
ChrisTelclear replied to kayumanggi's topic in Box Office Discussion
Yeah, no shit. Smart move by Fox. Apparently this is some deal they have for 6 films, this is the second one, not sure which one was the first. Good movie, cheap tickets make for an effective promotion, and that fills seats. -
RED SPARROW | 03.02.18 | Fox | Jennifer Lawrence
ChrisTelclear replied to kayumanggi's topic in Box Office Discussion
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RED SPARROW | 03.02.18 | Fox | Jennifer Lawrence
ChrisTelclear replied to kayumanggi's topic in Box Office Discussion
I'm trying to figure out how he got away with tweeting this, he must've gotten permission from Fox because the embargo doesn't end until Thursday midnight. -
RED SPARROW | 03.02.18 | Fox | Jennifer Lawrence
ChrisTelclear replied to kayumanggi's topic in Box Office Discussion
It seems they are screening this everywhere on the planet. If it's any good the word will spread quickly. It also needs good reviews. -
RED SPARROW | 03.02.18 | Fox | Jennifer Lawrence
ChrisTelclear replied to kayumanggi's topic in Box Office Discussion
We need to know the final budget before we can answer that, but maybe 4x the budget? For a budget of $50M what would be $200M WW. -
RED SPARROW | 03.02.18 | Fox | Jennifer Lawrence
ChrisTelclear replied to kayumanggi's topic in Box Office Discussion
Fox has been doing the adult hard R for a while now, they know what the risk is and I would suspect they kept the budget as low as possible. I think Deadpool was was $60M. I can't imagine they paid more than that for this one. Let's say $60M, and it could be even a bit lower, if it wasn't starring JLaw it would definitely have been less. I think the movie Blake Lively is making, also a spy movie, has a $50M budget. Atomic Blond was like what? $30M? They probably want to be able to break even as low as $50M Dom and $100M international. Both of which I feel are safe bets unless it's a complete turd, and that seems unlikely. -
RED SPARROW | 03.02.18 | Fox | Jennifer Lawrence
ChrisTelclear replied to kayumanggi's topic in Box Office Discussion
That was either bad information, or Fox hadn't decided whether to go for it yet. The teaser confirms that it's running during the SB. -
RED SPARROW | 03.02.18 | Fox | Jennifer Lawrence
ChrisTelclear replied to kayumanggi's topic in Box Office Discussion
Ah, I see what you're saying. -
RED SPARROW | 03.02.18 | Fox | Jennifer Lawrence
ChrisTelclear replied to kayumanggi's topic in Box Office Discussion
The brown wig looks pretty good, but the blond one not so much. -
RED SPARROW | 03.02.18 | Fox | Jennifer Lawrence
ChrisTelclear replied to kayumanggi's topic in Box Office Discussion
You may be right, but when you look at that first link you have to remember that most of those books are from TV/Movies that have already been released and are hits. Some are Stephen King, some are Harry Potter, those were enormous hits, and have been out many years. One could argue that the fact it's showing up with that elite company is a positive sign. -
RED SPARROW | 03.02.18 | Fox | Jennifer Lawrence
ChrisTelclear replied to kayumanggi's topic in Box Office Discussion
This just in from AwardsWatch. This would fit with what Francis Lawrence has been saying about the hard R. -
RED SPARROW | 03.02.18 | Fox | Jennifer Lawrence
ChrisTelclear replied to kayumanggi's topic in Box Office Discussion
Francis Lawrence said he decided to go with a light Russian accent. A good light accent is preferable for clarity. Anyway, if they wanted to make a realistic version then the Russians in the movie, and there are a lot of them, would all be speaking Russian to each other with subtitles. -
All we have is bits and pieces. The basic description is a couples tranquil existence is interrupted by uninvited guests. That could be just about anything, but here's what we know: Bardem and Lawrence are a couple, and it appears Pfeiffer and Harris might be a couple, possibly JLaw's parents, but we really don't know for sure. This is based on some descriptions by someone who shot a scene with them. There's a really bizarre scene that may involve rape, or some sort of violence, involving Bardem and Lawrence. The scene has been described by various extras and others involved in the shoot. There was a shot of bugs on a table at one point, and we know there are some digital effects because Aronofsky was lamenting he has to shoot with digital cameras to accommodate the EFX and didn't like it much. Beyond that, we've got nothing.