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December 11, 2021

25 minutes ago, John Marston said:

yes and this one will massively drop from

that

It's likely going to do between 400-550 mil ww. I agree that it will drop down from the previous movie but not as big as some think.

December 1, 2021

1 hour ago, Noctis said:

It's 3:25pm in Japan now...we should be getting at least some info in 6 hours. I can't imagine holding something for 200+ people and not showing actual footage.

I do find it weird how they decided to have this little mini event in Tokyo instead of having it in the UK or US, from what I understand the movie doesn't even take place in Japan at all so not sure why there's a fan event over there of all places. I'd say there's about a 50/50 chance the/a trailer is released, I wont be all to surprised if this is just a very exclusive fan event for just that small group of people to see some footage from the movie and nothing else.

November 24, 2021

7 minutes ago, Jak Ryan Drake Campbell said:

This guy is mad.

The plot seems very large,.. He saw the whole movie ??

He knows people who went to test screenings, dont know if he himself actually saw a test screening of it. Like I said in my previous post there's no way he has or has seen the actual official script for the film, just compiled together plot details from what people have told him and put it into a document to make it look like an actual script.

November 24, 2021

7 minutes ago, eddyxx said:

I don’t even give a fuck about this franchise but @ViewerAnonis a fucking moron lmao I hope you enjoy getting sued.

Can someone even get sued for something like this? This isn't like those Spider Man leaks a few weeks ago with actual pictures, it's just a document with bullet points assembled to make it look like a script, but it's not like he found the actual script and posted it online.

Plus unlike John Campea he's not what I'd call a public persona with his real name out there and a considerable following, he just a random small time insider who gets told behind the scenes stuff occasionally and shares it.

November 8, 2021

2 hours ago, Jak Ryan Drake Campbell said:

Let them take their time and get us the heavy artillery.

Any idea of the budget for this third opus? I think they must have gone down a bit, CoG was at $ 200M, this one must be at $ 160 / 170M like the first one.

I have to imagine the budget went slightly down on this. I feel like getting rid of Depp reduced the budget ever so slightly by a few million, and covid/pandemic filming also might have caused them to reduce the amount of CGI heavy or otherwise extravagant scenes they likely would have done in the before times.

September 26, 2021

We likely wont see a trailer for this until late October or mid November. Although in retrospect I'm surprised they didn't just release the title when a trailer/teaser was ready, knock two birds out with one stone.

2 hours ago, titanic2187 said:

How can a marvel of 2000s turn into a big mess such as this one ?? They plan too big....

Warner Brothers. They've shown multiple times now that they have difficulty creating movies that are a part of a grander story, and get better results when they do more standalone things that are allowed to breathe and be their own thing like Shazam, Aquaman, The Suicide Squad (2021), Birds of Prey, etc.

September 22, 2021

The synopsis from The Crimes of Grindelwald

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In an effort to thwart Grindelwald's plans of raising pure-blood wizards to rule over all non-magical beings, Albus Dumbledore enlists his former student Newt Scamander, who agrees to help, unaware of the dangers that lie ahead. Lines are drawn as love and loyalty are tested, even among the truest friends and family, in an increasingly divided wizarding world.

The synopsis for The Secrets of Dumbledore

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Professor Albus Dumbledore knows the powerful Dark wizard Gellert Grindelwald is moving to seize control of the wizarding world. Unable to stop him alone, he entrusts Magizoologist Newt Scamander to lead an intrepid team of wizards, witches and one brave Muggle baker on a dangerous mission, where they encounter old and new beasts and clash with Grindelwald’s growing legion of followers. But with the stakes so high, how long can Dumbledore remain on the sidelines?

With comparing the two synopsis, at least the new one is a bit more specific about the plot of the movie; Dumbledore is sending Newton on a mission with other wizards and will be fighting against Grindelwald followers. Okay, an improvement over the previous movie synopsis which as you can see was rather vague and didn't have much specifics beyond Dumbledore is asking Newt for help.

If nothing else this third movie needs to have a better and more discernible throughline. If the movie is gonna be about Newton on a mission for Dumbledore then keep that as the main part, don't constantly keep cutting back and forth between characters to the point where we don't know who we're supposed to be following because that was a big problem with the last one.

September 13, 2021

7 hours ago, MikeQ said:

Absolutely. It's also just such a wasted franchise, IMO. As a big Harry Potter fan, I've been disappointed with 'Fantastic Beasts' since the first film. It doesn't know what it wants to be. I genuinely wish they would scrap it, and start fresh with a new movie/franchise or TV show. I'm not invested in this, anymore, and can't muster up much excitement. It's not a great feeling.

Peace,

Mike

Tbh even if they did scrap this and start of something I'm not sure I would be interested unless they brought in some new creative talents. I think one of the issues these movies have been having is that they've used pretty much the exact creative team the Potter movies had, and I can understand why Warner Brothers initially would've seen that as a benefit but now to me it feels like a detriment.

David Yates has been directing in the HP franchise for 10 years now, that's crazy when you think about. He did the last four Potter movies and now three Fantastic Beasts movies and it's starting to show that he has few tricks left up his sleeve or any real interest in taking risks.

And Rowling being directly involved in the writing process for these was a big mistake as well, she also has shown that her creative talents aren't as great as they once or were ever thought to be. At this point I'd rather she not be involved in anything Potter related and give control over to new talent, that would get me interested.

August 17, 2021

13 minutes ago, Rogerio said:

But you know.. after the reaction from the first screening, the movie looked so boring; and based on interviews, it doens´t seem the case.. it seems this time we´ll have more action and adventure (doesn´t mean it will be great, but don´t believe it will be boring as Crimes).

I really think it´s possible they screened the political part on the first screening (Germany) and maybe something more adventurous this time (Brazil)

If any of this is true it sounds like they're still trying to do two things at once instead of just picking one story and overall tone and sticking with it. I'd love for these to be pure adventure movies about catching a/multiple magical creatures but the cutting back and fourth between that and grimdark urban fantasy political drama is part of what bogged down the last movie and to some extent the first one.

July 26, 2021

1 hour ago, Rogerio said:

I really wasn’t expecting FB3 to be so awful as Crimes .. I mean, I tought we would at least have more action/adventura and more Dumbledore/Grindelwald

They've done a few test screenings within the past month and I read somewhere that some reshoots are happening in August. There's a small amount of hope in me that believes that this movie will be an improvement over the previous one, because, maybe unpopular opinion here, I don't want to see this fail utterly.

Warner Brothers needs to bust their ass for this one and spend as much time in that editing room as possible, it aint gonna be amazing but it needs to be better than the last one for sure.

July 26, 2021

3 hours ago, Macleod said:

Still betting that this becomes an HBOMax exclusive to attract subscribership.

It's definitely possible, if the box office isn't fully recovered by next year they may decide to do it. The current release date for this is terrible; sandwiched between movies like Black Panther 2, Indiana Jones 5, and Black Adam, they would be wise to push it further back into 2022.

3 hours ago, Noctis said:

Found out yesterday CoG, under WB's previous chairman, was pressured not to exceed 135 minutes...which is why we had 46+ scenes being cut. That's a shitload of content...obviously many would not have made it but 3+ scenes of Queenie/Grindelwald, Tina/Leta, etc...shame.

All those scenes cut and yet the movie was still messy, the problem ultimately traces back to where it started: the script. There was a lot that ended up in the final product that should've been cut too tbh, to improve the pacing and streamline the plot a bit better.

June 29, 2021

8 hours ago, Menor said:

Just to clarify I meant the summary that Napoleon posted earlier. Not an actual leaked plot. But yeah the summary sounds somewhat like that to me.

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I guess it's possible that "Dumbledore and Newt try to stop Grindelwald from getting elected" is executed a lot more entertainingly than it sounds, but it's just not an enticing hook to me at all.

Yeah, I agree the plot is not all that enticing, seems like a plot more interesting to Rowling than to a general audience. I'm sure there will be some magical fights and small bits of humor but this series is taking itself way too damn seriously.

With a title like "Fantastic Beasts" I would expect things to be a bit more....fantastical? I get this is supposed to be urban fantasy and some political/social commentary is to be expected but they're focusing too much on the urban aspect instead of embracing the fantasy angle more. Any blockbuster needs to have a good balance of seriousness and fun and they've not yet achieved that here.

June 29, 2021

59 minutes ago, Noctis said:

Grindelwald and Dumbledore should have been its own epic. THAT'S the story people are more interested in seeing.

TBH regardless what story they want to tell the writing has to be solid, and thus far it's ranged from okay to bad. Too much going on and a lack of good characterization has put this series thus far at a disadvantage.

June 28, 2021

7 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:

I can’t imagine that WB would be willing to commit to pumping out two more movies after this. This movie needs to be able to serve as a finale.

By all accounts thus far it doesn't seem like this movie is gonna serve as any sort of finale. If the movie severely under preforms they'll either cancel the remaining two or make serious creative changes and steer it in a new direction akin to doing a soft reboot of sorts like Bumblebee or the new Suicide Squad movie.

December 9, 2020

1 hour ago, reddevil19 said:

If the script is good, with Depp gone (not because of any personal issue, but because he was just soooo wrong in the role - he was listless compared to the charming menace of Farrell), there is potential for the rest of the series.

Eh, even if the script is better this time around I'm just not jiving with what story they're trying to tell. Sure there's potential but right now it's buried under a fair amount of baggage. Ideally I would like them to pull a soft-reboot like WB is doing with the next suicide squad movie and just something fun and low stakes for once.

1 hour ago, Chicago said:

JK Rowlings tweets are only controversial to a limited few. It wont effect the Potter Brand in any way.

If she wasn't still involved with the brand then maybe, but she is (for now) and the post-HP content she's been involved with has not been super well received. So whether it's for disagreement regarding her personal beliefs or disappointment with recent Potter content the brand has taken a few hits.

November 9, 2020

6 minutes ago, Macleod said:

"The next Fantastic Beasts entry is described as a three-hander, with Depp, Jude Law and Eddie Redmayne sharing equal screen time."

Haha...no interest, regardless of who replaces Depp. I liked the first movie a lot, but the second was already a mess. This sounds like they're proceeding on the same path.

This franchise is seemingly running the same course as the past few terminator movies; messy and not learning from their mistakes.

And look I like Newton and Redmayne as an actor, but he had fuck all to do in the last movie and got no character development whatsoever. Not the actors fault, but mixing in his character with Dumbledore and Grindelwald never made any sense to me and I know many others feel the same way.

Stuff like this is why the writing advice of "kill your darlings" is still prevalent. You gotta let some things go, no matter how badly you try to hamfist them into a story. If I were Redmayne I'd try to leave this franchise, it's clearly not gonna revolve around him or the beasts as much as it did in the first one. I know contracts can be hard to get out of but man....time to move on to better projects that actually elevate your career.

November 6, 2020

35 minutes ago, dudalb said:

Just put the FB franchise out of it's misery. I was a huge Potter fan, but liked neither of the FB films.

I liked the first movie but I kinda agree with you. There so much negative press surrounding those films and getting rid of Depp is not going to fix much. They would have do a massive 180 overhaul if they want at least one of those movies to be well received.

October 7, 2020

1 hour ago, SLAM! said:

WB cares less about the Rowling controversy and more about the money they could gain from a Potterverse film. They probably want to release this concurrently with Hogwarts Legacy and have them promote each other. They're crossing their fingers and hoping the controversy blows over.

Honestly, at this point Warner Brothers should just buy the HP IP from her so they can do whatever the want without having to deal with her and her issues. The brand is still very popular, but her? not so much anymore.

Her involvement with these FB films has been a detriment to their potential and she's doesn't have much to loose if they don't do well, except maybe her ego. She's pretty much seems like a one-hit wonder to me, anything she's tried to write after the HP story finished has been mediocre at best and flat out bad/slightly offensive at worst. Time to move past her and let some other people take a crack at this world. I'm sure there are plenty of creatives out that can do a better job than her at expanding it.

September 29, 2020

I'm not sure what Redmayne's true intentions were with that statement but it's being heavily perceived as a false equivalency argument. It comes off as a bit tone-deaf because while yes people shouldn't be sending death threats or other heinous things to others online but Rowling has not backed down with her rhetoric and has continuously doubled down on it which many people find harmful. She's rich and not out there in risk of harm like trans people and other minority groups are, so trying to make her out to be a victim right now was not a smart move.

June 13, 2020

5 minutes ago, Napoleon said:

According to Variety, shooting did start before the shutdown:

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/jk-rowling-anti-trans-fantastic-beasts-harry-potter-1234630008/

If this is accurate could WB still be able to cancel the movie?

Shooting was barely just about to start right before everything shut down, so nothing has been filmed at all really. I imagine some pre-production was done but has barely been utilized at all so they could cancel the movie, or return in a year or two and rework the story to move in a different direction.

June 10, 2020

3 minutes ago, Minnale101 said:

nobody cares about this franchise lol

Why do people still use the "nobody cares" argument on the internet, it's meaningless.

June 7, 2020

4 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

How much can Rowling sell full Wizarding World right to Warner for? Don't they already have partial rights?

I think JK sold WB the movie rights way back when, which is how the Harry Potter movies got made. She must still have some creator rights, or maybe just WB's blessing to have involvement in anything HP related.

June 7, 2020

3 hours ago, TheDarkKnightOfSteel said:

In any case, twitter controversy is like throwing a bucket of water to the ocean. Complete useless. Harry Potter fans will flood the cinemas as long as Rowling and WB offer good movies. Respectful to the source material.

Problem is she's been saying crazy stuff consistently for the past few years, it's been building up. Even some of her most loyal fans were calling her out and considering cutting ties to her work.

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I will say though that I agree that some changes need to happen. I feel like the franchise is in danger to feel...boring. They need new voice. Maybe Yates and Kloves should take a break from HP and pursue other things. Obviously WB won't cut ties with Rowling but they need to get new people involved. Also, Cuaron at one point had expressed interest in returning...why choose Yates?

People have been comparing her to George Lucas in a bad way but ironically I think she should take some pointers from him and let other people create stuff about/in her world. Almost all of the Star Wars books, comics, tv shows, and video games were made by various people besides Lucas over the decades with varying success but the involvement of so many different creators helped Star Wars grow into a juggernaut that spans across almost all forms of entertainment. Star Wars started with Lucas but it wont end with him, Rowling needs to let some creative control go and let other people play around in her world, it's starting to get too big for just her alone to handle by herself.

April 23, 2020

8 hours ago, TheDarkKnightOfSteel said:

What killed this is too many subplots and unnecessary characters taking screen time from what the audiences really want to see...Dumbledore and Grindewald fighting. That and the fact that Rowling has went out of her way, to the point that she changes the canon, to fit these subplots to the story. Just get rid of them...

Tbh I'm not sure I really want to see Dumbledore or Grindelwald fighting anymore. I'd rather them take a risk and tell some new stories. We need rejuvenation not nostalgia.

April 7, 2020

1 hour ago, snarkmachine said:

i still think a marauders series would go over well with audiences. there’s a direct link/emotional connection that isn’t there with the fantastic beasts series, and i still think half the appeal of the hp universe is the magical boarding school fantasy

I'm not sure I agree with this. I personally don't find the marauders all that interesting and doing a series on them really would be a true cash grab/nostalgia bait thing and rather uninspired just like doing a Voldemort prequel or founders of Hogwarts story. They can't rely on tying everything back to the OG series, eventually they'll have to branch out and try different things. It seems Star Wars is having that same conundrum right now as well. This franchise may have started at Hogwarts but it doesn't have to end there.

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